The bulk update request #8554 is pending approval.

mass update warfare_machine -> warfare_machine_(modeller)
create alias warfaremachine_(modeller) (0) -> warfare_machine_(modeller) (0)
create alias warfaremachine (95) -> warfare_machine (8983) # has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through bur
change category warfare_machine (8983) -> artist
change category warfare_machine_(modeller) (0) -> copyright

Reason: Getting rid of the many warfare_* character tags

Watsit put it best in topic #44983 (and topic #44995)

watsit said:
We shouldn't be tagging individual models as if they're their own characters, which just creates confusion and tag bloat. Fox McCloud is Fox McCloud, regardless of someone's style of him. It's better to just use the normal character tag, with the modeler if necessary.

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Summary:

This BUR thread updates the warfare_* character tags to be tagged with the copyright tag for Warfare Machine models, then aliases those tags away to the respective characters/species.

Additionally, this BUR specifically will update the tags warfare_machine and warfaremachine to something more clear between whether a post is using his models or is made by him, as the only thing separating those two is a space and the category color.

• The current copyright tag warfare_machine is updated to warfare_machine_(modeller), which will become the new copyright tags for posts using his models
• Additionally aliases the non-spaced name with the suffix, so that searches using either will pull up the relevant posts.
• The current artist tag warfaremachine is aliased to warfare_machine, and both tags will be marked as artist tags. That way, when either are searched, the relevant posts come up.

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Tag-Specific Notes:

• warfare_goat - Warfare Machine has a lot of different goat models, so that's aliased to the goat species tag
• *unny - tags like vaporunny are aliased to hybrid, so I've done that for these as well
• many of the models are not made by WarfareMachine themselves, but rather are edits of their Lopunny model. They'll still be switched to his copyright tag as they're built off his model. (Same goes for domibun_fox_mccloud)

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Blocked by existing requests:

• alias warfare_fox -> fox_mccloud - topic #44983
• alias warfare_fox_mccloud -> fox_mccloud - topic #44995

The bulk update request #8555 is pending approval.

Reason: h5. Copyright Tag Part 1

The bulk update request #8556 is pending approval.

Reason: h5. Copyright Tag Part 2

The bulk update request #8557 is pending approval.

mass update warfare_pumyra -> warfare_machine_(modeller)
mass update warfare_espunny -> warfare_machine_(modeller)
mass update warfare_faraday -> warfare_machine_(modeller)
mass update domibun_fox_mccloud -> warfare_machine_(modeller)

Reason: h5. Copyright Tag Part 3

(Not updating Warfare Machine owned characters, as some of the tagged posts are 2D and as such don't use the model)

The bulk update request #8558 is pending approval.

Reason: h5. Aliases Part 1

The bulk update request #8559 is pending approval.

Reason: h5. Aliases Part 2

The bulk update request #8560 is pending approval.

create alias warfare_pumyra (1) -> pumyra (112)
create alias warfare_espunny (2) -> hybrid (163058)
create alias warfare_faraday (3) -> faraday_(warfare_machine) (0)
create alias warfare_sevan (15) -> sevan_(warfare_machine) (0)
create alias warfare_sophia (1) -> sophia_(warfare_machine) (0)
create alias warfare_salazzle (1) -> salazzle (4649)
create alias domibun_fox_mccloud (0) -> fox_mccloud (11369)
create alias faraday_(warfaremachine) (41) -> faraday_(warfare_machine) (0)
create alias sevan_(warfaremachine) (50) -> sevan_(warfare_machine) (0)
create alias sophia_(warfaremachine) (20) -> sophia_(warfare_machine) (0)

Reason: h5. Aliases Part 3

Extra stuff:

Aliases the suffixed name to include the space used in the proposed artist/copyright tags
Added domibun_fox_mccloud as that's an edit of WarfareMachine's model)

The bulk update request #8561 is pending approval.

remove alias mrwarfaremachine (0) -> warfaremachine (95)

Reason: Request to fix BTR in first BUR

Followup: alias mrwarfaremachine -> warfare_machine

I disagree with this approach. I think there can be a place for specific 3D model tags, but I would prefer either to carve out a new category for them (perhaps call it "Assets" and stick it below Meta) or to keep them as they are and implicate them to the relevant _(modeller) tag as well as 3d_(artwork). I don't want to see them disappear completely, since I think they can be useful in a lot of ways, although I agree that the current system is confusing and needs to be clarified.

In any case, 3D modelers need to be credited more in 3D posts. It's the same concept as crediting artists whose pieces are copied-and-pasted into the background of other posts, as wall posters for example.

