Topic: [APPROVED] Tonight's Random Aliases

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Clawstripe

Janitor

The bulk update request #3522 is active.

create alias deerwolf_hybrid (0) -> hybrid (146017)
create alias boypussy (0) -> invalid_tag (2)
create alias bussy (0) -> invalid_tag (2)

Reason: A couple of irrelephant tags I ran across tonight. One is another hybrid to be aliased away, and the other can be better served by andromorph or some variation of trans_(lore).

Edit: 11/16/2021 ~ Invalidated bussy as furrypickle requested below.

EDIT: The bulk update request #3522 (forum #349415) has been approved by @gattonero2001.

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faucet

Member

boypussy (also the contracted form bussy with multiple usages) commonly refers to the anus too - should just be invalidated to prevent mistagging.

Clawstripe

Janitor

faucet said:
boypussy (also the contracted form bussy with multiple usages) commonly refers to the anus too - should just be invalidated to prevent mistagging.

Done, unless I should have moved it to the invalid category instead. Or just alias it to andromorph?

furrypickle

Admin

clawstripe said:
Done, unless I should have moved it to the invalid category instead. Or just alias it to andromorph?

Invalid is better (either method will work). boypussy/boipussy/bussy is commonly used with all types of gender play combinations, from girly male anuses... to gay male anuses... to andromorphs. Because it's not always an anus, not always a pussy, not always trans, not always male presenting or female presenting... That means it's used in too many different contexts to safely send it anywhere else.

Should probably invalidate bussy to the same place. So alias to each other and then invalid category... or just both to invalid_tag. Honestly, between the fact that 1 it's used so rarely, plus the fact that 2 if there's a pussy or an anus visible then it will probably end up tagged regardless without needing the extra help/hints to find it. So I think that just sending both boypussy and bussy to -> invalid_tag would probably work fine in this case. So that's probably which way I would lean.

faucet

Member

furrypickle said:
Invalid is better (either method will work). boypussy/boipussy/bussy is commonly used with all types of gender play combinations, from girly male anuses... to gay male anuses... to andromorphs. Because it's not always an anus, not always a pussy, not always trans, not always male presenting or female presenting... That means it's used in too many different contexts to safely send it anywhere else.

Definitely agree, the tag is too unpredictably used to determine any useful target.

furrypickle said:
Should probably invalidate bussy to the same place. So alias to each other and then invalid category... or just both to invalid_tag. Honestly, between the fact that 1 it's used so rarely, plus the fact that 2 if there's a pussy or an anus visible then it will probably end up tagged regardless without needing the extra help/hints to find it. So I think that just sending both boypussy and bussy to -> invalid_tag would probably work fine in this case. So that's probably which way I would lean.

I always prefer the category because it's more ideal to see what people are actually tagging. I'm perfectly comfortable sending repeat offenders a polite DMail telling them to quit mistagging and explain why, but I'm not going to message somebody saying "please stop adding invalid_tag to posts - please check this list of 441 invalid tags and make sure you're not using any of them"

I even see priv+ users and staff adding invalid_tag all the time.

DubsTheFox

Janitor

faucet said:
I even see priv+ users and staff adding invalid_tag all the time.

I think that happens if janitors and mods move tags from replaced posts. For privileged users I can imagine that it happens, if they add tags that are invalidated later.

animperfectpatsy

Member

dubsthefox said:
I think that happens if janitors and mods move tags from replaced posts. For privileged users I can imagine that it happens, if they add tags that are invalidated later.

And typos alwyas happen.

Clawstripe

Janitor

The bulk update request #3564 has been rejected.

create alias male_anthro (16371) -> male (2281980)
create alias female_anthro (27863) -> female (2357993)
create alias maleherm_anthro (60) -> maleherm (3913)
create alias herm_anthro (30) -> herm (24933)
create alias intersex_anthro (1074) -> intersex (222808)
create alias andromorph_anthro (321) -> andromorph (20084)
create alias gynomorph_anthro (651) -> gynomorph (174203)
create alias ambiguous_anthro (439) -> ambiguous_gender (282896)

Reason: Aliasing away gendered forms just as we've aliased away other gendered things? :\ I don't remember if this has been brought up before or if this would even be a good idea, but it's here so it can be run up the flagpole and saluted – with overripe tomatoes if desired.

