I uploaded a file, got the artist right, but missed that they were conditional_dnp. The upload form could have warned me.
Topic: [Feature] Display warning when artist is DNP on the upload page
Posted under Site Bug Reports & Feature Requests
gemnispecies said:
I uploaded a file, got the artist right, but missed that they were conditional_dnp. The upload form could have warned me.
as much as it would be a convenience for you, it would be an inconvenience to DNP artists who upload their own artwork.
siral_exan said:
as much as it would be a convenience for you, it would be an inconvenience to DNP artists who upload their own artwork.
Not really, not if it’s just a small warning.
No window popup.
Not systematically stopped from posting like when the file format is wrong or the rating s/q/e wasn’t inputted.
Just an orange bar around the artist tab that says "artist is DNP" and doesn’t do anything else.
I think it would be fine for everyone?
dimoretpinel said:
I think it would be fine for everyone?
Last few times this was proposed, the argument against it had been that malicious uploaders would simply remove the artist's name entirely if they were informed that it was on the DNP list.
The re621 userscript has this feature and many other cool ones, you might find it useful.
cinder said:
Last few times this was proposed, the argument against it had been that malicious uploaders would simply remove the artist's name entirely if they were informed that it was on the DNP list.
I thought it was impossible to post without an artist tag? Plus, if they use unknown artist or even anonymous artist, someone is going to find the original artist anyway.
gattonero2001 said:
The re621 userscript has this feature and many other cool ones, you might find it useful.
I was unaware of this. Thank you!
In theory you're only supposed to be uploading artwork with the artist's permission, so there shouldn't be any surprises like this.
faucet said:
In theory you're only supposed to be uploading artwork with the artist's permission, so there shouldn't be any surprises like this.
Imma be real with you, I haven’t asked Nintendo for permission to post the pikmin comic strips in here.
gemnispecies said:
I uploaded a file, got the artist right, but missed that they were conditional_dnp. The upload form could have warned me.
> Posters getting away with it when they tag paddington_bear on a NSFW post.
faucet said:
In theory you're only supposed to be uploading artwork with the artist's permission, so there shouldn't be any surprises like this.
What if the artist gave you permission, but theyre conditional DNP or worse Avoid Posting since they've been ultra banned from e6? This happened to 1 artist, so checking the avoid posting list is still important. I always do it for large artists or for artists who have a low volume of posts.
wolfmanfur said:
[…] worse Avoid Posting since they've been ultra banned from e6?
Artists can get banned from e6?? How does that happen? Why? What happened? I’m interested in the details now.
dimoretpinel said:
I thought it was impossible to post without an artist tag? Plus, if they use unknown artist or even anonymous artist, someone is going to find the original artist anyway.
It's definitely possible to post without an artist tag.
Depending on who the artist is, there's no guarantee anyone who sees the image will recognize who made the piece, or bother fixing the tags even if they do.
arttags:0 - 303 pages of results without an artist tag
unknown_artist - 676 pages
anonymous_artist - 85 pages
Anonymous artist will also face the hurdle of people being unwilling to change it even if they recognize it, since an artist that wants to be anonymous for an image should be anonymous, and people have gotten in trouble for de-anonymizing artists for posts tagged as such. I'm sure there's lenience if you know an artist is DNP and/or there's a public source tying the image to them, but that's extra work people may not be willing to do.
wolfmanfur said:
What if the artist gave you permission, but theyre conditional DNP or worse Avoid Posting since they've been ultra banned from e6? This happened to 1 artist, so checking the avoid posting list is still important. I always do it for large artists or for artists who have a low volume of posts.
AFAIK, DNP/CDNP conditions can be fully bypassed if you have the artist's permission to do so and presented them in the post's description as proof.
Of course, this is provided that the artist had initially requested to be placed on the DNP/CDNP list themselves and not because they are "ultra banned from e6".
If the artist is banned from e621 and you post their artwork, you are essentially Circumventing Site Restrictions or Suspensions.
dimoretpinel said:
Artists can get banned from e6?? How does that happen? Why? What happened? I’m interested in the details now.
Imagine hypothetically, an artist repeatedly gets everything taken down, then restored, then... Or has personal problems with the site's members and staff. Or it turns out all their art was violating a rule (say, underage artist). It's actually very very possible with millions of posts, that sometimes an artist has to be banned.
thegreatwolfgang said:
If the artist is banned from e621 and you post their artwork, you are essentially Circumventing Site Restrictions or Suspensions.
That seems weird, and easy to accidentally get caught by. I guess if you consider fans a proxy, and it was the art that was a huge part of it, that makes sense, though. Namely, stuff like Vladamirr's commissions and the drama that ensued? I could see an artist putting comments about e621 members in their art, and effectively making posting of their work bypassing a ban based on harassing comments. In which case, it should be pretty obvious when you upload that you knew precisely what you were doing when jumping down that pit. :facepalm:
I kind of hate to bring up specific names because then certain kinds of people will then go and harass said user on other platforms, or otherwise go haywire here in the forums over stuff that happened a decade ago. :(
thegreatwolfgang said:
AFAIK, DNP/CDNP conditions can be fully bypassed if you have the artist's permission to do so and presented them in the post's description as proof.
Of course, this is provided that the artist had initially requested to be placed on the DNP/CDNP list themselves and not because they are "ultra banned from e6".If the artist is banned from e621 and you post their artwork, you are essentially Circumventing Site Restrictions or Suspensions.
We asked internally when a certain artist was banned and someone sprung up after being hired by them, and the end result was that being allowed. By extension, any random uploading their art would be most definitely allowed, presuming they have permission. The actual rule breaking comes in if the artist themselves is using the account, using another person as a proxy gets around that.
donovan_dmc said:
The actual rule breaking comes in if the artist themselves is using the account, using another person as a proxy gets around that.
Doesn't that violate the "Do not have others act on your behalf while currently under a suspension or a ban." clause?
thegreatwolfgang said:
Doesn't that violate the "Do not have others act on your behalf while currently under a suspension or a ban." clause?
Would that depend on if you did it of your own free will, and not because artist asked you to? Yeah, that sounds pretty shady if not your own idea. Intent matters I guess.
thegreatwolfgang said:
Doesn't that violate the "Do not have others act on your behalf while currently under a suspension or a ban." clause?
You'd think so, but apparently not. This user serves as proof it isn't, since they explicitly told us they were hired to do uploads, and we were denied from banning them.
donovan_dmc said:
You'd think so, but apparently not. This user serves as proof it isn't, since they explicitly told us they were hired to do uploads, and we were denied from banning them.
That rule exists to prevent banned users from playing the game of broken telephone, trying to communicate with us through their friends.
The proper way to contact the site administration after being banned is via the email, all other methods are discouraged.
If there is a reason for us to get rid of someone's work entirely, we can enforce that.
But in that case, it wasn't the artwork itself that was the problem, it was the artist's terrible attitude and endless arguments in the comments.