Topic: unnecessary Warriors character suffixes

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #9630 is pending approval.

remove implication alderheart_(warriors) (20) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication ambermoon_(warriors) (2) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication antpelt_(warriors) (3) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication appledusk_(warriors) (3) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication ashfoot_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication ashfur_(warriors) (200) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication aspenfall_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication barkface_(warriors) (2) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication bayshine_(warriors) (6) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication beetail_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication berryheart_(warriors) (3) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication berrynose_(warriors) (7) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication billystorm_(warriors) (2) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication birchface_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication birchfall_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication bouncefire_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication brackenfur_(warriors) (15) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication brambleberry_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication breezepelt_(warriors) (31) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication briarlight_(warriors) (7) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication brindleface_(warriors) (7) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication bristlebark_(warriors) (4) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication bristlefrost_(warriors) (14) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication brokenstar_(warriors) (21) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication brook_where_small_fish_swim_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)

Reason: I have no idea why every single one of these characters is given a suffix. Most of them are unique names. If another character or artist with that name is tagged in the future, we can disambiguate then.
Also, this has lead to tags like frecklewish_(skyclan)_(warriors) and frecklewish_(thunderclan)_(warriors), which is super ugly and completely unnecessary. They don't need that second suffix, *_(skyclan) and *_(thunderclan) are fine.

(Please let me know if you spot any that should retain the suffix due to conflicts I missed!)

After:
alias alderheart_(warriors) -> alderheart
imply alderheart -> warriors_(book_series)
alias ambermoon_(warriors) -> ambermoon
imply ambermoon -> warriors_(book_series)
alias antpelt_(warriors) -> antpelt
imply antpelt -> warriors_(book_series)
alias appledusk_(warriors) -> appledusk
imply appledusk -> warriors_(book_series)
alias ashfoot_(warriors) -> ashfoot
imply ashfoot -> warriors_(book_series)
update ashfur_(warriors) -> ashfur_(thunderclan)
imply ashfur_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
alias aspenfall_(warriors) -> aspenfall
imply aspenfall -> warriors_(book_series)
alias barkface_(warriors) -> barkface
imply barkface -> warriors_(book_series)
alias bayshine_(warriors) -> bayshine
imply bayshine -> warriors_(book_series)
alias beetail_(warriors) -> beetail
imply beetail -> warriors_(book_series)
alias berryheart_(warriors) -> berryheart
imply berryheart -> warriors_(book_series)
alias berrynose_(warriors) -> berrynose
imply berrynose -> warriors_(book_series)
alias billystorm_(warriors) -> billystorm

imply billystorm -> warriors_(book_series)
alias birchface_(warriors) -> birchface
imply birchface -> warriors_(book_series)
alias birchfall_(warriors) -> birchfall
imply birchfall -> warriors_(book_series)
alias bouncefire_(warriors) -> bouncefire
imply bouncefire -> warriors_(book_series)
alias brackenfur_(warriors) -> brackenfur
imply brackenfur -> warriors_(book_series)
alias brambleberry_(warriors) -> brambleberry
imply brambleberry -> warriors_(book_series)
alias breezepelt_(warriors) -> breezepelt
imply breezepelt -> warriors_(book_series)
alias briarlight_(warriors) -> briarlight
imply briarlight -> warriors_(book_series)
alias brindleface_(warriors) -> brindleface
imply brindleface -> warriors_(book_series)
alias bristlebark_(warriors) -> bristlebark
imply bristlebark -> warriors_(book_series)
alias bristlefrost_(warriors) -> bristlefrost
imply bristlefrost -> warriors_(book_series)
alias brokenstar_(warriors) -> brokenstar
imply brokenstar -> warriors_(book_series)
alias brook_where_small_fish_swim_(warriors) -> brook_where_small_fish_swim
imply brook_where_small_fish_swim -> warriors_(book_series)

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Updated

Watsit

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Many of these feel suitably generic. I could imagine names like ambermoon or barkface popping up elsewhere. brightsky could also be confused for a literal bright sky. brightheart sounds like a carebear.

watsit said:
Many of these feel suitably generic. I could imagine names like ambermoon or barkface popping up elsewhere. brightsky could also be confused for a literal bright sky. brightheart sounds like a carebear.

None of them have, though - if they do in the future, we can disambiguate them then. As of now they are unique on-site.

Removed brightsky and brightheart (you're right, there's bright_heart_raccoon)

Watsit

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wandering_spaniel said:
None of them have, though - if they do in the future, we can disambiguate them then. As of now they are unique on-site.

A name shouldn't need to have multiple current uses to warrant a disambiguation suffix, if it's built from common words or is an apparent risk of being used for other things in the future. Disambiguations can take a while to get done, especially if they have aliases and implications that need to be undone and redone first, followed by getting people used to using the suffixed name after they've grown accustomed to the unsuffixed one, causing more cleanup work. It's just less hassle to just have a suffix to start with for at-risk names, especially if it already has a suffix, instead of waiting for it to become a problem.

