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zombieastronaut said:
I highly doubt a user that search cubs there wants to see human lolis/shotas or teens but from now on they have to.
Just blacklist the tags you do not want to see.
zombieastronaut said:
Since there is no way to search for cubs and cubs only safe for blacklisting/excluding all tags related to humans and teens.
aaronfranke said:
young -human
young_human exists for exactly this purpose, same with young_humanoid. In my blacklist, I use this in order to get a similar effect to the old cub tag:
kyureki said:
young_human exists for exactly this purpose, same with young_humanoid. In my blacklist, I use this in order to get a similar effect to the old cub tag:
cub wasn't only for -rating:s posts.
I'm going to be honest, cub wasn't ever used properly, it really always was just the young tag but less tagged. I went through and manually retagged 8000 posts from set:cub_apocalypse, there was absolutely no consistency for what it got used on; humans and humanoids were tagged with it pretty much just as often as anthros and ferals.
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dba_afish said:
cub wasn't only for -rating:s posts.I'm going to be honest, cub wasn't ever used properly, it really always was just the young tag but less tagged. I went through and manually retagged 8000 posts from set:cub_apocalypse, there was absolutely no consistency for what it got used on; humans and humanoids were tagged with it pretty much just as often as anthros and ferals.
Agreed that there was never a solid definition, hence why I am glad it's gone. I am much happier with the young_* tags, as it allows me to better tune my blacklist (as described above) how I'd like.
dba_afish said:
I went through and manually retagged 8000 posts from set:cub_apocalypse, there was absolutely no consistency for what it got used on; humans and humanoids were tagged with it pretty much just as often as anthros and ferals.
This isn't true, to the point of taking up a really bad faith position. The last batch of the set that you dealt with was the worst of it, which can give a false impression.
set:cub_apocalypse limit:250 young_anthro - almost 123K
set:cub_apocalypse young_feral - almost 20K
set:cub_apocalypse young_human -young_anthro -young_feral - ~350
set:cub_apocalypse young_humanoid -young_anthro -young_feral - ~1700
Like I said when the changeover was proposed, before anything was actually done, cub was actually tagged way more consistently than most of our other huge tags. And now the numbers back that up conclusively. The mistag rate was less than 2%, which is really good for such a supposedly awful tag. Big "told you so" moment for me.
Once again, the main problem with the cub tag was a loss of critical thinking when people saw it. Huge negative connotation and inability to reconcile that 3-4' characters look like children. I'm not sure if that's lessened with the changeover or if it's same shit, different pile. And, as it's turned out, many people tagging and searching cub only wanted it on "definitely children," maybe subconsciously capping the age limit to 15 years instead of all non-adult furry characters, which does actually reinforce consistent tagging, just not to the standard that the website requires. Furthermore, by now I've seen many, many people admit that they have no idea how to tag age ranges, so it comes as no surprise that adolescent/teenager is a hot mess of lore tagging and that cub taggers avoided that full age group.
People are still tagging and searching cub and whining in the comments when they get young humans and humanoids instead, specifically saying they searched "cub" or that the post "isn't cub," even though the tag has been dead for months.
abadbird said:
This isn't true, to the point of taking up a really bad faith position. The last batch of the set that you dealt with was the worst of it, which can give a false impression.set:cub_apocalypse limit:250 young_anthro - almost 123K
set:cub_apocalypse young_feral - almost 20K
set:cub_apocalypse young_human -young_anthro -young_feral - ~350
set:cub_apocalypse young_humanoid -young_anthro -young_feral - ~1700
sorry, what I meant to say was that the ratio of each young form within cub was roughly similar to the amount in young itself. the overall ratio of young anthro, feral, humanoid, human is roughly 48:8:4:3. while the ratio of the same within cub was 48:8:1:1.
so, I guess I am still pretty wrong here, humans and humanoids made up about 3.5% of cub vs 9% of young. I'm not sure if this was just my perception or maybe there was a higher than average amount of human and humanoid posts in the 8000 that needed to be manually handled.
dba_afish said:
I'm not sure if this was just my perception or maybe there was a higher than average amount of human and humanoid posts in the 8000 that needed to be manually handled.
The amount of human(oids) in what was leftover would have been a large concentration considering I did the bulk of the scripting and I only did anthro & feral since that was the safest to automate
Whatever was leftover would have either been ambiguously tagged, or human(oid)
I don't know how to search for what I want anymore. Young is such a broad ranging term, it makes finding what I want practically impossible. Not even specifically talking about cub, but all the different terms being consolidated into young makes it impossible to differentiate characters that are smaller and younger than others. If you want to look for art of characters in their teens specifically that's impossible now. If you want to find characters that appear younger than that specifically that's impossible now. I understand there's a level of subjectivity but that should come to defining the terms for the site, not consolidating a bunch of different terms together. Just earlier I searched "cub" and got a picture of a father/son pairing where the son was tall and had muscle tone, but because he's not an adult he showed up in that tag when that's not what I was looking for. And I can't even easily separate it out! Its trading subjective vagueness for overly broadness.
At the very least tell me how I can find characters that look more like something Dagasi would make rather than something...older looking?
meowpurryiff said:
I don't know how to search for what I want anymore. Young is such a broad ranging term, it makes finding what I want practically impossible. Not even specifically talking about cub, but all the different terms being consolidated into young makes it impossible to differentiate characters that are smaller and younger than others. If you want to look for art of characters in their teens specifically that's impossible now. If you want to find characters that appear younger than that specifically that's impossible now. I understand there's a level of subjectivity but that should come to defining the terms for the site, not consolidating a bunch of different terms together. Just earlier I searched "cub" and got a picture of a father/son pairing where the son was tall and had muscle tone, but because he's not an adult he showed up in that tag when that's not what I was looking for. And I can't even easily separate it out! Its trading subjective vagueness for overly broadness.At the very least tell me how I can find characters that look more like something Dagasi would make rather than something...older looking?
meowpurryiff said:
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We only merged cub into young. We didn't touch anything else. Cub had no age range, it only ever appeared as such because it was widely mistaken. A search for ~young_anthro ~young_feral should approximate how the cub tag should have been.
wow okay that's exactly what I was looking for
donovan_dmc said:
We only merged cub into young. We didn't touch anything else. Cub had no age range, it only ever appeared as such because it was widely mistaken. A search for ~young_anthro ~young_feral should approximate how the cub tag should have been.
Thank you for correcting me! I thought several things were merged into young (loli, shota, cub, kemoshota, and teen). I can see that I was mistaken, and I also see that there are tags to help get what I'm looking for. I apologize. Thank you!
meowpurryiff said:
I don't know how to search for what I want anymore. Young is such a broad ranging term, it makes finding what I want practically impossible. Not even specifically talking about cub, but all the different terms being consolidated into young makes it impossible to differentiate characters that are smaller and younger than others. If you want to look for art of characters in their teens specifically that's impossible now. If you want to find characters that appear younger than that specifically that's impossible now. I understand there's a level of subjectivity but that should come to defining the terms for the site, not consolidating a bunch of different terms together. Just earlier I searched "cub" and got a picture of a father/son pairing where the son was tall and had muscle tone, but because he's not an adult he showed up in that tag when that's not what I was looking for. And I can't even easily separate it out! Its trading subjective vagueness for overly broadness.At the very least tell me how I can find characters that look more like something Dagasi would make rather than something...older looking?
In addition to what the others said, you might want to take a look at the young wiki page. It contains helpful sections listing out both the different age-based tags and the different form-based tags. You can usually find the wiki for a tag by clicking the "?" next to a tag, and quite often they contain useful info about sub-tags.
