The bulk update request #8100 is active.

create alias collage (10) -> collage_(disambiguation) (823)
change category collage_(disambiguation) (823) -> invalid
create alias collage_(technique) (5) -> collage_(artwork) (180)
change category collage_(artwork) (180) -> meta

Reason: Collage is an ambiguous tag and its wiki acts as a disambiguation, yet it isn't in invalid, which it probably should be.

This BUR also establishes collage_(technique) for the actual technique.

EDIT: The bulk update request #8100 (forum #405054) has been approved by @scaliespe.

What's the difference between collage_(artwork) and multiple_images? I don't think collage_(artwork) signifies as referring to traditional media either, people can easily tag it on digital art collages and I don't think we need separate tags for traditional vs digital collages; traditional_media_(artwork) and digital_media_(artwork) already exist as tags, and multiple_images+traditional_media_(artwork) or digital_media_(artwork) works fine IMO.

Shouldn't it be aliased to collage_(disambiguation)? Doesn't have to, but that's how it's done usually.

Painting is ambiguous, don't model after it.

watsit said:
What's the difference between collage_(artwork) and multiple_images? I don't think collage_(artwork) signifies as referring to traditional media either, people can easily tag it on digital art collages and I don't think we need separate tags for traditional vs digital collages; traditional_media_(artwork) and digital_media_(artwork) already exist as tags, and multiple_images+traditional_media_(artwork) or digital_media_(artwork) works fine IMO.

Collage can be just a collection of pictures, but it can be the medium itself, I think that's what he was getting at.

I would suggest calling the latter one collage_(technique) as it has more clear meaning than collage_(artwork).

watsit said:
What's the difference between collage_(artwork) and multiple_images? I don't think collage_(artwork) signifies as referring to traditional media either, people can easily tag it on digital art collages and I don't think we need separate tags for traditional vs digital collages; traditional_media_(artwork) and digital_media_(artwork) already exist as tags, and multiple_images+traditional_media_(artwork) or digital_media_(artwork) works fine IMO.

This tag isn't related to multiple_images?

post #90895 post #5212 post #4157299 post #1981758

Also, digital collages can use traditional media images and traditional collages can use printed digital artwork, the difference is how they're compiled.

waydence said:
Shouldn't it be aliased to collage_(disambiguation)? Doesn't have to, but that's how it's done usually.

Painting is ambiguous, don't model after it.

Collage can be just a collection of pictures, but it can be the medium itself, I think that's what he was getting at.

I would suggest calling the latter one collage_(technique) as it has more clear meaning than collage_(artwork).

I think that's fair, you're right. The reason I split between traditional and digital though is because the technique varies depending on how it's put together and doesn't necessarily correlate to the materials used to create the parts of the collage, so using traditional_media and digital_media doesn't really work.

I used artwork because that's the standard format, but I'm fine with using technique instead :P

should collage be disambiguated instead of moved directly to invalid, since it has multiple meanings?

wandering_spaniel said:
should collage be disambiguated instead of moved directly to invalid, since it has multiple meanings?

I was thinking that too, yeah. The only reason I just did invalid is because the wiki page was already set up like a disambiguation.

I changed it to disambiguate collage and also moved collage_(artwork) to traditional_collage_(artwork) to be clearer. Maybe a collage_(technique) tag to cover both would be a good idea, but I think there's benefit in keeping these distinct:

post #90895 post #1559768

And for example; this is a digital collage made of traditional artwork. It is very clear from the way it's assembled that it was put together digitally, even though all of the components are traditional artwork.

post #4760341

nimphia said:
Also, digital collages can use traditional media images and traditional collages can use printed digital artwork, the difference is how they're compiled.

That's not clear from the tag names. I'm also not sure having them imply traditional_media_(artwork) and digital_media_(artwork) would be appropriate then, since it only deals with how the art is compiled into the image and not whether the art itself is traditional or digital. E.g. a "digital collage" being a bunch of traditional artwork stamped together into one image in an art program, wouldn't necessarily be digital media any more than any other traditional media piece that's been digitized and edited/touched up digitally (which most are, if nothing else to clean up noise from digitization, but can also be more aggressive with lighting and color changes or balancing, detail cleanup and final tweaking, and more, without necessarily crossing the line into becoming "digital media").

watsit said:
That's not clear from the tag names. I'm also not sure having them imply traditional_media_(artwork) and digital_media_(artwork) would be appropriate then, since it only deals with how the art is compiled into the image and not whether the art itself is traditional or digital. E.g. a "digital collage" being a bunch of traditional artwork stamped together into one image in an art program, wouldn't necessarily be digital media any more than any other traditional media piece that's been digitized and edited/touched up digitally (which most are, if nothing else to clean up noise from digitization, but can also be more aggressive with lighting and color changes or balancing, detail cleanup and final tweaking, and more, without necessarily crossing the line into becoming "digital media").

I'm not sure what else to call the tags. Most of the time they're a form of mixed_media, and personally, I'd consider a piece of art assembled in a digital program to be digital_media_(artwork). However I can see the argument about the line being blurry.

If y'all think a single collage_(technique) tag would be better, I think that's fine too.

nimphia said:
If y'all think a single collage_(technique) tag would be better, I think that's fine too.

Would probably be better, since it's not always easy or possible to tell whether the collage was made digitally or traditionally, and it's easy to mistake "traditional collages" as being collages of traditional art rather than a collage assembled physically and photographed/scanned (and vice-versa for digital collages).

watsit said:
Would probably be better, since it's not always easy or possible to tell whether the collage was made digitally or traditionally, and it's easy to mistake "traditional collages" as being collages of traditional art rather than a collage assembled physically and photographed/scanned (and vice-versa for digital collages).

Alright, one sec. After sleeping on it I agree 100%, the distinction is vague.

Edit: There we go, collage_(technique) it is :)

I'm still not really understanding the reasoning behind calling it (technique) instead of (artwork). I don't really see how the latter is ambiguous.

scaliespe said:
I'm still not really understanding the reasoning behind calling it (technique) instead of (artwork). I don't really see how the latter is ambiguous.

I don't know either, to be honest, I just went with what people were suggesting in the thread. I think collage_(artwork) should be fine.

nimphia said:
I don't know either, to be honest, I just went with what people were suggesting in the thread. I think collage_(artwork) should be fine.

My main concern was having separate digital and traditional collage tags, which are separate from the images themselves being digital or traditional, as people will likely use the tags meaning the images' media type rather than the collage's. Confusion that the previous implications would've added to (a digital collage of traditional media being tagged digital media), and it not always being clear whether a collage was done traditionally or digitally so not knowing which way to tag it.

Updated BUR to make the tag end in *_(artwork).

The bulk update request #8100 (forum #405054) has been approved by @scaliespe.