I personally prefer to have suffixes for most character tags if possible, just because it’s so easy for anyone to come up with a new character with the same name as another character, no matter how unique that name might sound. Character tags are unique in the sense that people can basically just make up new character tags whenever they want, so this is a unique problem not shared with the other tag categories. People are constantly making new characters, so it’s likely that some of these will eventually become ambiguous with someone’s OC or some character in a new piece of media at some point - or even already is ambiguous with a character that either hasn’t been posted here or was never tagged with the character. While it’s true that disambiguating tags later isn’t too hard, it’s just easier if we never have to unfuck the tags that were originally fine before being unsuffixed.

I sorta just like being consistent, too. If most of these characters need suffixes already, I like to just have all of them have it. Also, it’s kinda nice to see at a glance what a character tag belongs to without having to open the wiki (plus a lot of character tags don’t even have wikis). I’ve seen so many random character tags with no wiki and no implications and having no idea what the character is supposed to be from - especially on posts with a lot of characters.

my little pony uses the similar naming scheme for characters to warrior cats and almost all character tags use the mlp bracket. not to mention its uncommonness of names compared to warriors.

The bulk update request #9641 is pending approval.

remove implication ashfur_(warriors) (200) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication frecklewish_(skyclan)_(warriors) (2) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication frecklewish_(thunderclan)_(warriors) (2) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication mintfur_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication mistlekit_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication molewhisker_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication nightstar_(warriors) (5) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication oatwhisker_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication rabbitleap_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication rushtail_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication stagleap_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication swallowtail_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication thrushpelt_(warriors) (2) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove alias tigerclaw_(warriors) (0) -> tigerstar_(warriors) (150)
remove implication tigerstar_(warriors) (150) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication tigerheart_(warriors) (6) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication wrenflight_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)

Reason: Understood. Can we at least remove the double suffixes for characters within the series that share names? There are a lot of these in the series. Also formerly-Tigerheart has been named Tigerstar for several years now, we've just never updated his tag due to the name conflict, so might as well fix that too.
The new suffixes chosen are how the Warriors wiki and wider fandom refers to them. Clan/group suffixes when they are in different clans or groups, or arc/book suffixes when they are in the same clan or group.

Sources

https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Applefur
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Ashfur
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Coco
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Coriander
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Emberkit
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Frecklewish
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Hawk
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Mintfur
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Mist
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Mistlekit
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Molewhisker
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Mudclaw
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Nightstar
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Oatwhisker
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Pouncetail
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Rabbitleap
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Reedshine
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Rushtail
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Stagleap
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Stoatfur
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Swallowtail
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Thrushpelt
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Tigerstar
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Wrenflight

After
update ashfur_(warriors) -> ashfur_(thunderclan)
imply ashfur_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(series)
alias frecklewish_(skyclan)_(warriors) -> frecklewish_(skyclan)
imply frecklewish_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
alias frecklewish_(thunderclan)_(warriors) -> frecklewish_(thunderclan)
imply frecklewish_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update mintfur_(warriors) -> mintfur_(skyclan)
imply mintfur_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update mistlekit_(warriors) -> mistlekit_(thunderclan)
imply mistlekit_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update molewhisker_(warriors) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply molewhisker_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update nightstar_(warriors) -> nightstar_(shadowclan)
imply nightstar_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update oatwhisker_(warriors) -> oatwhisker_(windclan)
imply oatwhisker_(windclan) -> warriors_(series)
update rabbitleap_(warriors) -> rabbitleap_(skyclan)
imply rabbitleap_(skyclan) -> warriors_(series)
update rushtail_(warriors) -> rushtail_(windclan)
imply rushtail_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update stagleap_(warriors) -> stagleap_(windclan)
imply stagleap_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update swallowtail_(warriors) -> swallowtail_(windclan)
imply swallowtail_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update thrushpelt_(warriors) -> thrushpelt_(thunderclan)

imply thrushpelt_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update tigerstar_(warriors) -> tigerstar_(the_prophecies_begin)
alias tigerclaw_(warriors) -> tigerstar_(the_prophecies_begin)
imply tigerstar_(the_prophecies_begin) -> warriors_(book_series)
alias tigerheart_(warriors) -> tigerstar_(a_vision_of_shadows)
imply tigerstar_(a_vision_of_shadows) -> warriors_(book_series)
update wrenflight_(warriors) -> wrenflight_(windclan)
imply wrenflight_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply applefur_(tigerclaw's_fury) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply applefur_(omen_of_the_stars) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply ashfur_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply coco_(daisy's_kin) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply coco_(pebbleshine's_kits) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply coriander_(daisy's_kin) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply coriander_(bramblestar's_storm) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply emberkit_(cloudstar's_journey) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply emberkit_(dawn_of_the_clans) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply hawk_(the_sisters) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply hawk_(riverstar's_home) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mintfur_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mist_(crookedstar's_promise) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mist_(riverstar's_home) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mistlekit_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply molewhisker_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mudclaw_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)

imply mudclaw_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply nightstar_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply oatwhisker_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply pouncetail_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply pouncetail_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply rabbitleap_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply reedshine_(mapleshade's_vengeance) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply reedshine_(code_of_the_clans) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply rushtail_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply stagleap_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply stoatfur_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply stoatfur_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply swallowtail_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply thrushpelt_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply wrenflight_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)