Addendum: Forgot ambiguous_anthro.

EDIT: The bulk update request #3564 (forum #350055) has been rejected by @Clawstripe.

Addendum ~ Rejected this request after running across topic #29463 in which gendered form tags are discussed and generally thought well of. See below for details.

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wat8548

Member
A brief history of the male_anthro tag

Before 14th August 2020, it appears to have universally been considered invalid. There were only three attempts to add it, all by different users, and all swiftly reverted.

On that date, the user BigBlackWolf started adding the tag en masse to posts. The initial salvo only consisted of 9 posts over 3 days, but apparently this was enough to start convincing other users that it was a now a valid tag.

First out of the gate was technically pc-king, who added the tag to post #2289757 after a four day gap. It was almost immediately self-reverted, perhaps after noticing the suspiciously low post count. The first uses to stick were by Svance, who added the tag to three posts on the 25th, four more days later. The only other time Svance would use the tag would be three more posts on 5th August of the following year.

Probably the biggest early role in popularising the tag was played by RandomAnon, who was next to use the tag on 11th September. In total RandomAnon would use the tag 50 times, not much compared to other users, and all but one were during September and October 2020. But by the time BigBlackWolf returned to the tag they had created on 14th October, it had 52 posts (including one early interjection by ajk), and then the floodgates well and truly opened.

Other users began joining in with adding the tag, but they were nothing compared to BigBlackWolf themself, who dominates the logs for the next year. In total BBW added the tag 511 times, third place of all time, and it wasn't until September 2021 that the first serious challenger emerged.

The first time I'llKogYourMaw used the tag was in February 2021, followed by a six month gap. Then, from 5th September of that year, around the time BBW was starting to slow down, they suddenly started adding the tag on a massive scale. In total I'llKogYourMaw used the tag 1,185 times over the next two years, more than double BBW's total and easily topping the ranks of responsibility for this problem.

I'llKogYourMaw themself eased off on adding the tag after about a year of frantic activity, with only one use since 27th September 2022. Just one day later, BigBlackWolf would use the tag for the last time. I can't help but wonder if the following message, written on 30th September, might have had something to do with that:

Stop adding inappropriate and nonexistent tags to posts.
https://e621.net/post_versions?lr=93537&search%5Bupdater_id%5D=93537
Stop it.

https://e621.net/post_versions?search%5Bpost_id%5D=3512311

If you click the second link, you can see that male_anthro was indeed one of the tags added in the offending edit.

The current king of the tag is Introperverted, who started adding it in July 2022 and is still actively doing so. At the time of writing, they have just beaten BigBlackWolf to second place at 523 uses.

Other notable tag adders include Kemonophonic (223 uses), who was the first user to make large numbers of edits consisting only of adding male_anthro to a post. Their first such edit was on 21st July 2022. Just four days later, Jack Buizel (352 uses) started copying them. The only other users I could find who have added it more than 75 times are Dogenzaka with 167 (started April 2022) and Gijinka Knight with 126 (an early adopter, started August 2021). In total, the top 7 users account for 3,087 of the 3,605 entries in the changelog.

Interestingly, assuming the non-paginated version of the tag change log can be trusted, there appears to be a near-universal overlap in users responsible for adding male_anthro and female_anthro. The earliest page I could find suggests that it was indeed BigBlackWolf who was first to (permanently) use female_anthro, again in August 2020. This time RandomAnon only contributed 2 posts, but I did notice this intriguing early edit comment from Furrin Gok:

The lack of posts under body types may suggest they're unused, but they aren't aliased away so let's use what's relevant.

Both BigBlackWolf themself and other users appear to have been much slower to populate this one. BBW only used the tag 39 times in total. I'llKogYourMaw's first contribution in October 2021 appears on the same history page as BBW's first over a year earlier, and they only used it 40 times. The only other name to feature heavily around this time is Strikerman, who again stopped after 26 (last use January 2022).

