Topic: [REJECTED] Buccinator/jaw muscle fix BUR

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #8050 has been rejected.

mass update buccinator -> jaw_adductor

Reason:

Followup: buccinator -> invalid

The wiki for buccinator describes the muscle as:

The buccinator muscle (Latin: Musculus buccinator; also called the maxillary rictus, mandibular rictus, or just the rictus) is a thin quadrilateral muscle occupying the interval between the maxilla (upper jaw) and the mandible (lower jaw) at the side of the face.

In most species, humans for example, the buccinator is not visible on the face as it forms the anterior part of the cheek/the lateral wall of the oral cavity, and can only be seen in a mouth shot. It is more apparent in scalie species (reptiles, dinosaurs, dragons, etc.) when they have their mouths opened, where it appears as a membrane at the corner of the mouth.

After checking multiple scientific sources, it appears that this group of muscles is generally collectively referred to as the jaw adductor or mandibular adductor, and not any of the descriptions of buccinator as mentioned in the wiki page.

Buccinator as a tag is used exclusively to refer to the mandibular adductor, and it seems like buccinator itself is a one person tag, with the wiki page being made by the same person. As an anatomical feature, the buccinator is used for chewing, and is essentially one and the same with our cheeks. It is not the same muscle as the jaw adductor muscles, which is why I am not requesting an alias but instead an invalidation of buccinator - there would be very few cases where it would be a valid tag in place of normal mammal cheeks.

EDIT: The bulk update request #8050 (forum #404716) has been rejected by @Moonlit-Comet.

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clawstripe said:
Another overly specific muscle tag? :| Do we need jaw adductor either? Although, I suppose I can see a use for the latter with the more reptilian sorts.

I think there's good use for it. It's a very striking anatomical feature in images where it is depicted:
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And unlike most other muscles it is outwardly visible on relevant species, such as most reptiles. Most other specific muscle tags are overall pretty useless, but to me [and evidently, many artists] the mandibular adductors can really draw the eye to the mouth, or other anatomical features.

moonlit-comet said:
I think there's good use for it. It's a very striking anatomical feature in images where it is depicted:
post #4359479

And unlike most other muscles it is outwardly visible on relevant species, such as most reptiles. Most other specific muscle tags are overall pretty useless, but to me [and evidently, many artists] the mandibular adductors can really draw the eye to the mouth, or other anatomical features.

Good enough for me.

I guess you could say that this wiki page creation involved only one very specific muscle...

Anyway, from what I understand, adductor muscle is any muscle that pulls things together, whereas masseter is one of the adductors in the jaw.
And we already have jaw_masseter (with existing aliases, which were created without discussion ).
At the same time, jaw masseter might be redundant, but it also pops up when you search jaw_m.

So maybe it's better to simplify it to jaw_muscle?

waydence said:
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So maybe it's better to simplify it to jaw_muscle?

Yeah, that was an alternative I was considering. Either jaw_muscle or exposed_jaw_muscle[the second one seems more in-line with the current use in tagging since other jaw muscles exist like headboobs in snakes], but whichever we end up choosing, buccinator is certainly not the correct tag for it, considering the buccinator is a cheek muscle and not a jaw muscle.

...whereas masseter is one of the adductors in the jaw.

Also, while that's true, the masseter muscle specifically is one only found in mammals. Which is yet another incorrect application of jaw muscle tags when it comes to jaw_masseter, considering all four of its applications are only depicting reptiles. In reptiles, they're referred to as mandibular adductors, as well as other more specific muscle names. We'd likely have to invalidate [or alias] jaw_masseter to the new chosen tag.

After thinking about it more, I'm gonna reject this BUR in favor of a more simplified and general one. Had too much science brain at the moment, and will address other issues regarding tags similar to this one.

moonlit-comet said:
After thinking about it more, I'm gonna reject this BUR in favor of a more simplified and general one. Had too much science brain at the moment, and will address other issues regarding tags similar to this one.

You can edit BURs by opening this page: bulk update request #8050

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