(Also I'm aware of the MLP tag suffixes and I don't like those either lol. If this BUR had been well received that would've been my next step)

wandering_spaniel said:
The bulk update request #9641 is pending approval.

remove implication ashfur_(warriors) (200) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication frecklewish_(skyclan)_(warriors) (2) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication frecklewish_(thunderclan)_(warriors) (2) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication mintfur_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication mistlekit_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication molewhisker_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication nightstar_(warriors) (5) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication oatwhisker_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication rabbitleap_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication rushtail_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication stagleap_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication swallowtail_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication thrushpelt_(warriors) (2) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove alias tigerclaw_(warriors) (0) -> tigerstar_(warriors) (150)
remove implication tigerstar_(warriors) (150) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication tigerheart_(warriors) (6) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)
remove implication wrenflight_(warriors) (1) -> warriors_(book_series) (2467)

Reason: Understood. Can we at least remove the double suffixes for characters within the series that share names? There are a lot of these in the series. Also formerly-Tigerheart has been named Tigerstar for several years now, we've just never updated his tag due to the name conflict, so might as well fix that too.
The new suffixes chosen are how the Warriors wiki and wider fandom refers to them. Clan/group suffixes when they are in different clans or groups, or arc/book suffixes when they are in the same clan or group.

Sources

https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Applefur
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Ashfur
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Coco
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Coriander
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Emberkit
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Frecklewish
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Hawk
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Mintfur
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Mist
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Mistlekit
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Molewhisker
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Mudclaw
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Nightstar
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Oatwhisker
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Pouncetail
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Rabbitleap
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Reedshine
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Rushtail
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Stagleap
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Stoatfur
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Swallowtail
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Thrushpelt
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Tigerstar
https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Wrenflight

After
update ashfur_(warriors) -> ashfur_(thunderclan)
imply ashfur_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(series)
alias frecklewish_(skyclan)_(warriors) -> frecklewish_(skyclan)
imply frecklewish_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
alias frecklewish_(thunderclan)_(warriors) -> frecklewish_(thunderclan)
imply frecklewish_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update mintfur_(warriors) -> mintfur_(skyclan)
imply mintfur_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update mistlekit_(warriors) -> mistlekit_(thunderclan)
imply mistlekit_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update molewhisker_(warriors) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply molewhisker_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update nightstar_(warriors) -> nightstar_(shadowclan)
imply nightstar_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update oatwhisker_(warriors) -> oatwhisker_(windclan)
imply oatwhisker_(windclan) -> warriors_(series)
update rabbitleap_(warriors) -> rabbitleap_(skyclan)
imply rabbitleap_(skyclan) -> warriors_(series)
update rushtail_(warriors) -> rushtail_(windclan)
imply rushtail_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update stagleap_(warriors) -> stagleap_(windclan)
imply stagleap_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update swallowtail_(warriors) -> swallowtail_(windclan)
imply swallowtail_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update thrushpelt_(warriors) -> thrushpelt_(thunderclan)

imply thrushpelt_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
update tigerstar_(warriors) -> tigerstar_(the_prophecies_begin)
alias tigerclaw_(warriors) -> tigerstar_(the_prophecies_begin)
imply tigerstar_(the_prophecies_begin) -> warriors_(book_series)
alias tigerheart_(warriors) -> tigerstar_(a_vision_of_shadows)
imply tigerstar_(a_vision_of_shadows) -> warriors_(book_series)
update wrenflight_(warriors) -> wrenflight_(windclan)
imply wrenflight_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply applefur_(tigerclaw's_fury) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply applefur_(omen_of_the_stars) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply ashfur_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply coco_(daisy's_kin) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply coco_(pebbleshine's_kits) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply coriander_(daisy's_kin) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply coriander_(bramblestar's_storm) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply emberkit_(cloudstar's_journey) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply emberkit_(dawn_of_the_clans) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply hawk_(the_sisters) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply hawk_(riverstar's_home) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mintfur_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mist_(crookedstar's_promise) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mist_(riverstar's_home) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mistlekit_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply molewhisker_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply mudclaw_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)

imply mudclaw_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply nightstar_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply oatwhisker_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply pouncetail_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply pouncetail_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply rabbitleap_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply reedshine_(mapleshade's_vengeance) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply reedshine_(code_of_the_clans) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply rushtail_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply stagleap_(thunderclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply stoatfur_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply stoatfur_(shadowclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply swallowtail_(riverclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply thrushpelt_(windclan) -> warriors_(book_series)
imply wrenflight_(skyclan) -> warriors_(book_series)

(Also I'm aware of the MLP tag suffixes and I don't like those either lol. If this BUR had been well received that would've been my next step)

Bump, would love to fix the double suffixes

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