Topic: These are the days of our Pokemon (pokemon-specific_day BUR)

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Watsit

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The bulk update request #6494 is pending approval.

create alias pokemon-specific_day (354) -> pokemon (515690)
create alias eevee_day (9) -> eevee (17269)
create alias skitty_day (3) -> skitty (1035)
create alias sandshrew_day (3) -> sandshrew (557)
create alias sandslash_day (2) -> sandslash (1140)
create alias jolteon_day (13) -> jolteon (6984)
create alias milotic_day (14) -> milotic (1721)
create alias gardevoir_day (8) -> gardevoir (19422)
create alias glaceon_day (11) -> glaceon (11881)
create alias mewtwo_day (12) -> mewtwo (5587)

Reason: pokemon-specific_day was added to over 300 posts apparent by a single user. I see no reason for this tag as it says nothing about the contents of the image, it's just matching certain pokemon to certain days; it doesn't even say which pokemon.

As I understand it, these "<pokemon> Day"s started as a phonetic pun because the way certain dates are or can be said in Japanese sound like certain pokemon names. Beyond that, these aren't really special, it's just drawing or posting previously made drawings of particular pokemon on a particular day (and I have a suspicion some of them aren't even pun-based, it's just an arbitrary day) for appreciation. The Zangoose Day tag was allowed to stay because it had a visible emblem, which I remember there being discussion saying that the emblem should be visible for the tag to apply (though this doesn't seem to have been mentioned in the wiki, and a number of posts with the tag don't have the emblem; that tag should probably be revisited, but I won't touch it here since it ostensibly had been valid). None of these other days have such an emblem or other visible mark, they're just being applied because it's mentioned somewhere (including post descriptions).

The list of days isn't exhaustive. These are just the ones I've happened to noticed. I'm also not sure if aliasing to specific pokemon is the best idea, but it's almost certainly likely a post appreciating a particular pokemon will have that pokemon. Alternatively I can alias to just pokemon instead.

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snpthecat said:
The aliases from [pokemon]_day to [pokemon] is valid for all but one case, post #45648. It has zangoose day and jolteon day just because it was mentioned in the text. Also you may want to add glaceon day to the bur

Updated. And I removed the *_day tags from that post since the image itself isn't about them, they're just referenced in dialog.

Not sure about this one. Logo or not, if these "Pokemon days" are an actual phenomenon (which they do seem to be as far as I can tell), then having a tag to represent them seems fair. It's really not much different than tagging holidays like Valentine's Day or Halloween. They're just much less noteworthy than those major holidays, but I feel that the concept is roughly the same as far as tagging is concerned. It's artwork with a specific theme created for a specific day of the year, and that's the same whether it's Halloween or Sandslash Day.

Paraphrasing the Bible for an e621 BUR?

Anyway, I would consider uniting all these days under a single pokemon_day (or similar) day. The Sandslash Day or whatever can be found with pokemon_day sandslash.

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scaliespe said:
Not sure about this one. Logo or not, if these "Pokemon days" are an actual phenomenon (which they do seem to be as far as I can tell), then having a tag to represent them seems fair.

As much of a phenomenon as #tftuesday or any other #hashtag-day. There's nothing special about it, it's just a random time someone called to appreciate a particular thing, using a pun as justification. The image doesn't even have to be made on/for the day, as long as it's posted with mention of it.

scaliespe said:
It's really not much different than tagging holidays like Valentine's Day or Halloween. They're just much less noteworthy than those major holidays, but I feel that the concept is roughly the same as far as tagging is concerned. It's artwork with a specific theme created for a specific day of the year, and that's the same whether it's Halloween or Sandslash Day.

It doesn't have a particular theme, beyond 'has <pokemon>, was mentioned'. The concept is open to interpretation too, with people deciding "why a day? let's do a full month!". It's not a recognized holiday with cultural significance, like Valentine's Day or Halloween, it's just for people who like certain pokemon to appreciate said pokemon. Not all pokemon even get such a day, because they can't fit into the pun scheme (and given there's over 1000 pokemon at this point, but only 365 or 366 days in a year, most never will get one).

I don't mean to veer off-topic but this is just dreadful.. *_day has three and a half pages. It looks like ~75% of these are made-up "appreciation" or fandom days and about a third were probably created on impulse for some sort of inside joke or passing obsession.
This type of tag seems way too meta to even count as a copyright.
I blame twitter for this. :P

watsit said:
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As I understand it, these "<pokemon> Day"s started as a phonetic pun because the way certain dates are or can be said in Japanese sound like certain pokemon names. Beyond that, these aren't really special, it's just drawing or posting previously made drawings of particular pokemon on a particular day

False. These days are also events in Pokémon Go, called "community day".

Only the concerned species will spawn that day, there are increased shiny odds, and the pokémon species will usually learn an event-exclusive move.

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dimoretpinel said:
False. These days are also events in Pokémon Go, called "community day".

Only the concerned species will spawn that day, there are increased shiny odds, and the pokémon species will usually learn an event-exclusive move.

By "special" I mean the day being intrinsically relevant to the pokemon in question, as opposed to arbitrarily selected. And they did start as puns to appreciate particular pokemon; zangoose_day has existed since at least 2009 or 2010 (the oldest post here is almost 15 years old) while Pokemon Go wasn't released until 2016, 6 to 7 years later. That Pokemon Go may have adopted some and created more as events is all the more reason to get rid of them, as that's a completely separate thing getting mixed together.

watsit said:
As much of a phenomenon as #tftuesday or any other #hashtag-day. There's nothing special about it, it's just a random time someone called to appreciate a particular thing, using a pun as justification. The image doesn't even have to be made on/for the day, as long as it's posted with mention of it.

It doesn't have a particular theme, beyond 'has <pokemon>, was mentioned'. The concept is open to interpretation too, with people deciding "why a day? let's do a full month!". It's not a recognized holiday with cultural significance, like Valentine's Day or Halloween, it's just for people who like certain pokemon to appreciate said pokemon. Not all pokemon even get such a day, because they can't fit into the pun scheme (and given there's over 1000 pokemon at this point, but only 365 or 366 days in a year, most never will get one).

I mean, the pokemon itself is the theme. Copyright category tags are generally pretty loose like this. Compare to all the meme tags, or even just minor holidays in general. 4th of july is just American-themed artwork created on or for a particular day, and many of those posts don’t even mention the holiday directly. Even vague references to a meme tend to get a post tagged with that meme’s tag - also not much different from tagging a community day by its mention + depiction of a particular theme. The only real requirement for tags like this seems to be that it’s a thing that actually exists or is actually recognized, as opposed to just something someone came up with that nobody else acknowledges.

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scaliespe said:
I mean, the pokemon itself is the theme. Copyright category tags are generally pretty loose like this.

Why not search for the pokemon, if that's the theme? There's nothing more to these "<pokemon> Day"s beyond it being mentioned.

scaliespe said:
4th of july is just American-themed artwork created on or for a particular day, and many of those posts don’t even mention the holiday directly.

The 4th of July is a national holiday celebrating the US's independence. There's a bit more to that than "<pokemon> is cool, post pics of it today (and did you know today's date in Japanese kinda sounds kinda vaguely but not exactly like its Japanese name?)".

scaliespe said:
The only real requirement for tags like this seems to be that it’s a thing that actually exists or is actually recognized, as opposed to just something someone came up with that nobody else acknowledges.

That's what many of these are. Just something someone came up with that most people don't know or really care about; until it's mentioned to someone, they go "oh yeah..." or "oh yeah?", then forget about a day later.

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