Implicating choking → asphyxiation
Link to implication

Reason:

choke, choking is one of ways to cause asphyxiation

Breathplay is somewhere around too, hmm

Swiftkill said:
Implicating choking → asphyxiation
Link to implication

Reason:

choke, choking is one of ways to cause asphyxiation

Breathplay is somewhere around too, hmm

Choking is the state of being unable to breathe; asphyxiation is the state of having suffocated already. One is in the process of leading t the other, but they are not inherantly the same. Against alias.

agreed

123easy said:
Choking is the state of being unable to breathe; asphyxiation is the state of having suffocated already. One is in the process of leading t the other, but they are not inherantly the same. Against alias.

that's opposite to description of asphyxiation,as " condition in which one has a severe lack of oxygen, to the point where the body can not function properly. Posts with this tag show characters who appear to be suffocating, drowning, or in any way not being able to breathe" (so not dead already) plus is illogical from stand point of semantics
wouldn't be that suffocated or drowned?

choking doesn't have description and in English it also may mean 2) to strangle someone. Needs explanation in wiki now, those are ambiguous

Based on how tags are used now on site, chocking is mostly used as 2) meaning

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/choking

Swiftkill said:
that's opposite to description of asphyxiation,as " condition in which one has a severe lack of oxygen, to the point where the body can not function properly. Posts with this tag show characters who appear to be suffocating, drowning, or in any way not being able to breathe" (so not dead already) plus is illogical from stand point of semantics
wouldn't be that suffocated or drowned?

choking doesn't have description and in English it also may mean 2) to strangle someone. Needs explanation in wiki now, those are ambiguous

Based on how tags are used now on site, chocking is mostly used as 2) meaning

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/choking

https://e621.net/post/show/460213 is a good example of both choking (the thing is choking the crap out of whatever's on bottom) AND asphxiation (it's long since passed the point of being able to breathe, having suffocated already).

https://e621.net/post/show/455269 is a good example of choking (being unable to breathe) but NOT of asphyxiation (and so should have the tag removed) because she cannot breathe right that moment, but if the obstruction (the penis) were to be removed, she could easily breathe again. She is showing awareness, consciousness (prime tell for visual cue), and ability to still vocalize. None of these should be visible for any usage of asphyxiation.

asphyxiation.
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123easy said:
https://e621.net/post/show/460213 is a good example of both choking (the thing is choking the crap out of whatever's on bottom) AND asphxiation (it's long since passed the point of being able to breathe, having suffocated already).

https://e621.net/post/show/455269 is a good example of choking (being unable to breathe) but NOT of asphyxiation (and so should have the tag removed) because she cannot breathe right that moment, but if the obstruction (the penis) were to be removed, she could easily breathe again. She is showing awareness, consciousness (prime tell for visual cue), and ability to still vocalize. None of these should be visible for any usage of asphyxiation.

"Asphyxia or asphyxiation (from Greek α- "without" and σφύξις sphyxis, "heartbeat") is a condition of severely deficient supply of oxygen to the body that arises from abnormal breathing. An example of asphyxia is choking. Asphyxia causes generalized hypoxia, which primarily affects the tissues and organs. There are many circumstances that can induce asphyxia, all of which are characterized by an inability of an individual to acquire sufficient oxygen through breathing for an extended period of time. These circumstances can include but are not limited to: the constriction or obstruction of airways, such as from asthma, laryngospasm, or simple blockage from the presence of foreign materials; from being in environments where oxygen is not readily accessible: such as underwater, in a low oxygen atmosphere, or in a vacuum; environments where sufficiently oxygenated air is present, but cannot be adequately breathed because of air contamination such as excessive smoke. Asphyxia can cause coma or death."
Asphyxia can cause coma or death - it's not death from air deprieving itself.
Asphyxiation is process also, not only state.. Dunno why we have no erotic_asphyxiation tag, or autoerotic asphyxiation.. but I guess rarely someone would search images on those tags, that's why. again, tag wiki, dictionary and common sense. Stop inventing new meaning of words. And second picture you're linked clearly got tag asphyxiation (not me who added it there). Can't say anything about first one, it's not realistic at all - how one can say that victim there was suffocated? And wtf with that foam? CHoking doesn't cause that

Swiftkill said:
asphyxiation.

"Asphyxia or asphyxiation (from Greek α- "without" and σφύξις sphyxis, "heartbeat") is a condition of severely deficient supply of oxygen to the body that arises from abnormal breathing. An example of asphyxia is choking. Asphyxia causes generalized hypoxia, which primarily affects the tissues and organs. There are many circumstances that can induce asphyxia, all of which are characterized by an inability of an individual to acquire sufficient oxygen through breathing for an extended period of time. These circumstances can include but are not limited to: the constriction or obstruction of airways, such as from asthma, laryngospasm, or simple blockage from the presence of foreign materials; from being in environments where oxygen is not readily accessible: such as underwater, in a low oxygen atmosphere, or in a vacuum; environments where sufficiently oxygenated air is present, but cannot be adequately breathed because of air contamination such as excessive smoke. Asphyxia can cause coma or death."
Asphyxia can cause coma or death - it's not death from air deprieving itself.
Asphyxiation is process also, not only state.. Dunno why we have no erotic_asphyxiation tag, or autoerotic asphyxiation.. but I guess rarely someone would search images on those tags, that's why. again, tag wiki, dictionary and common sense. Stop inventing new meaning of words. And second picture you're linked clearly got tag asphyxiation (not me who added it there). Can't say anything about first one, it's not realistic at all - how one can say that victim there was suffocated? And wtf with that foam? CHoking doesn't cause that
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"...all of which are characterized by an inability of an individual to acquire sufficient oxygen through breathing for an extended period of time."