It isn't until April 2022 that tag activity starts to pick up, almost entirely due to Dogenzaka, who has used it 651 times so far. One month later, Gijinka Knight joined in, this time turning in 830 (and counting) edits. Between them, with occasional help from others, these two users added the tag to hundreds of posts over the next three months. Then, in July 2022, the real reason this tag has a five-digit post count becomes apparent.

Remember how I mentioned Kemonophonic made a lot of edits adding male_anthro to posts with no other changes? Well, for female_anthro, multiply that by 100. The list of uses of this tag by Kemonophonic alone caps out at the max 133 pages. Unfortunately, there is no way to filter out a user from a tag's change history, so the rest of the archive is almost completely unusable.

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Clawstripe

Janitor

I can sort of see these gendered anthro tags as arguably being useful when a picture shows a group of characters which mixes anthros with one of the other form tags, but not on the majority of pictures here where you can get the exact same results by searching for anthro+gender tag. The other six gendered anthro tags are so woefully undertagged they're practically useless. If we could limit gendered anthro tags to mixed-form group pictures, yes, they'd be most useful, but when they get applied to all the ad nauseum other pictures, then their usefulness plummets due to all the excess signal noise caused by unnecessary tagging. You know as well as I do that users will not limit gendered anthro tags (and any gendered form tag) to just mixed-form groups, even with a wiki page flashing in their face with 50 point font in bold.

Clawstripe

Janitor

The bulk update request #3586 is active.

create alias usaf (0) -> united_states_air_force (16)
create alias usmc (0) -> united_states_marine_corps (24)

Reason: Aliasing away an acronym to the full name of the military branch.

EDIT: Added two aliases for the US Marine Corps as well.

EDIT: Removed the alias of marine_corps to united_states_marine_corps. It would be better to retag with which marine corps it is as the US isn't the only country with a marine corps.

EDIT: The bulk update request #3586 (forum #350448) has been approved by @gattonero2001.

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DubsTheFox

Janitor

The bulk update request #3589 is active.

create alias adoptableauction (0) -> adoptable (0)
create alias adoptableopen (0) -> adoptable (0)
create alias auctionadoptable (0) -> adoptable (0)
create alias catshepherd (0) -> felid (633594)
create alias catsona (1) -> felid (633594)
create alias furryadoptable (0) -> adoptable (0)
create alias fursonaadoptable (0) -> adoptable (0)

Reason: Here are some random invalid tags I found today.

EDIT: The bulk update request #3589 (forum #350475) has been approved by @slyroon.

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Watsit

Privileged

clawstripe said:
I just realized these might be better off aliasing to adoptable rather than anthro.

I don't think adoptable should be a valid tag. e6 isn't a site to look for adoptables, YCHs, commissions, etc, it's no longer adoptable once someone buys it, and they generally look no different than a regular model sheet (if not just a simple portrait). It would be better to alias them to invalid_tag since they can be anthro, feral, humanoid, human, or all of the above.

DubsTheFox

Janitor

watsit said:
I don't think adoptable should be a valid tag.

It's in the invalid category. I don't think we actually need to keep the tag, because I have no clue with which other tag we are supposed to replace it, but it is there, and it condenses the other tags into one.

edid: Should we just alias adoptable to invalid_tag?

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TheGreatWolfgang

Privileged

clawstripe said:
create alias ❤️ (2) -> <3 (236674)

Could have sworn those two tags were already aliased together, but it seems to be a different heart emoji instead (i.e., ♥️).

Edit: Looks like it was ♥ that got aliased instead of ♥️. Do the emojis appear the same to you?

I would suggest to alias it directly to heart_(disambiguation) though since it can either indicate a standalone floating heart symbol or a heart marking. Besides, we are also phasing out the use of <3.

Clawstripe

Janitor

cutefox123 said:
How do you even find these tags...? like in theory, there could be hundreds of these tags that no one knows about.

The same way any of us do, by stumbling upon them as I look through the posts. Of course, since I'm a Janitor now, that's a lot more posts of a more diverse range of subjects for me to look through.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Could have sworn those two tags were already aliased together, but it seems to be a different heart emoji instead (i.e., ♥️).

