Aliasing alice_madness_returns -> alice:_madness_returns.

Reason: Same thing.

EarthFurst2 said:
Aliasing alice_madness_returns -> alice:_madness_returns.

Reason: Same thing.

I dont see the reason for the : to even be there.

Conker said:
I dont see the reason for the : to even be there.

There is a colon in the title of the videogame ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice:_Madness_Returns ).

Alternately, both could alias to american_mcgee's_alice, since Alice MR is a sequel to AM Alice.

EarthFurst2 said:
There is a colon in the title of the videogame ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice:_Madness_Returns ).

Alternately, both could alias to american_mcgee's_alice, since Alice MR is a sequel to AM Alice.

Thats over doing it, thats a wiki entry, there is a colon in all of them. However for tagging the : seems unnecessary as I already said.

Also I am going to guess no one know who American mcgee even is...I dont even know. We shouldnt make the tags unnecessary or confusing now. I think we should keep it as it is.

EarthFurst2 said:
Alternately, both could alias to american_mcgee's_alice, since Alice MR is a sequel to AM Alice.

That's probably the best solution. I don't think there's anything tagged with Madness Returns that couldn't just as easily be based on the original.

Would rather see an alias to Alice:_Madness_Returns, as in original post, an implication to American McGee copyright tag for this tag, and an implication for American_McGee's_Alice to the copyright tag as well. Content from one game is not necessarily in the second, and vice versa; What you're suggesting is similar to suggesting that Gen 1 ponies are the same as FiM ponies and FiM should be aliased to MLP because of that.

Conker said:
Thats over doing it, thats a wiki entry, there is a colon in all of them. However for tagging the : seems unnecessary as I already said.

Also I am going to guess no one know who American mcgee even is...I dont even know. We shouldnt make the tags unnecessary or confusing now. I think we should keep it as it is.

http://www.ea.com/alice Maybe try checking the references on the wiki entry instead of dismissing it out of hand for being a wiki entry.

123easy said:
What you're suggesting is similar to suggesting that Gen 1 ponies are the same as FiM ponies and FiM should be aliased to MLP because of that.

Not really. It's more similar to suggesting that a friendship_is_magic_season_2 tag is unnecessary.

DrHorse said:
Not really. It's more similar to suggesting that a friendship_is_magic_season_2 tag is unnecessary.

Not at all, since seasons of shows are more akin to chapters in a single book, while games, even sequels, are more akin to entire books in series. Thus the relation of one generation of pony to another.

123easy said:
Not at all, since seasons of shows are more akin to chapters in a single book, while games, even sequels, are more akin to entire books in series. Thus the relation of one generation of pony to another.

No, a chapter of a book is most like an episode, a book like a season, and a series of books like the entire show. You don't usually have 1 chapter books.

But more to the point, a remake like G1 to G4 is a completely different concept entirely. It's apples to oranges.

DrHorse said:
No, a chapter of a book is most like an episode, a book like a season, and a series of books like the entire show. You don't usually have 1 chapter books.

But more to the point, a remake like G1 to G4 is a completely different concept entirely. It's apples to oranges.

Where are you getting one chapter books? Are you referring to one season shows in exemplis? If so, there are plenty of examples in manga and manwha alone, termed one-shots. There are also books, admittedly usually geared for younger audiences (much like MLP is) that are a single chapter as well. And if we look at ancient civilizations, papyrus and parchment scrolls were single chapter texts that were officially termed as individual books in a series. One could even argue many Western comic books lack chapters within a single book, and thus can be called one chapter books, as well.

As for your second comparison, apples and oranges are actually remarkably similar, least of all because they're both fruit. Many other languages specifically call oranges 'golden apples' or 'Chinese apples'. Dealing with the fruit itself, rather than just the name and etymologies of the words, they're both edible, have seeded and seedless cultivars, are grown in orchards for human consumption, grown upon trees, are naturally sweet, can be juiced, are similar in size, shape, and weight, and many more similarities. About the only differences they have are flavour, rind vs. skin, and natural flesh division. So, actually, even by your metric of apples and oranges, G1 and G4 are remarkably similar, with some small differences which I would easily concede- Personality and art style primarily.

You don't generally read an entire book or watch a full season in one sitting, so season = book.

Comparing a remake to a direct sequel is comparing apples to oranges. The comparision of G1 and G4 is irrelevant.

Anyway, I suggest:
alias alice_madness_returns -> alice:_madness_returns
alias alice:_madness_returns -> american_mcgee's_alice

DrHorse said:
That's probably the best solution. I don't think there's anything tagged with Madness Returns that couldn't just as easily be based on the original.

Wrong, there is some art on this site that has images of madness returns, as the chars look different from say the Disney one. But just the tag Alice_in_wonderland should work just fine

DrHorse said:
You don't generally read an entire book or watch a full season in one sitting, so season = book.

