The bulk update request #9413 is active.

change category humanoid_genitalia_on_feral (2234) -> general
change category humanoid_penis_on_feral (414) -> general
change category humanoid_pussy_on_feral (1768) -> general

Reason: I saw this changed to the Invalid category recently, and I'm not sure why? They're used quite a bit, there wasn't any discussion or BUR about invalidating them, and they're useful since there isn't a reliable way to use other tags to find what they're for (see topic #38622 which set them up in the first place).

And if they aren't going to be valid tags anymore, it would make more sense to alias them to humanoid_genitalia/penis/pussy instead of placing them in the Invalid category that people will need to manually clean up.

EDIT: The bulk update request #9413 (forum #421349) has been approved by @slyroon.

Looks to have been changed manually 9 hours ago by slyroon

Also don't forget humanoid genitalia on anthro

And yeah it's better to alias to a valid tag rather than invalidate it

snpthecat said:
Also don't forget humanoid genitalia on anthro

Hmm, I'm less sure about what to do with those. On the one hand, both anthros and humanoid genitalia on anthros are more common compared to ferals, so a "humanoid_genitalia anthro" search will have far fewer false positives compared to ferals (similarly, the shear number of anthro posts will also help ensure "animal_genitalia anthro" works better too). I don't know if the number of false positives those would get warrants tags that aren't likely to be used much. They're also lacking implications like these feral tags have. They may be better suited to a separate discussion for re-validating them along with setting up implications or aliases as appropriate.

I really wish e621 had a system for creating something like "tag groups" for each character in an image, so that a user could search for a combination of tags on one character, rather than merely in one image.

subtlereminder said:
I really wish e621 had a system for creating something like "tag groups" for each character in an image, so that a user could search for a combination of tags on one character, rather than merely in one image.

What you are asking is for nested tags, and no, it's not going to happen.

thegreatwolfgang said:
What you are asking is for nested tags, and no, it's not going to happen.

I figured that was probably the case, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

If that's never going to happen, then compound tags like these are useful.

I used this tag quite frequently, especially for blacklisting purposes. Because to me it honestly makes or breaks an artwork, if humanoid genitalia is applied to ferals. I don't really care if it's applied to anything else. So this was the perfect tag to filter this.

The bulk update request #9413 (forum #421349) has been approved by @slyroon.

So I might have been too fast in invalidating those. So I've reverted them for now.

I initially had a few issues with the tags. Those tags seem superfluous to me, as they serve as a double tag and are almost fully covered by the two separate tags. Also, this kind of double tag seems even less useful if applied to other form tags. The tags, however, are also badly phrased in my opinion, as the "on" in the tag doesn't fully describe that it's a character with a certain type of genitalia, it could be misinterpreted as a separate humanoid character putting their genitalia on them.

It was suggested to me privately that feral_with_humanoid_genitalia might be a better alternative. Though that might be a discussion for another day.

slyroon said:
I initially had a few issues with the tags. Those tags seem superfluous to me, as they serve as a double tag and are almost fully covered by the two separate tags.

If you search for "humanoid_penis feral" you mostly just get images of ferals interacting with anthro characters with humanoid penises. I just tested and confirmed this. "humanoid_pussy feral" is similar, but not nearly as severe.

I was thinking of making a similar complaint about the invalidation of the "lingerie_on_feral" and "panties_on_feral" tags, but then I tested it and realized that that problem actually wasn't nearly as pervasive with that tag combination.

slyroon said:
It was suggested to me privately that feral_with_humanoid_genitalia might be a better alternative. Though that might be a discussion for another day.

^^^^ This.

slyroon said:
I initially had a few issues with the tags. Those tags seem superfluous to me, as they serve as a double tag and are almost fully covered by the two separate tags. Also, this kind of double tag seems even less useful if applied to other form tags.

I can probably agree with not having tags like this for anthros, and humanoids would be better served by the reverse (e.g. animal_genitalia_on_humanoid), but for ferals, "feral humanoid_genitalia" has a fair number of false positives with the humanoid genitalia belonging to a human or anthro (or disembodied penis) character with the feral having unknown or animal genitalia.

slyroon said:
The tags, however, are also badly phrased in my opinion, as the "on" in the tag doesn't fully describe that it's a character with a certain type of genitalia, it could be misinterpreted as a separate humanoid character putting their genitalia on them.

It was suggested to me privately that feral_with_humanoid_genitalia might be a better alternative. Though that might be a discussion for another day.

I'd have no issue with them being renamed if they're too open to misinterpretation, as long as the intended use is the same.

subtlereminder said:
"humanoid_pussy feral" is similar, but not nearly as severe.

I just realized why "humanoid_pussy feral" yields much fewer false positives: animal penises on anthro characters are common, so it's meaningful to tag images of anthros with "humanoid_penis," but animal pussies on anthro characters are rare, so people don't bother tagging images of anthro characters with "humanoid_pussy". You can easily prove this by searching "pussy -humanoid_pussy -animal_pussy" and observing how many results there are.

EDIT: a significant portion of posts tagged with "humanoid_pussy" are feral characters with humanoid pussies, because that's the context in which that is a meaningful distinction.

slyroon said:
So I might have been too fast in invalidating those. So I've reverted them for now.

I initially had a few issues with the tags. Those tags seem superfluous to me, as they serve as a double tag and are almost fully covered by the two separate tags. Also, this kind of double tag seems even less useful if applied to other form tags. The tags, however, are also badly phrased in my opinion, as the "on" in the tag doesn't fully describe that it's a character with a certain type of genitalia, it could be misinterpreted as a separate humanoid character putting their genitalia on them.

It was suggested to me privately that feral_with_humanoid_genitalia might be a better alternative. Though that might be a discussion for another day.

Is there a reason you chose to invalidate, rather than say, alias the tags listed here (pages 1-5)?

For example, wouldn't aliasing scalie; to scalie, cub/adult to adult_on_young, and so on, be better?

I believe there are still a few valid tags caught in the crossfire, like cum through skirt and cum through dress. There's also panties_on_feral and lingerie_on_feral, which had been canonised with implications

snpthecat said:
Is there a reason you chose to invalidate, rather than say, alias the tags listed here (pages 1-5)?

For example, wouldn't aliasing scalie; to scalie, cub/adult to adult_on_young, and so on, be better?

I believe there are still a few valid tags caught in the crossfire, like cum through skirt and cum through dress. There's also panties_on_feral and lingerie_on_feral, which had been canonised with implications

Most of those had very little use. It seemed excessive to alias away things that had been used only once or were added by a single user. So, for most of these, I removed the tag from the post and just marked the tag as invalid. That doesn't stop anyone from requesting those tags to be aliased to something more fitting. However, I'd argue it really isn't necessary for most of these.
I've restored cum through skirt and cum through dress for now.
Also, just because a tag has implications, it doesn't make it immune to being changed or aliased away.

slyroon said:

Also, just because a tag has implications, it doesn't make it immune to being changed or aliased away.

That is true, but wouldn't it be better to have the implications removed if it's going to be an invalid tag? Implications usually indicate that the tag is legitimate/should be used

The bulk update request #9441 is active.

create implication humanoid_genitalia_on_feral (2234) -> humanoid_genitalia (492732)

Reason: missing implication

EDIT: The bulk update request #9441 (forum #421655) has been approved by @spe.

The bulk update request #9441 (forum #421655) has been approved by @spe.

I was gonna say, "wait, maybe we should talk about renaming the tag first?" but that tag already has a ton of things aliased to/implying it and we could just move all of these over with a regular alias anyway.