Topic: [APPROVED] Student/Teacher Aliases

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #8356 is active.

create alias younger_student (0) -> student (3971)
create alias older_student (0) -> student (3971)
create alias anthro_student (0) -> anthro (3348444)
create alias feral_student (0) -> feral (619641)
create alias taur_student (0) -> taur (18450)
create alias human_student (0) -> human (374337)
create alias humanoid_student (0) -> humanoid (451150)
create alias nude_student (0) -> nude (1255645)
create alias clothed_student (0) -> clothed (1151405)
create alias smaller_student (0) -> student (3971)
create alias larger_student (0) -> student (3971)
create alias male_student (0) -> male (2515849)
create alias female_student (0) -> female (2557970)
create alias intersex_student (0) -> intersex (247102)
create alias andromorph_student (0) -> andromorph (23574)
create alias gynomorph_student (0) -> gynomorph (194477)
create alias herm_student (0) -> herm (27381)
create alias maleherm_student (0) -> maleherm (4500)
create alias ambiguous_student (0) -> ambiguous_gender (314498)
create alias student/student (0) -> student (3971)
create alias student_dominating_teacher (0) -> dominant (150559)

Reason: These are all too specific. All but one of them was started by a singular user with no discussion as far as I can see.

https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=younger_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=older_student (zero posts)
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=anthro_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=feral_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=taur_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=human_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=humanoid_student (zero posts)
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=nude_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=clothed_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=smaller_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=larger_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=male_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=female_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=intersex_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=andromorph_student (zero posts)
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=gynomorph_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=herm_student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=maleherm_student (zero posts)
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=student/student
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=student_dominating_teacher (used by other users)
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EDIT: The bulk update request #8356 (forum #406956) has been approved by @scaliespe.

Updated by auto moderator

The bulk update request #8357 is active.

create alias younger_teacher (0) -> teacher (5504)
create alias older_teacher (0) -> teacher (5504)
create alias anthro_teacher (0) -> anthro (3348444)
create alias feral_teacher (0) -> feral (619641)
create alias taur_teacher (0) -> taur (18450)
create alias human_teacher (0) -> human (374337)
create alias humanoid_teacher (0) -> humanoid (451150)
create alias nude_teacher (0) -> nude (1255645)
create alias clothed_teacher (0) -> clothed (1151405)
create alias smaller_teacher (0) -> teacher (5504)
create alias larger_teacher (0) -> teacher (5504)
create alias male_teacher (0) -> male (2515849)
create alias female_teacher (0) -> female (2557970)
create alias intersex_teacher (0) -> intersex (247102)
create alias andromorph_teacher (0) -> andromorph (23574)
create alias gynomorph_teacher (0) -> gynomorph (194477)
create alias herm_teacher (0) -> herm (27381)
create alias maleherm_teacher (0) -> maleherm (4500)
create alias ambiguous_teacher (0) -> ambiguous_gender (314498)
create alias teacher/teacher (0) -> teacher (5504)
create alias teacher_dominating_student (0) -> dominant (150559)

Reason: Once again, all too specific. And once again, the majority of these were started by one user.

https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=younger_teacher (zero posts)
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=older_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=anthro_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=feral_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=taur_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=human_teacher (zero posts)
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=humanoid_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=nude_teacher (primarily @bcd123)
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=clothed_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=smaller_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=larger_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=male_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=female_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=intersex_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=andromorph_teacher (zero posts)
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=gynomorph_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=herm_teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=maleherm_teacher (zero posts)
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=teacher/teacher
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_added]=teacher_dominating_student (zero posts)

EDIT: The bulk update request #8357 (forum #406957) has been approved by @scaliespe.

Updated by auto moderator

snpthecat said:
nude/clothed?

Those weren't a mistake, I was unsure of which to alias to, so I just decided to alias them to that base tag
There's a clear precedent with gender/form as to which to alias to, I don't have an opinion on where to alias the others

donovan_dmc said:
Those weren't a mistake, I was unsure of which to alias to, so I just decided to alias them to that base tag
There's a clear precedent with gender/form as to which to alias to, I don't have an opinion on where to alias the others

Precedent? The only convention I am aware of is aliasing to whatever comes first in the name (so you don't type nude and the first result is to teacher), unless the other alias destination is pretty small.

donovan_dmc said:
The age of either side isn't necessarily defined, a teacher could be younger than the student

technically yeah, but like, 99% of cases it's going to be the student is younger.

I mean, if we're going to be aliasing, I feel like younger_dom_older_sub is the closest adjacent. it's also less populated than student, unlike dominant, so it's not going to mess with the auto-complete.

Please see the discussion in https://e621.net/forum_topics/43680 before deciding anything.

Ultimately some of these deserve to be aliased away, I am just not sure which. Some of these are just there because "hey, I noticed this thing could possibly be tagged, I'll just tag it and we can alias away the ones we don't want" (I am tagging with the assumption that we can clean up whatever subset of these is undesired here on the forums).

I am biased towards the larger/smaller ones because I love size difference. I started larger_student because I wanted to see more of that content. I only created smaller_student as a means to search student size_difference -larger_student -smaller_student to find posts to categorize. As discussed in https://e621.net/forum_topics/43680 it is tricky though, since student/teacher tags may be better as lore, and it is hard to know which tag combinations are valuable.

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aaronfranke said:
I am biased towards the larger/smaller ones because I love size difference. I started larger_student because I wanted to see more of that content.

And situations like this are exactly why we say to ask about creating tags before just doing it. Just because you have a fetish doesn't mean we need a tag for it. You're just creating a massive mess we have to clean up in the future. I'd highly recommend you suggest any future tags you want to create in the forums before going and spending days to months tagging them. That'll both avoid your work getting destroyed in a few clicks and someone needing to clean up the tags.

donovan_dmc said:
You're just creating a massive mess we have to clean up in the future.

It's not a mess, it can all be consolidated as desired in a matter of minutes by someone in charge accepting this BUR you've made.

Please do keep in mind that at the same time, I am also adding other tags to these posts. For example, I am adding male_anthro to many of them. The tag edits as a whole are unambiguously good - it is trivial to clean up unwanted tags with BURs, it is much harder to manually add missing tags.

Also note, it is useful to have more examples of combination tags early on to allow the e621 staff to better determine where to draw the line. If I didn't make a tag like male_student, it's likely that somebody else would have done so in the future, but since we made a decision here, that future person will likely find it aliased to male.

aaronfranke said:
in a matter of minutes by someone in charge accepting this BUR you've made.

You aren't considering the time it took me to compile the tags and make this BUR, or the time it will take to change the wiki pages. Neither of those are a "matter of minutes".

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