And thus my point. We use choking as the verb form; as in, they are currently choking (thus the criteria for choking separate from asphyxiation). Asphyxiation should be used for the point at which they have obviously suffered being unable to breathe long enough that she is going into hypoxia, or other common signs of longer-term oxygen deprivation- skin turning blue/red, eyes rolled up, foam around mouth, unconsciousness, etc; If it's not, then they should be aliased, because then they are being used interchangably rather than the separate terms' meanings. I'm not inventing a new meaning of the word here, at all. The foam is a cartoony visualization of having been choked to the point of asphyxiation/unconsciousness, btw.

Alias would wrong, because that would mean asphyxiation in any case is choking. " An example of asphyxia is choking. " That's what I meant. Ok, if we use chocking in that meaning, probably it should be stated on wiki page. Only admin can do that. That would exclude wrong tagging

Foam at mouth is result of blocking airways by liquid or mechanical object _in_ airways.. it's not happening when person strangled. Blue\red face while person isn't dead yet isn't result of asphyxiation- it's sign that instead of asphyxiation happens blood flow blocking - preventing blood to leave cranial area and thus increasing pressure - may happen quite quick during strangling (especially if attacker knows what he does and intentionally presses on side of neck to block vein) or hanged by neck, causes loss of consciousness within 10-15 seconds, and is more deadly than asphyxiation itself. Bluish color may appear after death due other reasons.

jeebus.

Here are a few examples of choking that clearly should not be tagged with asphyxiation.

post #463870

post #461114

post #461110

post #353989

In my opinion, the asphyxiation tag should be reserved for extreme breathplay (such as hanging or water boarding) or instances where there's a clear indication of oxygen deficiency (passing out, cyanosis, bulging eyes rolling back, etc.)

It's a bad implication, IMO.

Swiftkill said:
Alias would wrong, because that would mean asphyxiation in any case is choking. " An example of asphyxia is choking. " That's what I meant. Ok, if we use chocking in that meaning, probably it should be stated on wiki page. Only admin can do that. That would exclude wrong tagging

Foam at mouth is result of blocking airways by liquid or mechanical object _in_ airways.. it's not happening when person strangled. Blue\red face while person isn't dead yet isn't result of asphyxiation- it's sign that instead of asphyxiation happens blood flow blocking - preventing blood to leave cranial area and thus increasing pressure - may happen quite quick during strangling (especially if attacker knows what he does and intentionally presses on side of neck to block vein) or hanged by neck, causes loss of consciousness within 10-15 seconds, and is more deadly than asphyxiation itself. Bluish color may appear after death due other reasons.

That's the most hardcore form of choking, and therefor should receive the most hardcore of breathplay tags. Asphyxiation. A picture of a hanged skunk is completely different from Ren throttling Stimpy's neck for screwing up. Asphyxiation is a good distinguishing tag.

SirAntagonist said:
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I would actually agree with this

In my opinion, the asphyxiation tag should be reserved for extreme breathplay (such as hanging or water boarding) or instances where there's a clear indication of oxygen deficiency (passing out, cyanosis, bulging eyes rolling back, etc.)

It's a bad implication, IMO.

That's the most hardcore form of choking, and therefor should receive the most hardcore of breathplay tags. Asphyxiation. A picture of a hanged skunk is completely different from Ren throttling Stimpy's neck for screwing up. Asphyxiation is a good distinguishing tag.

In fact even choking like that may cause asphyxia quite quickly, if not limited or with one single motion done - if you hold partner's throat, be aware, how vulnerable they are , in fact. Waterboarding or hanging is _not_ breathplay it's deadly practice - torture and execution respectively. Hanged picture would be tagged as [snuff]] also. Stimpy would die in that picture in about 15 seconds if not released either

Swiftkill said:
In fact even choking like that may cause asphyxia quite quickly, if not limited or with one single motion done - if you hold partner's throat, be aware, how vulnerable they are , in fact. Waterboarding or hanging is _not_ breathplay it's deadly practice - torture and execution respectively. Hanged picture would be tagged as [snuff]] also. Stimpy would die in that picture in about 15 seconds if not released either

Uh, no. On average, the brain can survive 3 minutes without oxygen before death occurs. Some people can go without O2 as long as 17 minutes.

In context of the internet (i.e. a fantasy), hanging is breathplay in the same way evisceration is bloodplay. They're just the most extreme form of those 2 fetishes.

Asphyxiation STRONGLY connotates bodily harm, or a situation where the threat of dying is immediate or has already happened. This is not the case in instances where the choking may be playful or comedic. If a character has a scrape on their knee, we don't tag it with gore. The same way we wouldn't tag any of the pictures I showed with asphyxiation.

SirAntagonist said:
Uh, no. On average, the brain can survive 3 minutes without oxygen before death occurs. Some people can go without O2 as long as 17 minutes.

In context of the internet (i.e. a fantasy), hanging is breathplay in the same way evisceration is bloodplay. They're just the most extreme form of those 2 fetishes.

Asphyxiation STRONGLY connotates bodily harm, or a situation where the threat of dying is immediate or has already happened. This is not the case in instances where the choking may be playful or comedic. If a character has a scrape on their knee, we don't tag it with gore. The same way we wouldn't tag any of the pictures I showed with asphyxiation.

I like that comparison. Asphyxiation is to choking what gore is to a small amount of bleeding. A completely different beast that is within the same general sphere of influence but is so much more that it simply dwarfs the other concept.

I would say implication denied, all agreed?