Topic: [APPROVED] Unnecessary (artist) suffix alias BUR

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Song

Janitor

The bulk update request #9625 is active.

create alias famir_(artist) (18) -> famir (793)
create alias ponporio_(artist) (3) -> ponporio (691)
remove alias fourssss (2173) -> fours_(artist) (0)
remove alias jin&tonic (0) -> jinti_(artist) (5)
remove alias jintonic (0) -> jinti_(artist) (5)

Reason: Aliasing away some unwanted suffixed versions for artist names. I asked other staff to be sure, and policy is to keep the artist name unsuffixed unless it absolutely needs to be for disambiguation purposes. If they have a character with the same name, policy is to only keep the character name suffixed - it keeps the artist more easily searchable just by typing their handle.

"Famir" can be a proper name, but it has no character tag entries outside of the artist-owned famir_(character). Future characters with that name should be disambiguated with famir_(<character owner name>) as they appear.

"Ponporio" has no other results in a search, so it's safe to alias into the base tag.

"Fours" is a math term, but is very unlikely to be tagged in an image, so it's safe to alias the suffixed artist name into the base tag.

"Jinti" doesn't have any other results, so it's safe to alias into the base term.

More BURs or alias threads will be made as they appear in cases with large tag counts like these.

EDIT: Blocking transitive relationships are being looked at.

EDIT: The bulk update request #9625 (forum #423972) has been approved by @spe.

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Watsit

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song said:
create alias fourssss (0) -> fours (2125)
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create alias fours_(artist) (16) -> fours (2125)

fours is a bit ambiguous, isn't it? A misspelling of all fours, or meaning quadruped or quad.

Song

Janitor

watsit said:
fours is a bit ambiguous, isn't it? A misspelling of all fours, or meaning quadruped or quad.

Yeah, it's been mistagged several times, probably due to newer users not knowing to use underscores for spaces in all_fours: https://e621.net/post_versions?commit=Search&search%5Btags_removed%5D=fours

I think it's okay in this case since it's a typo that's not made super often, not a synonym or alias for a term. A user can quickly recognize they tagged the artist by mistake and remove it. We also want to get ahead of the _(artist) suffix trend as much as possible, and every artist with the suffix encourages newer users and artists to do the same, even when unwanted or unneeded.

Song

Janitor

snpthecat said:
Will there now be a continual effort to un_(artist)ise the artists?

It's been ongoing, but limited to cases where there's no ambiguity in the name and other terms. Artists like pig will still be pig_(artist). The easiest way to search is starting with a base such as *_(artist) and adding modifiers like tagcount to catch small fry before they become a 100+ post quagmire. Another avenue is making changing tag categories a clearer process so artists don't think adding the suffix will automatically do that for them. It's going to keep being an ongoing thing though with BURs reserved for larger cases where vanilla e621 tag scripting of manually clicking each image is too tedious.

Watsit

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song said:
A user can quickly recognize they tagged the artist by mistake and remove it.

Plenty of posters leave bad/inapplicable tags they added when posting. We wouldn't need so many aliases and Invalid tags if posters fixed their mistags. And for other taggers seeing it later, collaborations aren't uncommon, so a piece of art having a second artist tag and a different style doesn't mean the artist fours couldn't have had a hand in it. I'd be super wary about removing artist tags if I can't be sure the artist couldn't have helped, even if there's a possibility it was a mistag. For example, I think someone mistagged wooled on post #5114486, but there's no indication they didn't help on it, so I could be removing a valid tag if I remove it. There's no source either to check if it's mentioned there, so short of someone asking one of them directly, there's no way to know whether the tag should be removed or not, and many people aren't going to want contact artists to check on occasional posts having a potential mistag, so will instead be more prone to leave it.

Compared to General tags, Artist, Character, and Lore tags aren't as easily removable if added by mistake since they require someone with more knowledge beyond what's seen in the image. So IMO, they should have stronger protections against accidental mistags.

Clawstripe

Janitor

I have to agree with Watsit about just using fours. Fours is easily mistaggable, maybe not enough for a disambiguation, but enough that clean up will need to be done at times. Many Users don't seem to bother to doublecheck their tags after upload, and even when they do, it's still pretty easy to miss a mistag, especially when there's a lot of tags. A fresh pair of eyes can notice a mistag in the General tags, but it's much harder in the other categories.

I think the better solution is to either keep fours_(artist) or use fourssss as the artist tag. In fact, it was the latter that I thought would be done above.

Song

Janitor

The bulk update request #9634 is active.

remove alias fours_(artist) (0) -> fours (0)
remove alias fourssss (2173) -> fours (0)

Reason: Taking the above comments to heart, part 1 of aliasing fours_(artist) to fourssss and omitting fours due to risk of typos when all_fours is intended.

This matches the artist's Fur Affinity and Patreon account names while avoiding an _(artist) suffix. A follow-up will be made once this BUR is accepted to alias fours_(artist) to fourssss and update existing fours tags.

EDIT: The bulk update request #9634 (forum #424020) has been approved by @spe.

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