Edit: Looks like it was ♥ that got aliased instead of ♥️. Do the emojis appear the same to you?

They don't. ♥ is black (or white) and is the result of pressing ALT 3. ♥️ is larger, red, and with a thin black outline and appears to be an emoji instead. I'm on a desktop using Firefox, so this may be a mobile thing. I don't know.

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TheGreatWolfgang

Privileged

clawstripe said:
They don't. ♥ is black and is the result of pressing ALT 3. ♥️ is larger, red, and with a thin black outline and appears to be an emoji instead. I'm on a desktop using Firefox, so this may be a mobile thing. I don't know.

They look exactly the same for me on Safari mobile.

Clawstripe

Janitor

The bulk update request #3630 is active.

create alias interrogation_point (0) -> question_mark (30994)

Reason: Aliasing synonyms together. An interrogation point is another name for the eroteme, which, of course, is the question mark. If someone actually does tag "eroteme" sometime instead of question mark, I will probably end up with a headache.

EDIT: The bulk update request #3630 (forum #351152) has been approved by @gattonero2001.

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m3g4p0n1

Member

The bulk update request #3680 is active.

create alias diaper_pack (9) -> diaper_package (143)
create alias diaper_packs (0) -> diaper_package (143)
create alias star_diaper (5) -> starry_diaper (172)
create alias cum_in_diapers (0) -> cum_in_diaper (406)

Reason: Standardization
aliasing star_diaper -> starry_diaper following other uses of starry_*. For a star-shaped diaper, a star_shaped_diaper tag can be created.
aliasing cum_in_diapers -> cum_in_diaper because there is only cum_in_underwear, no cum_in_underwears

EDIT: The bulk update request #3680 (forum #351864) has been approved by @slyroon.

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m3g4p0n1

Member

The bulk update request #3693 is active.

create alias feralanimal (0) -> feral (575159)
create alias feralcreature (0) -> feral (575159)
create alias feralmammal (0) -> mammal (3130502)
create alias furrycreature (0) -> furry (1)

Reason: Aliasing the tags to unknown_species because the uploader or tagger using such tags might have a different idea of the meaning of "feral", as in, "ferocious creature", not necessarily what we consider feral.
Aliasing creatureoc to unknown_species to match the alias #4145 (creature -> uknown_species)

Edit: In light of the replies following this forum post, the edits made were:

  • Replaced aliases from unkown_species to better related tags instead.
  • removed creatureoc, which is better to be included in forum topic #31635

EDIT: The bulk update request #3693 (forum #351998) has been approved by @slyroon.

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Watsit

Privileged

m3g4p0n1 said:
Reason: --Aliasing the tags to unknown_species because the uploader or tagger using such tags might have a different idea of the meaning of "feral", as in, "ferocious creature", not necessarily what we consider feral.
Aliasing creatureoc to unknown_species to match the alias #4145 (creature -> uknown_species)

I don't think unknown_species is a good thing to alias those to. Someone tagging feralanimal or furrycreature doesn't necessarily mean it's an unknown animal or an otherwise untagged species. feralanimal and feralcreature would be better to alias to feral, feralmammal can be aliased to either feral or mammal, and furrycreature can be aliased to furry (which is invalid). Sure, some people may tag feralanimal and feralcreature when they mean "ferocious animal/creature", but that already happens with feral itself. And looking at the history of those two tags, they were each only tagged twice, where feral would apply.

And with creatureoc, it might be better to alias that to original_character once that other BUR is handled.

m3g4p0n1

Member

watsit said:
I don't think unknown_species is a good thing to alias those to. Someone tagging feralanimal or furrycreature doesn't necessarily mean it's an unknown animal or an otherwise untagged species. feralanimal and feralcreature would be better to alias to feral, feralmammal can be aliased to either feral or mammal, and furrycreature can be aliased to furry (which is invalid). Sure, some people may tag feralanimal and feralcreature when they mean "ferocious animal/creature", but that already happens with feral itself. And looking at the history of those two tags, they were each only tagged twice, where feral would apply.