Also, this is more of a nitpick, but WARFAREMACHINE doesn't use a space in his name anywhere, on his Furaffinity bio he says "its me WARFAREMACHINE!" and on his Patreon he has "Warfaremachine (Victor Suares)" in the title. So I think it should be warfaremachine_(modeller) instead of warfare_machine_(modeller).

pankino2002 said:
I disagree with this approach. I think there can be a place for specific 3D model tags, but I would prefer either to carve out a new category for them (perhaps call it "Assets" and stick it below Meta)

We almost certainly aren't getting a new tag category any time soon, so you can practically forget about that
We've been trying internally to get a new tag category for a long time and it's yet to lead anywhere

as it stands currently model creators don't have any place in tagging, but nobody seems interested in enforcing that

donovan_dmc said:
as it stands currently model creators don't have any place in tagging, but nobody seems interested in enforcing that

I've seen several staff members indicate they think modeler tags aren't a bad idea, it just seems that not everyone agrees on how exactly to implement them and what category(s) they fall under. Given that tags like warfare_machine and petruz_(copyright) now have thousands of posts under them, I think it's past time for there to be clarification on how they're tagged.

pankino2002 said:
I've seen several staff members indicate they think modeler tags aren't a bad idea, it just seems that not everyone agrees on how exactly to implement them and what category(s) they fall under. Given that tags like warfare_machine and petruz_(copyright) now have thousands of posts under them, I think it's past time for there to be clarification on how they're tagged.

Yes, many people desire tags for modelers but they don't fit into our current tagging system
They definitely don't fit under the artist tag, the closest we can get is copyright and that's shaky at best

Just because a tag exists doesn't mean that's the standard, that just means no one has brought up a discussion around it
We only just recently aliased away the commissioner tag togepi1125, which we have clear precedents for aliasing away

I could easily see petruz_(copyright) being aliased away, but no one wants to start that conversation
Every single time I have tried to bring it up internally, the conversation drifted off and nothing came of it

donovan_dmc said:
Yes, many people desire tags for modelers but they don't fit into our current tagging system
They definitely don't fit under the artist tag, the closest we can get is copyright and that's shaky at best

I hope the system is changed, then. Given that many 3D models are paywalled and some have a ToS regarding their use, I think they can easily slot into the Copyright category. But I understand it's tricky.

This seems like a very bad idea without first going through and appending the modeller's username and the model contributed to the descriptions, should we later gain a "contributer/assets" category in the future, and just seems like the VA/Foley purge again, albeit... what justification can there be, here? If it's visual, we tag it, that the creators of models are treated differently from any other creators with work featured in other pieces seems like a weirdly arbitrary line.

votp said:
This seems like a very bad idea without first going through and appending the modeller's username and the model contributed to the descriptions, should we later gain a "contributer/assets" category in the future, and just seems like the VA/Foley purge again, albeit... what justification can there be, here?

The first set of BURs do a mass update to add the modeller tag to the post, before the latter set alias the tags away. One of the several arguments against the individual model tags is that having the modeller tag with the normal character tag is good enough to find images of the given modeller's character model, which these BURs work with.

votp said:
If it's visual, we tag it, that the creators of models are treated differently from any other creators with work featured in other pieces seems like a weirdly arbitrary line.

We don't tag each individual unofficial design of a pre-existing character with distinct tags, which makes it odd to do so just because it's a model.

watsit said:
The first set of BURs do a mass update to add the modeller tag to the post, before the latter set alias the tags away. One of the several arguments against the individual model tags is that having the modeller tag with the normal character tag is good enough to find images of the given modeller's character model, which these BURs work with.

We don't tag each individual unofficial design of a pre-existing character with distinct tags, which makes it odd to do so just because it's a model.

Each model is, in and of itself, it's own piece of artwork. This is closer to adding a background to an existing piece or animating a static image. You're using another artist's work to create something new. I would still MUCH prefer the specific asset be noted down somewhere, much the same as images in the background of other pieces typically have a note pointing to the original post ID if available. The description field seems to currently be the dumping area for "we don't have a category for this, yet", and video files (which most of these will be) can't have notes put in them like an image can anyway.

Just seems like something that should be done as much for futureproofing as for showing exactly what that creator is being tagged for, as it'll also hopefully prevent tagging disputes.

Random ass question.. Do I keep it as 'modeller' or is 'modeler' preferred? (Basically, British English or American English, respectively?)

dirtyderg said:
Random ass question.. Do I keep it as 'modeller' or is 'modeler' preferred? (Basically, British English or American English, respectively?)

Seems tag names tend to prefer British English (gray_x tags like gray_fur are aliased to grey_x/grey_fur, dialog aliased to dialogue, etc).

watsit said:
Seems tag names tend to prefer British English (gray_x tags like gray_fur are aliased to grey_x/grey_fur, dialog aliased to dialogue, etc).

It's a mix and match.
*color* is preferred over *colour*

I'll keep as is for now