The bulk update request #7752 is pending approval.

remove alias consensual_bondage (0) -> bondage (115373)
remove alias consensual_hypnosis (0) -> hypnosis (23165)
remove alias consentual_bondage (0) -> bondage (115373)
remove alias consentual_hypnosis (0) -> hypnosis (23165)
remove alias consentual_transformation (0) -> transformation (78951)

Reason: A massive decision was just made quietly in a thread that looks like it's only correcting a spelling mistake. topic #38840 I'd like to review it.

My main argument is that consent cannot be assumed and the overwhelming majority of images on this site are ambiguous about consent and cannot be tagged with either consensual_[blank] or forced_[blank]. Comics and sequences are the minority of content on this site. A single image of a character mid transformation, mid hypnosis, or even mid sex cannot be assumed to be consensual if it isn't shown in the image and we do not see how the act was initiated. With content like until_they_like_it, questionable_consent, secretly_loves_it, in_denial, and mind_control, consent cannot be tagged from a character's expression, only from a statements made by a character, and sometimes not even that.

Without the consensual variant of these tags, it is impossible to search for consensual content for these fetishes anymore. Here are a few searches to prove it.
bondage -forced_bondage
bondage ~consent_themes ~explicitly_stated_consent

forced_cuckhold isn't a tag.
cuckhold ~consent_themes ~explicitly_stated_consent

hypnosis -forced_hypnosis
hypnosis ~consent_themes ~explicitly_stated_consent

transformation -forced_transformation
transformation ~consent_themes ~explicitly_stated_consent

I am all for applying a consistent ruling to consent tags, but it needs to be one that allows for both the searching of consensual and non consensual acts, and if we do make one, it should be applied uniformly to all tags without exceptions like consentacles or willing_prey.

The "consentual" tags should be aliased into their consensual counterpart after this BUR is applied.

Edit: split consensual cuckold into it's own BUR.

The bulk update request #7753 is pending approval.

remove alias consensual_sex (0) -> sex (1024864)

Reason: If it holds true that consent cannot be implied by the lack of evidence of force and most images are in a state of ambiguous consent, then this should be done as well.

sex -rape
sex ~consent_themes ~explicitly_stated_consent

I don't really super see a need for consensual_cuckold, we already have a tag for situations where a romantic partner is engaging in sexual/romantic activity outside the bounds of the relationship, it's infidelity.

cuckold -infidelity should pretty much be the same thing.

dba_afish said:
I don't really super see a need for consensual_cuckold, we already have a tag for situations where a romantic partner is engaging in sexual/romantic activity outside the bounds of the relationship, it's infidelity.

cuckold -infidelity should pretty much be the same thing.

I'd argue the same principle applies. The lack of shown infidelity does not imply a willing cuckold. That said, I am not that familiar with cuckold and related tags, so if there's more discussion to be had I can split that into it's own request.

Are we really going to have consensual and nonconsensual tags for every interaction?

votp said:
Are we really going to have consensual and nonconsensual tags for every interaction?

That is what I'm suggesting, at least for every root tag that a character can be subject to. No need for consensual_doggystyle or willing_masturbation.

It is some one of the most important details that could be given about most images, among many other details we already tag like transformation triggers or what part of a character's body is bound. It doesn't take long to find people who would use these tags. Myself of course, but also finding commenters on consensual images that want more isn't unusual.
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oozeenthusiast said:
The lack of shown infidelity does not imply a willing cuckold..

I mean, if it's not willing cuckoldry it's necessarily infidelity.

outside of super edge cases like:

it's impossible to have both consensual_cuckold and infidelity on a post. but being able to satisfy all of these parameters within the content of a single post seems dubious to me.

dba_afish said:
I mean, if it's not willing cuckoldry it's necessarily infidelity.

outside of super edge cases like:

involving parties a, b, c, d
a is married to b; bounds: exclusive
a is in an extramarital romantic relationship with c; bounds: cuck ok

a has sex with d whilst c is present

cuckold?: true; a had sex with 3rd party, c present
∟consensual?: true; within bounds of relationship a/c
infidelity?: true; relationships a/c, a/d outside bounds of relationship a/b

it's impossible to have both consensual_cuckold and infidelity on a post. but being able to satisfy all of these parameters within the content of a single post seems dubious to me.

