I seem to recall that these used to be valid tags, but they appear to now be invalid (though there are still lots of posts tagged with them). Does anyone know when this change happened or why? These seem like useful tags.
Topic: Why are "panties_on_feral" and "lingerie_on_feral" invalid?
Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions
snpthecat said:
A lot of these recent tag invalidations are from slyroon
Well, that answers half of my question (when), but still leaves the other half (why).
It's because they're overly specific combination tags that are better searched using a string: clothed_feral panties or clothed_feral lingerie
wandering_spaniel said:
It's because they're overly specific combination tags that are better searched using a string: clothed_feral panties or clothed_feral lingerie
Shouldn't they be aliased away then, instead of being left in the Invalid category that requires people to manually remove?
watsit said:
Shouldn't they be aliased away then, instead of being left in the Invalid category that requires people to manually remove?
Agreed, I'm not sure what the reason was or if it was maybe a mistake. I've asked Slyroon 👍
At least it seems that both of the implied tags for panties_on_feral are added.
panties_on_feral -panties / panties_on_feral -clothed_feral
lingerie_on_feral -lingerie / lingerie_on_feral -clothed_feral
An alias would be harmless, now for the panties/lingerie_on_feral tags. The dragon/gryphon_on_feral tags should probably be left invalid, not aliased.
snpthecat said:
A lot of these recent tag invalidations are from slyroon
Please don't insinuate that he was the soul body behind this decision. While you folks might not see all the discussions before an action happens, we do debate things before taking action.
versperus said:
Please don't insinuate that he was the soul body behind this decision. While you folks might not see all the discussions before an action happens, we do debate things before taking action.
I think SNP was simply observing the fact that the invalidations were instituted by Slyroon. That is true, and that's all we can see.
versperus said:
Please don't insinuate that he was the soul body behind this decision. While you folks might not see all the discussions before an action happens, we do debate things before taking action.
subtlereminder said:
I think SNP was simply observing the fact that the invalidations were instituted by Slyroon. That is true, and that's all we can see.
And he did say in the other thread "I might have been too fast in invalidating those ... I initially had a few issues with the tags. Those tags seem superfluous to me ...", suggesting these invalidations were more of a spontaneous decision on his part that he didn't fully consider the implications of invalidating. But isn't this why even moderators and admins make BURs, to drive discussion and get feedback on from the site users? Unless it's a admin decision done by fiat, one which isn't open to public/user discussion, shouldn't there be public/user discussion on the site? In this case, we would've been able to inform about the utility of the humanoid_genitalia_on_feral tags to avoid invalidating them, while also bringing up that the ones that can possibly be invalidated like the panties/lingerie_on_feral tags should be aliased rather than simply moved to the Invalid category.
versperus said:
Please don't insinuate that he was the soul body behind this decision. While you folks might not see all the discussions before an action happens, we do debate things before taking action.
either way, this should have been a discussion that was held publicly. I understand that there are some situations where a tag _needs_ to be dealt with or something is just too big and a BUR discussion would likely yeild no useful information, but that dosn't seem like the situation here. having discussions for tags like these behind closed doors seems really weird, and taking actions like this without having an explanation is just unuseful, it's how we get situations like Millcore removing the alias from succubus while leaving all the other similar tags aliased to demon without ever having said anything about it, (heck, she'd never even uttered the words "demon" or "succubus" on the site once!).
the reason behind these kinds of changes should be public.
dba_afish said:
the reason behind these kinds of changes should be public.
I can see why the admins have the power to institute tag changes unilaterally. I would assume it's mostly to deal with emergency situations, like trolling/spam/griefing. I am curious how often admins circumvent the BUR system for routine tag changes, and why they would do so.
subtlereminder said:
I can see why the admins have the power to institute tag changes unilaterally. I would assume it's mostly to deal with emergency situations, like trolling/spam/griefing. I am curious how often admins circumvent the BUR system for routine tag changes, and why they would do so.
outside of artist names being aliased together upon request and that kinda stuff, it's fairly rare since the NG version of the site was released (which came with the proper AIBUR voting system we've got now), although there were still a few tagname unification projects, (in the vein of cow, bull -> cattle) that were just so obvious that discussion would kind of be pointless.
more recently, from memory, we had a few lore tags created and a few tags moved to the meta category without discussion, but really not that much.
watsit said:
They can be aliased too, to dragon and gryphon respectively. There's no reason to leave them around in the Invalid category to be manually cleaned up when used.
Interspecies might be a good target
Edit: disregard, sorry, I misread it as dragon_on_gryphon
dba_afish said:
outside of artist names being aliased together upon request and that kinda stuff, it's fairly rare since the NG version of the site was released (which came with the proper AIBUR voting system we've got now), although there were still a few tagname unification projects, (in the vein of cow, bull -> cattle) that were just so obvious that discussion would kind of be pointless.
Ah, okay.
Yeah, some of these recent changes instituted by Slyroon seem a lot less obvious and a lot more debatable.
subtlereminder said:
I can see why the admins have the power to institute tag changes unilaterally. I would assume it's mostly to deal with emergency situations, like trolling/spam/griefing. I am curious how often admins circumvent the BUR system for routine tag changes, and why they would do so.
Not very often in recent times. Sometimes an admin changes a disambiguation tag to invalid after an alias from a tag to it's disambiguation is made (but without the corresponding category change), and there was this one event where all the _(disambiguation) tags got a mass category update to invalid
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wandering_spaniel said:
Interspecies might be a good target
Edit: disregard, sorry, I misread it as dragon_on_gryphon
Even then, I think it's best to alias tags to the tag they start with if possible, unless there's a compelling reason to do different. As it is, if you type in dragon, the first two autocompletes are for penis and pokemon (because of the dragon_penis -> penis and dragon_typed_pokémon -> pokemon aliases) which have more uses, putting dragon itself as the third recommendation.
Well, I was saying that the *species*_on_feral tags are not worth worrying about and will get removed, anyways as they get retagged. I'm actually curious how you'd search for the seeming intent of those tags. It feels like this was an attempt to extend human_on_feral (which obviously is aliased), that went nowhere. Has anyone asked the people that created it or used it early on?
They literally would be equivalent to dragon+sex+feral+anthro+bestiality and gryphon+sex+feral+anthro+bestiality, and thus pointless?