The tag alias #57614 flat_belly -> midriff has been rejected.

Reason: They are the same, and going by e621's tags, a belly is inherently not flat

EDIT: The tag alias flat_belly -> midriff (forum #335426) has been rejected by @bitWolfy.

I remember there being a small discussion on the issue related to "flat" bellies, see topic #32134 & topic #32719.
I believe flat_belly or an appropriately named equivalent should be kept for the purpose of differentiating "flat" and "rounded" bellies, just like how there is flat_chested and breasts.

In addition, this alias wouldn't be entirely correct since midriff indirectly implies clothing or having something that obscures parts of the body except for the "belly".
On the other hand, flat_belly can just be any scene involving a completely nude character with a flat "belly".

thegreatwolfgang said:
I remember there being a small discussion on the issue related to "flat" bellies, see topic #32134 & topic #32719.
I believe flat_belly or an appropriately named equivalent should be kept for the purpose of differentiating "flat" and "rounded" bellies, just like how there is flat_chested and breasts.

In addition, this alias wouldn't be entirely correct since midriff indirectly implies clothing or having something that obscures parts of the body except for the "belly".
On the other hand, flat_belly can just be any scene involving a completely nude character with a flat "belly".

That makes sense.

There is another thing about belly tags though, if I can pick your brain about it. The belly color tags (white_belly, red_belly, etc) all imply belly. However, a good number of those posts would fall under flat_belly as there are no color tags for flat bellies, and as you stated before, midriff doesn't always apply. Should belly be un-implicated from the belly color tags? Or is a different course of action better?

curiousoxide said:
That makes sense.

There is another thing about belly tags though, if I can pick your brain about it. The belly color tags (white_belly, red_belly, etc) all imply belly. However, a good number of those posts would fall under flat_belly as there are no color tags for flat bellies, and as you stated before, midriff doesn't always apply. Should belly be un-implicated from the belly color tags? Or is a different course of action better?

Ideally, it should be unimplicated since it's definition isn't strictly followed upon, just like for belly_markings on topic #31748.
However, it will require a complete overhaul and redefinition for belly first, on whether or not it should include flat_belly as an implication or be kept separate.

There's also that "belly" carries the implication of a protruding abdomen. "Stomach" is another word often used to refer to that area with less weighty baggage (cum_on_stomach, etc).

watsit said:
There's also that "belly" carries the implication of a protruding abdomen. "Stomach" is another word often used to refer to that area with less weighty baggage (cum_on_stomach, etc).

Yeah, that's kind of where I was going with midriff. Stomach seems to be more the internal organ though (hence why cum_on_stomach was aliased to cum_on_belly). Midriff is just the abdominal region between the chest and waist. I have no idea why midriff necessitates clothing though. Maybe that can be changed?

curiousoxide said:
Yeah, that's kind of where I was going with midriff. Stomach seems to be more the internal organ though (hence why cum_on_stomach was aliased to cum_on_belly). Midriff is just the abdominal region between the chest and waist. I have no idea why midriff necessitates clothing though. Maybe that can be changed?

has always been used here essentially as shorthand for “exposed midriff” - that is, for cases where a character is wearing clothing that specifically reveals that part of the body. I wouldn’t be opposed to having some tag specifically for the belly/midriff regardless of its size or the character’s clothing… something that can be implied by all the (color)_belly, belly_markings, etc. tags. Maybe plain “belly” should be used for that (as the belly implications have been causing flat bellies to receive the tag for a long time now…) and then we could use a new tag for what “belly” is currently describing. I think it could be useful regardless to have a tag for when a character’s belly area is visible, ignoring everything else about it, like how we tag “butt” regardless of its size or the character’s clothing.

scaliespe said:
I wouldn’t be opposed to having some tag specifically for the belly/midriff regardless of its size or the character’s clothing… something that can be implied by all the (color)_belly, belly_markings, etc. tags. Maybe plain “belly” should be used for that (as the belly implications have been causing flat bellies to receive the tag for a long time now…) and then we could use a new tag for what “belly” is currently describing.

We could use big_belly to refer to what bellyis referring to now. And huge_belly would take over for big_belly. Essentially get the sizes for belly in line with other things (x -> big_x -> huge_x -> hyper_x), instead of it being an odd one out with belly itself meaning the "big" variant.

I might suggest aliasing belly -> abdomen though, since belly has the connotation of being somewhat chubby or overweight, which wouldn't be the case when used by itself. White_belly should be white_abdomen, belly_markings should be abdominal_markings, etc. big_belly and abs would implicate abdomen.

watsit said:
We could use big_belly to refer to what bellyis referring to now. And huge_belly would take over for big_belly. Essentially get the sizes for belly in line with other things (x -> big_x -> huge_x -> hyper_x), instead of it being an odd one out with belly itself meaning the "big" variant.

Works for me.

I might suggest aliasing belly -> abdomen though, since belly has the connotation of being somewhat chubby or overweight, which wouldn't be the case when used by itself. White_belly should be white_abdomen, belly_markings should be abdominal_markings, etc. big_belly and abs would implicate abdomen.

I think belly is probably the more commonplace term, even regardless of size or shape. Tags and common phrases like belly rub, plus all the (color)_belly tags and belly_markings and so on all refer simply to the body part itself.

watsit said:
We could use big_belly to refer to what bellyis referring to now. And huge_belly would take over for big_belly. Essentially get the sizes for belly in line with other things (x -> big_x -> huge_x -> hyper_x), instead of it being an odd one out with belly itself meaning the "big" variant.

I might suggest aliasing belly -> abdomen though, since belly has the connotation of being somewhat chubby or overweight, which wouldn't be the case when used by itself. White_belly should be white_abdomen, belly_markings should be abdominal_markings, etc. big_belly and abs would implicate abdomen.

I completely agree on making "huge belly" valid again, it'll take a while to sort out the "huge" from the hyper and big, but there's clearly a range of size difference between the sizing of overweight/obese, bloated or pregnant character with entirely realistic or believably sized big bellies... much larger, but "manageable" extremely stuffed, very heavily pregnant, inflated or same size vore bellies, where most of the character is still visible, the character appears entirely mobile, and the belly is just within, or just beyond "realism"... and an obvious "hyper belly" where the character's abdomen is their own personal beanbag bed or is a massive sphere the size of a small car and larger.

Changing (colour)_belly to (colour)_abdomen and removing the "belly implication" seems like a good idea to me, it removes the ambiguity and allows a character of any form or figure to be covered

The tag alias flat_belly -> midriff (forum #335426) has been rejected by @bitWolfy.