While you are right that a scenario cannot be both if you know all the details about the scenario unless there are at least two couples, but the same is true for the rest of the consent tags. The problem is most images do not give you all the information and only give you a snapshot of the characters in the middle of it.

Consider the below. There isn't enough information to tag them with consensual_cuckold or infidelity. People looking for either would be disappointed to find them in their search. Following TWYS we cannot judge if these cucks want this to happen or not, only that they're arroused.
post #4668502 post #2430344 post #2863901

The bulk update request #7759 is pending approval.

remove alias consensual_cuckold (0) -> cuckold (5314)
remove alias consentual_cuckold (0) -> cuckold (5314)

Reason: There is room for discussion here separate from the other tags being considered.

oozeenthusiast said:
Consider the below. There isn't enough information to tag them with consensual_cuckold or infidelity. People looking for either would be disappointed to find them in their search. Following TWYS we cannot judge if these cucks want this to happen or not, only that they're arroused.
post #4668502 post #2430344 post #2863901

the first one seems consensual to me, there's not really any evidence to imply its not.
that second one is just infidelity, straight up.
I'm honestly not sure if that last one should be tagged cuckold at all. not much of a reason to assume that two people sharing a hotel (?) room with multiple beds are romantically involved. from a neutral perspective this is just voyeur.

dba_afish said:
that second one is just infidelity, straight up.

Unless they're in an open relationship, or it's some form of dirty talk (the "girlfriend" being just a friend they get teased about being in a relationship with). That's the trouble with assuming things not explicitly declared; there can always be more unspoken information that flips the assumption on its head (and even then, being explicitly declared doesn't automatically make it true; that's why we don't tag characters as male for simply saying they're male, and have tags like explicitly_stated_consent that's just saying something was stated, not declaring the truth of the statement).

dba_afish said:
I'm honestly not sure if that last one should be tagged cuckold at all. not much of a reason to assume that two people sharing a hotel (?) room with multiple beds are romantically involved. from a neutral perspective this is just voyeur.

The characters have never been stated to be in a relationship. They're the default male and female player avatars who are kids; any canonical relationship they may have in non-game material is as friends, not boyfriend/girlfriend or lovers.

watsit said:
Unless they're in an open relationship, or it's some form of dirty talk (the "girlfriend" being just a friend they get teased about being in a relationship with). That's the trouble with assuming things not explicitly declared; there can always be more unspoken information that flips the assumption on its head (and even then, being explicitly declared doesn't automatically make it true; that's why we don't tag characters as male for simply saying they're male, and have tags like explicitly_stated_consent that's just saying something was stated, not declaring the truth of the statement).

I think in it's best to assume that any explicitly extramarital (or umm... extraromantic?) excursion is infidelity. I don't think we want to try to extrapolate the meaning of "You moan like your girlfriend." beyond just: 1) the human character has a girlfriend and 2) Beau might've also fucked the human's girlfriend. there's a million ways we can cut this, but the simplest is just infidelity.

watsit said:
The characters have never been stated to be in a relationship. They're the default male and female player avatars who are kids; any canonical relationship they may have in non-game material is as friends, not boyfriend/girlfriend or lovers.

I mean, these are general tags so they're tagged off of context within a post, not external knowledge. so like, not every post with, a canonically married character and a character other than their s/o is infidelity by default, infidelity needs to be an explicit theme in order for the tag to be applied, usually this context is provided by dialogue, but there are cases where that information is implied just through background props or other visual evidence.

oozeenthusiast said:
That is what I'm suggesting, at least for every root tag that a character can be subject to. No need for consensual_doggystyle or willing_masturbation.

It is some one of the most important details that could be given about most images, among many other details we already tag like transformation triggers or what part of a character's body is bound. It doesn't take long to find people who would use these tags. Myself of course, but also finding commenters on consensual images that want more isn't unusual.
post #2746352

Destroy it. Cast it into the fire.

dba_afish said:
I mean, these are general tags so they're tagged off of context within a post, not external knowledge.

Many infidelity and cuckold posts are just that. Going on the external knowledge that a character is married to someone different than who they're having sex with. Or worse, is fanon that two characters are together romantically so them having sex with other characters is tagged infidelity or cuckolding. When without that external knowledge, it would be little more than teasing or forced_to_watch.