The tag implication #45143 mario_plus_rabbids_sparks_of_hope -> mario_bros has been rejected.

Reason: Another side-series of the Mario franchise

EDIT: The tag implication mario_plus_rabbids_sparks_of_hope -> mario_bros (forum #338812) has been rejected by @spe.

Next time, use a BUR.

Should these two games have separate tags? Many other series don't, what makes this one worth keeping aside from having some new characters?

If the games should have separate tags, though, then I think there should be a base tag for both Mario+Rabbids games that they would imply, and that base tag imply mario bros instead.

watsit said:
Should these two games have separate tags? Many other series don't, what makes this one worth keeping aside from having some new characters?

I'd argue yes since that game is a crossover, thus isn't just a part of the Mario Bros. franchise but also part of the Rabbids franchise as well.

clawstripe said:
I'd argue yes since that game is a crossover, thus isn't just a part of the Mario Bros. franchise but also part of the Rabbids franchise as well.

I mean separate from the other Mario+Rabbids game. Can't both Mario+Rabbids games go under a single tag?

watsit said:
I mean separate from the other Mario+Rabbids game. Can't both Mario+Rabbids games go under a single tag?

Basically, alias mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle and mario_plus_rabbids_sparks_of_hope to mario_plus_rabbids, which would then implicate both mario_bros and raving_rabbids? I can go with that (as I was not aware that this crossover was now a series). At the very least, it would streamline the tags, especially if future games be added.

clawstripe said:
Basically, alias mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle and mario_plus_rabbids_sparks_of_hope to mario_plus_rabbids, which would then implicate both mario_bros and raving_rabbids?

Yeah.

clawstripe said:
Basically, alias mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle and mario_plus_rabbids_sparks_of_hope to mario_plus_rabbids, which would then implicate both mario_bros and raving_rabbids? I can go with that (as I was not aware that this crossover was now a series). At the very least, it would streamline the tags, especially if future games be added.

I think it depends how distinct the games are from one another. I haven’t played any of them, so I can’t tell, but if you could reasonably tell them apart in two different images on the site, I’d think they should be kept separate.

scaliespe said:

I think it depends how distinct the games are from one another. I haven’t played any of them, so I can’t tell, but if you could reasonably tell them apart in two different images on the site, I’d think they should be kept separate.

I think Sparks of Hope is literally a sequel? Same universe, same (earlier, now) lore, just later on.

furrin_gok said:
I think Sparks of Hope is literally a sequel? Same universe, same (earlier, now) lore, just later on.

That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re not distinct. Skyrim is the sequel to Oblivion, sharing the same world, but the two games are very easily distinguished. They have no major characters in common and take place both in a different era and different parts of the world.

I think I’d want a fan of the series to say whether or not they think they could tell the difference between the games from any of the images tagged on the site.

clawstripe said:
Basically, alias mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle and mario_plus_rabbids_sparks_of_hope to mario_plus_rabbids, which would then implicate both mario_bros and raving_rabbids? I can go with that (as I was not aware that this crossover was now a series). At the very least, it would streamline the tags, especially if future games be added.

do we generally have crossover series' tags imply their parent series' tags? we could have posts related to the crossover that only contain stuff that relates to one of the two parent series, or, potentially, even stuff that's only from the crossover but not from either parent. I know with stuff like super_smash_bros. we don't have it imply everything that makes _it_ up, but maybe that's kind of a special case?

darryus said:
do we generally have crossover series' tags imply their parent series' tags? we could have posts related to the crossover that only contain stuff that relates to one of the two parent series, or, potentially, even stuff that's only from the crossover but not from either parent. I know with stuff like super_smash_bros. we don't have it imply everything that makes _it_ up, but maybe that's kind of a special case?

I don’t know how these are usually handled, but Super Smash Bros would have to imply dozens of different games, each with only a marginal influence on the game itself, as opposed to a 50/50 crossover, so I could see why it would be treated differently.

+1 for a mario_plus_rabbids umbrella tag for all these (or for aliasing them to mario_plus_rabbids, I've never played them and have no idea if they're distinguishable in art)

The tag implication mario_plus_rabbids_sparks_of_hope -> mario_bros (forum #338812) has been rejected by @spe.

wandering_spaniel said:
+1 for a mario_plus_rabbids umbrella tag for all these (or for aliasing them to mario_plus_rabbids, I've never played them and have no idea if they're distinguishable in art)

Yeah, let’s do this.

The bulk update request #9724 is pending approval.

remove alias mario_x_rabbids (0) -> mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316)
remove implication mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316) -> crossover (39844)
remove implication mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316) -> mario_bros (38956)
remove implication mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316) -> raving_rabbids (825)
create implication mario_plus_rabbids_sparks_of_hope (463) -> mario_plus_rabbids (2)
create implication mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316) -> mario_plus_rabbids (2)
create implication mario_plus_rabbids (2) -> mario_bros (38956)
create implication mario_plus_rabbids (2) -> raving_rabbids (825)
create implication mario_plus_rabbids (2) -> crossover (39844)

Reason:

alias mario_x_rabbids -> mario_plus_rabbids

Consulted my partner who really likes these games. He admittedly isn't super familiar with how we do our copyright tagging but I tried to give him a rundown; he says they're as different from each other as breath_of_the_wild is from tears_of_the_kingdom, so sounds like they should indeed have individual entry tags

The bulk update request #9725 is pending approval.

remove implication beep-0 (8) -> mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316)
remove implication phantom_of_the_bwahpera (1) -> mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316)
remove implication rabbid_luigi (19) -> mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316)
remove implication rabbid_mario (16) -> mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316)
remove implication rabbid_peach (247) -> mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316)
remove implication spawny (3) -> mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle (316)

Reason:

imply beep-0 -> mario_plus_rabbids
imply phantom_of_the_bwahpera -> mario_plus_rabbids
imply rabbid_luigi -> mario_plus_rabbids
imply rabbid_mario -> mario_plus_rabbids
imply rabbid_peach -> mario_plus_rabbids
imply spawny -> mario_plus_rabbids

These characters appear in both games and thus should imply the series umbrella tag

can be done simultaneously with the first BUR, can't it?

snpthecat said:
imply mario_plus_rabbids_kingdom_battle -> mario_plus_rabbids can be done simultaneously with the first BUR, can't it?

Fixed, thanks

wandering_spaniel said:
Fixed, thanks

And the second BUR's followup can be fully put into the first's (but not the second)