Topic: Tag Alias: aqua_eyes -> blue_eyes

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

I would prepare a counterpoint with color tags, but I'm not allowed to use them.

Updated by anonymous

Now that Rainbow Dash has posted in this thread, I'd like to point out that aliasing aqua_eyes -> blue_eyes is a bad idea.

Y'know why? It's because cyan/aqua (see: Rainbow Dash) is different from blue (see: the background to the site).

Updated by anonymous

As GreyMaria said, these are different colors, altogether.

Magenta (fuchsia) is a color exactly midway between red and purple.
Aqua (cyan) is a color exactly midway between green and blue.

Most people can easily distinguish between these.

Here's a good source with an HSV standard color wheel about half-way down the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_wheel

Updated by anonymous

Unless you're completely colorblind, you'll have no trouble at all distinguishing between proper cyan/aqua and proper blue. Even partially colorblind people can tell something's up.

Updated by anonymous

But we are trying to consolidate colors to about the basic most ones, I know that aqua/cyan is midway, just as magent is (my own eyes, so I know it's not purple but still)

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The "most basic colors" are the three primary and three secondary colors. Red, green, blue, cyan, magenta, yellow.

Aside from these six "most basic colors" (three additive pigments, three subtractive pigments), you also have white and brown.

Pink is acceptable, I should guess, as long as the pink is an easily distinguishable rose-type pink. Somewhere between halfway between magenta and white... and white.

Purple is just a dark magenta with more blue in it. I'd say fudge magenta to purple. If it's not pink (above a certain brightness and below a certain saturation, with noticeably less blue than red), then it's purple.

So if'n you ask me, here's what we ought to have for eye colors, or for color tags in general:

- red
- orange
- yellow
- green
- cyan
- blue
- purple
- white
- gray
- pink
- brown
- black (not eyes)

This covers the extremes and every other color can be fudged to class as one of these twelve.

I'd go hit Paint to throw together a color swatch for definitive examples of each color, but... it's like 1:30 AM and this dolphin needs sleep.

...oh, and I suppose it may be worth considering dark green as "green" and neon green as "lime". Since there's certainly a massive difference between the two. Not that important, though, I suppose.

Updated by anonymous

I've seen images with all black eyes (sclera, iris, and color), so I think all acceptable colors should apply to eyes as well.

As for merging "magenta" with "purple" I'm against that. Magenta is as distinct from purple as yellow is distinct from red. I don't really think we can throw any of the three primary and secondary colors away. These are the most basic colors we have.

Other than my objection against eliminating magenta, I think GreyMaria's suggestion is just about perfect.

Furthermore, each color needs tags associated with eyes, fur, hair, skin (scales/feathers?) and probably background, because you'll see those colors used in all of those (except maybe for backgrounds, but there's no telling with artwork).

If you want to actually see these colors for comparison, just type the color name into a wikipedia search. Almost every color that has a name is represented there, along with an example shown against a white background.

As an aside, I'd also suggest that we need an alias between aqua and cyan -- flip a coin for the direction, although I think most people understand "aqua" and may be a bit confused over just what "cyan" means.

If we don't already have it, there also needs to be a similar alias between "grey" and "gray".

Updated by anonymous

RedRaven said:
Magenta (fuchsia) is a color exactly midway between red and purple.

Magenta is the color exactly halfway between red and blue. This is literally the physics of light, magenta ink filters out green leaving red and blue, magenta light is equal amounts of red and blue. Purple as a hue is often closer to blue than red, but otherwise has no specific definition. Often purple is a dark magenta, like how pink is a bright red.

At some point we need just a handful of colors on the color wheel. If we wanted equally spaced colors, we'd pick red, yellow, green, cyan, blue, magenta. In practice we don't see a change in hue evenly throughout the spectrum, so we throw colors in like orange, where we have better differentiation. Additionally we have colors that represent the impossible wavelengths (there is no "pink" or "purple" wavelength of light, it's mixtures of red, blue and/or white.)

In practice, we have tags relative to the thing being differentiated. Red hair is usually orange-ish. Green eyes are often blue and yellow. Pink eyes are different than red eyes. We have no tag for regular, flesh-colored nipples. And we tag blonde_hair, not yellow or gold.

So barring conventional usage, I'd prefer the six standard colors (red, yellow, green, cyan, blue, magenta) over colors that aren't well defined (pink, purple, indigo, orange, fuchsia).

Updated by anonymous

You're right ThenIThought. My mistake -- probably should not be up posting, but I can't sleep and didn't have much else to do. Magenta is, indeed, halfway between red and blue.

As for "fuchsia", I think this is generally taken to be a synonym for "magenta". I didn't check, but I doubt that there's even a tag for that. Most people don't even know how to spell it properly.

Updated by anonymous

Alright I agree with that color list except cyan can just be tossed in with blue, also I think we aliased all the gray_* tags but I could be wrong

Updated by anonymous

I guess "aqua" and "blue" isn't the same.

cyan=aqua = blue + green (~ b50/g50) - blue and green tint.
(light/dark) blue = clear blue - only blue tint.

violet = red + blue (~ r50/b50) - red and blue tint.
purple = violet + red (~ r75/b25) - red and blue tint.
pink = white + purple (~ w50/p50) - white, red and blue tint.
light red = red - only red tint.

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