And with creatureoc, it might be better to alias that to original_character once that other BUR is handled.

I thought about that, but I judged that someone using this kind of tag may not, presumably, care about tagging their content properly. Therefore, in this particular instance aliases to feral or mammal would work, but it's also possible they would use feralmammal for a ferocious looking falcon bird or alligator. They may or may not, but who knows?

So I judged that instead of having to worry about these possible mistags happening in the future, it would be easier to redirect all of these to unknown_species, so whenever someone is fixing tags, they have less tags to check for on the picture.
And it's better than invalid_tag I believe, since on those you would still have to spend a while trying to figure out what tag the uploader meant.

As for creatureoc, yeah, I guess it's better to edit that. Should I edit now or after the BUR?

Watsit

Privileged

m3g4p0n1 said:
I thought about that, but I judged that someone using this kind of tag may not, presumably, care about tagging their content properly. Therefore, in this particular instance aliases to feral or mammal would work, but it's also possible they would use feralmammal for a ferocious looking falcon bird or alligator. They may or may not, but who knows?

If someone continually tags that badly, that they tag feralmammal when it's neither feral or mammal, they can get a talking to. These tags are already invalid, so it's still an improvement if they can be aliased to a valid tag that may occasionally be wrong. I just think targeting feral, at least for feralanimal and feralcreature, will have fewer mistags than unknown_species. For feralmammal, it's probably safe to assume it will likely be a mammal at least as much as feral, so either can work.

m3g4p0n1 said:
So I judged that instead of having to worry about these possible mistags happening in the future, it would be easier to redirect all of these to unknown_species, so whenever someone is fixing tags, they have less tags to check for on the picture.

Unknown_species would still be a mistag in the case of the species being tagged alongside those tags. And I wager aliasing to unknown_species would cause more mistags than feral.

m3g4p0n1

Member

watsit said:
Unknown_species would still be a mistag in the case of the species being tagged alongside those tags. And I wager aliasing to unknown_species would cause more mistags than feral.

Hm.. on second thought, depending on the artsyle, indentifying species is just as hard as indentifying invalid_tags. And it's fairly obvious when a feral is mistagged.

The BUR #3693 has been changed, thank you for your input 'w'

Clawstripe

Janitor

I rejected bulk update request #3564 above, the one that would have aliased away those gendered anthro tags. I'd forgotten about this topic in which gendered form tags (like gendered anthro) were proposed to general approval. Besides, I feel that sort of BUR doesn't really fit with the intent of this thread.

wat8548

Member

clawstripe said:
What are the references to "nin" in these posts? Should the tag be removed?

All of them were tagged nintendo at the same time, which probably has something to do with it. This sort of thing happens with 1-3 letter tags a lot.

Clawstripe

Janitor

wat8548 said:
All of them were tagged nintendo at the same time, which probably has something to do with it. This sort of thing happens with 1-3 letter tags a lot.

Hm. I do see the point. :/ Still, worth a try, to find out if it would work or not.

Clawstripe

Janitor

The bulk update request #4049 is active.

create alias corn_chip (0) -> corn_chips (6)
create alias potato_chip (0) -> potato_chips (376)
create alias tortilla_chip (0) -> tortilla_chips (5)

Reason: Contrary to our usual policy for non-anatomical plurals, aliasing these singulars for different types of chips to their plurals. Opinions: should chips_(food) be depluralized instead?

EDIT: The bulk update request #4049 (forum #356495) has been approved by @furrypickle.

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m3g4p0n1

Member

The bulk update request #4050 is active.

create alias looking_nervous (0) -> nervous (17564)
create alias looking_nervious (0) -> nervous (17564)

Reason: Redundant tag and its likely typo that rarely but ocassionally appears.

4 removals for looking_nervous
21 removals for looking_nervious (18 removed by me)

Now you could argue they actually meant nervious as per urban dictionary definition, but there isn't a nervious tag at the moment as far as I can see, and I don't think the posts that had this tag were tagged with this intent.

EDIT: The bulk update request #4050 (forum #356543) has been approved by @gattonero2001.

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