Comparing a remake to a direct sequel is comparing apples to oranges. The comparision of G1 and G4 is irrelevant.

Anyway, I suggest:
alias alice_madness_returns -> alice:_madness_returns
alias alice:_madness_returns -> american_mcgee's_alice

If the second alias you are suggesting is meant to be an implication, agreed. Else, no.

As for reading an entire book in one sitting- yes, commonly. Same with watching full seasons, or even entire series. It is much easier to wait for a series to finish then watch it all together than waiting for the weekly release of episodes for 13 weeks of a 52 week cycle (more or less, if the next season doesn't start at the same time as the previous).

Lastly, remake versus a direct sequel? Are you saying that Madness Returns is a remake? Because if so, you're far from right in that regard. There were plans for a remake of the game way back when there were plans for a movie based on the original, but that fell through, and eventually we instead got a sequel. As well, G1 and G4 ponies, while within the same franchise and universe as each other, are obviously not set in the same timeframe, and primarily thus G4 is a sequel to G1. Not irrelevant at all, when you actually pay attention to what is being said.

123easy said:
Lastly, remake versus a direct sequel? Are you saying that Madness Returns is a remake? Because if so, you're far from right in that regard. There were plans for a remake of the game way back when there were plans for a movie based on the original, but that fell through, and eventually we instead got a sequel. As well, G1 and G4 ponies, while within the same franchise and universe as each other, are obviously not set in the same timeframe, and primarily thus G4 is a sequel to G1. Not irrelevant at all, when you actually pay attention to what is being said.

There's no continuity between G4 and G1. No seaponies, no shmooze, no tirek, the only link: toys. It's a remake, and a very loose one at that.

Madness Returns, on the other hand, is a direct sequel, made by the same guy, set 2 years after the first game with exactly the same characters.

Your comparison might make sense if the proposed alias were between the Alice in Wonderland and American Mcgee's Alice. That's actually analogous to the relationship between MLP and FiM.

123easy said:
If the second alias you are suggesting is meant to be an implication, agreed. Else, no.

You say you'd approve of an implication of the sequel to Mcgee's Alice. But once you get down to tertiary copyright tags, you have to ask yourself: does this really need it's own tag? Tell me, is Madness Returns different enough from the original to warrant three separate copyright tags on one post?

DrHorse said:
There's no continuity between G4 and G1. No seaponies, no shmooze, no tirek, the only link: toys. It's a remake, and a very loose one at that.

Madness Returns, on the other hand, is a direct sequel, made by the same guy, set 2 years after the first game with exactly the same characters.

Your comparison might make sense if the proposed alias were between the Alice in Wonderland and American Mcgee's Alice. That's actually analogous to the relationship between MLP and FiM.
You say you'd approve of an implication of the sequel to Mcgee's Alice. But once you get down to tertiary copyright tags, you have to ask yourself: does this really need it's own tag? Tell me, is Madness Returns different enough from the original to warrant three separate copyright tags on one post?

Actually, in the micro-series, Celestia has a flashback that includes a number of G1 ponies (There's a lot of other franchises that it connects Equestria to as well, interestingly enough). There are also a few ponies related to G1's; Twilight Sparkle, while inspired by G1 Twilight, is the daughter of Twilight Velvet, who is meant to actually BE Twilight from G1, as one example. It definitely doesn't seem like a remake either, but does still seem related, to me.

Note: All pony knowledge is from just looking it up, used because of a guess that you're a brony. I'm not a brony or anything, this is all info that you can find online.

American McGee's Alice and Alice: Madness Returns are two separate games under American McGee's copyright. I'll admit, while writing my response I read the second as an alias to American McGee, not American McGee's Alice. They should both implicate American McGee (which should be the copyright (owner) tag to both, like Wizards of the Coast is to Magic: the Gathering- which should be colon'd as well), and be two separate tags, is what I was trying to say. As for why the first is American McGee's Alice, not just Alice with the American McGee copyright tag- because that's the actual name of the game.

As for if they're different enough- Going by the majority of the art currently available, I would be forced to say no on that basis alone. However, Madness Returns features an older Alice, along with different weapons and enemies- most importantly, The Doll Maker, the main antagonist. Also, while the dress remains reminescent of the original Alice's dress/smock and apron combination, Alice herself looks considerably different between the two games- not just in-game, but in other media as well (see: the game covers).

123easy said:
As for if they're different enough- Going by the majority of the art currently available, I would be forced to say no on that basis alone. However, Madness Returns features an older Alice, along with different weapons and enemies- most importantly, The Doll Maker, the main antagonist. Also, while the dress remains reminescent of the original Alice's dress/smock and apron combination, Alice herself looks considerably different between the two games- not just in-game, but in other media as well (see: the game covers).

Yeah, only 3 out of 14 posts should have the tag. And 2 of those just because the ♀ on her pocket is upside down.

But I guess you're right: aliases aren't a cure for bad tagging.