The bulk update request #2876 is pending approval.

mass update link -> link_(tloz)
mass update princess_zelda -> zelda_(tloz)
remove alias zelda (0) -> princess_zelda (3721)
remove implication link (6541) -> the_legend_of_zelda (27951)
remove implication princess_zelda (3721) -> the_legend_of_zelda (27951)
create implication link_(tloz) (0) -> the_legend_of_zelda (27951)
create implication zelda_(tloz) (0) -> the_legend_of_zelda (27951)

Reason: It makes no sense to alias the common name "Zelda" to any specific Zelda.

Plenty of Zeldas here innit?

Same goes for the Links.

Still pondering what to do with Mario and Luigi.

gattonero2001 said:
alias zelda_(tloz) -> princess_zelda

Why does Link get suffix but not Zelda? Besides, I'm there are (or could be) more than one princess named Zelda.

Not sure whether princess_zelda_(tloz) or zelda_(tloz) is better lore-wise, but I'm leaning towards the second one.

Maybe turn link into disambiguation while at it?

waydence said:
Why does Link get suffix but not Zelda? Besides, I'm there are (or could be) more than one princess named Zelda.

Not sure whether princess_zelda_(tloz) or zelda_(tloz) is better lore-wise, but I'm leaning towards the second one.

https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Princess_Zelda#Skyward_Sword

This incarnation of Zelda is unique in that she is not a princess during the course of the game's events.

Fair enough, changed.

Maybe turn link into disambiguation while at it?

It is not possible to alias a tag with active implications, but feel free to request that after this one is approved.

is link mistagged enough to warrant it not being just aliased to link_(tloz)? (not counting the times where it's another incarnation of the LoZ Link that has its own tag for some reason)

edit: honestly, why do we count toon_link and young_link as separate characters with separate tags, but every other Link is just the same person? is it just because they appeared as characters in Smash?

darryus said:
is link mistagged enough to warrant it not being just aliased to link_(tloz)?

I'd argue that if a name can be aliased directly to a suffixed name, it's not ambiguous enough to need a suffix. If the tag is too ambiguous and risks mistags, aliasing it to a specific character will result in just as many mistags (since all ambiguous uses of link would end up as link_(tloz) even when it meant something else), or if it's not ambiguous and there aren't enough mistags to worry about, there's no need for a suffix. Link should either be disambiguated for being ambiguous, or left alone if it's not ambiguous.

darryus said:
edit: honestly, why do we count toon_link and young_link as separate characters with separate tags, but every other Link is just the same person? is it just because they appeared as characters in Smash?

I imagine because they have distinctive designs. OoT Adult Link, TP Link, Skyward Sword Link, and BotW Link are relatively similar, but Toon Link and Young Link look quite different in comparison.

watsit said:
I imagine because they have distinctive designs. OoT Adult Link, TP Link, Skyward Sword Link, and BotW Link are relatively similar, but Toon Link and Young Link look quite different in comparison.

BotW Link really doesn't look that much like any of the other incarnations, even ignoring the fact that the outfit that he's generally depicted in is a totally diffrent color scheme than any other Link uses (other than WW Link's pajamas) his hair-style and several other major design points are totally diffrent.

darryus said:
BotW Link really doesn't look that much like any of the other incarnations, even ignoring the fact that the outfit that he's generally depicted in is a totally diffrent color scheme than any other Link uses (other than WW Link's pajamas) his hair-style and several other major design points are totally diffrent.

I wouldn't say "totally different". There are some differences, but the difference between SS Link and BotW Link is not as drastic as BotW Link and Young Link, for example.

Eh. I feel like names like Link, Zelda, Mario and Luigi are just so strongly associated with one particular character that disambiguating them is going to cause more trouble than it’s worth. I mean, are these ever really mistagged? Everyone knows who these names primarily refer to.

scaliespe said:
Eh. I feel like names like Link, Zelda, Mario and Luigi are just so strongly associated with one particular character that disambiguating them is going to cause more trouble than it’s worth. I mean, are these ever really mistagged? Everyone knows who these names primarily refer to.

looking at edit history the mistags for link are posts that have toon_link or young_link _{(I kinda feel like link should be a catchall that includes these and all the non-transformed Links, kinda like how classic versions of Sonic imply their main character tag, but whatever)} and occasionally link_(wolf_form) almost exclusively. pretty much everything that had both `link` and `the_legend_of_zelda` removed were either mistaken identity, typos or seemingly totally random. it appears that only two posts ever had the tag corrected to another character tag.

Yeah, I'm really not seeing the need for a suffix here. Particularly in the case of zelda, I feel there is not a single other character named that who was not named after the princess. Consequently there is zero risk of anybody believing that their Zelda character should have primacy over the original.

(Ironically, one Nintendo character who you would have thought would be unambiguous but has been suffering mistags lately is ness, thanks to the character of the same name in Risenpaw's comic. I still don't think that's a strong enough argument for disambiguation either, though.)

darryus said:
looking at edit history the mistags for link are posts that have toon_link or young_link _{(I kinda feel like link should be a catchall that includes these and all the non-transformed Links, kinda like how classic versions of Sonic imply their main character tag, but whatever)} and occasionally link_(wolf_form) almost exclusively. pretty much everything that had both `link` and `the_legend_of_zelda` removed were either mistaken identity, typos or seemingly totally random. it appears that only two posts ever had the tag corrected to another character tag.

A catchall for Link could work, but what term do we use for the primary one? Just Adult Link? (If not that one should be aliased away to whatever we do use, not left sitting empty)
A catchall should not be a lone tag that people mistake for any given one though. Even if Link is only used for the various Legend of Zelda characters by said name, the umbrella should still be meaningfully named to avoid the confusion. any_link_(tloz) for example. I know it's not exactly standard, but it should be made so. Disambiguating the original tag would help users know that there are split tags for them all, whereas a single alias to the umbrella tag might go unnoticed by a fraction of users even with a more obvious one.

furrin_gok said:
A catchall for Link could work, but what term do we use for the primary one? Just Adult Link? (If not that one should be aliased away to whatever we do use, not left sitting empty)
A catchall should not be a lone tag that people mistake for any given one though. Even if Link is only used for the various Legend of Zelda characters by said name, the umbrella should still be meaningfully named to avoid the confusion. any_link_(tloz) for example. I know it's not exactly standard, but it should be made so. Disambiguating the original tag would help users know that there are split tags for them all, whereas a single alias to the umbrella tag might go unnoticed by a fraction of users even with a more obvious one.

That is also a bad reason to disambiguate the primary tag. There are enough design traits in common between various versions of Link that most artists unfamiliar with the franchise could and probably have drawn a "generic Link character" not tied to any specific game, and not all the Links differ enough to be tagged separately under TWYS, particularly when allowing for off-model styles and fewer clothes than typically found in official depictions.

I do think we should generally have a base tag for any character with multiple forms, having all the forms imply that base tag. Like, there’s been so much confusion over people tagging asriel_dreemurr_(god_form) as regular asriel_dreemurr when they’re not supposed to that I think it would be better to have it just imply asriel_dreemurr instead, and establish an asriel_dreemurr_(normal_form) tag that also implies it so that people have an easier way of searching for the character regardless of form. To that end, I think having all the different links imply link would be the best course of action.

wat8548 said:
Yeah, I'm really not seeing the need for a suffix here. Particularly in the case of zelda, I feel there is not a single other character named that who was not named after the princess. Consequently there is zero risk of anybody believing that their Zelda character should have primacy over the original.

I'm reversing my vote after discovering the zelda_(character) tag, which (until just now) had 4 posts in it, 3 of which were nothing to do with TLOZ.