So.. right now... the following tags are aliased:

1girl3guys -- invalid_tag
2girls -- female
2guys -- male
3girls --female
3guys -- male
4girls -- female
4guys -- male
5guys -- male

I think these ALIASES are honestly a pretty horrible idea. The 'reason' for these aliases is "we can see how many people of what gender are in a pic, thank you"... but by that argument, *all* tags are invalid. Often, you CAN'T tell what genders are in a picture based off of the thumbnail (and if you're looking at the full image, then you can also see that there's a fox, and a bird and that they're in the missionary position [missionary position -> sex "we can see what sexual position they're in, thank you"])... which is why we have tags. Also, for searching.

I can think of plenty of cases where one might want to search for, say, "3guys threesome" for an all-male mini-orgy or "2girls 1guy" or likewise.

Admittedly, there is some complication when you take into consideration the herm and intersex part of the fandom... but, at risk of over generalizing, we could just refer to herms, cuntboys, dick girls, futa, and so forth as 'other'. as in "2girl 3 guy 1other". You can add in 'cuntboy' or '-herm' as needed to refine your results.

I think it'd help, over all with the usability of e621 in general :)

it'd take a lot of retagging, but... everything has to start somewhere..

Horrible ideas give birth to new ideas. I got an idea. You're uploading an image tagged with [x]some or orgy. A field with a drop down menu must be completed. Let's say it was a foursome with two girls and two guys.

--Completed field example--

-Gender(s) in group is|are
[2] [male ]
Other gender? Yes (o) | No ( )
[2] [female]
Other gender? Yes ( ) | No (o)

-Sexual orientation(s) is|are
[Straight]
More orientations? Yes (o) | No ( )
[Lesbian ]
More orientations? Yes (o) | No ( )
[Bisexual]
More orientations? Yes ( ) | No (o)

Looking at the uploaded image adds a second list, above the tags.

GROUP IMAGE CONTENT
foursome [in light blue]
2 male
2 female
straight
lesbian
bisexual

How's that for an idea?

both ideas seem dumb :/

Aurali said:
both ideas seem dumb :/

Does this idea seem dumb? Yes (o) | No ( )

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Please tell me you don't mean it. Suggestions are accepted. If our ideas seem dumb, what's smarter than ours? I'm on the same boat as SnowWolf. I want the tagging to tell what's on the image than looking at it based on the thumbnail.

landlaw: a nice idea, but probably overcomplicated...

Aurali said:
both ideas seem dumb :/

but I'm confused as to why tagging 2girls 3girls 2guys 3guys and so forth seems dumb. Several other boorus do it... and past 'gay' and 'straight'... there's no way to specify, right now, if a threesome is 3 girls, 3 guys, 2 girls, 2 guys.. etc... and I know i can't be the only one who has 'preferences' in regard to the content of a picture... and I know some people are way more picky then I am...

so.. I guess, I'm asking.... why do you think it's dumb? this criticism is not constructive ;_;

SnowWolf said:
landlaw: a nice idea, but probably overcomplicated...

You wouldn't like my job. I like it overcomplicated. :)

Landlaw said:
You wouldn't like my job. I like it overcomplicated. :)

well, probably not now ;) but your'e not the one offering to program any sort of change like that up ;)

otherwise I imagine we'd be very happy if we could get some sort of system in where we could input Tag A, then ask the user about further tags (Ie, BREASTS! are there nipples? are they big boobs? are they small boobs? are there things happening to those nipples?) but that seems like such a HUGE programing change....

Is the opposite of aliasing, anti-aliasing?

I vote something else.

I think the conventional mentod is using a sequence of 'm' and 'f' (and h).

Like mmmf for three guys one girl. And of course within reasonable limits (like not having mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm for a 16 group male orgy). And each sequence denoting a specific interaction as opposed to the whole image at once. (so an image can contain both mm and ff tags, but wouldn't be mmff if it's in image of two males together, and two females together)

Also:

tony311 said:
Is the opposite of aliasing, anti-aliasing?

Yes, and off topic.

yeah, but generally speaking, I think the fact that our methods of mathematical notation has developed so that 1 and 9 take roughly the same amount of effort to write, or type, as opposed to a unary system which is basically what your'e proposing.

Plus, I really don't want to have to squint at my screen and go 'damn, is that 5 m's or 6 m's? I can't tell. I'm getting old :P

plus you have the issue of.. is it mmffoo? mooff? ffoomm? ffmmoo? mfomfo? the separate tags of 2guys 2girls 2other (or herm whatever) is 'easier' for the eyes to process and the brain to comprehend.

It's actually a really GOOD idea, and I like it... but I don't think it's superior to 3guys 2 girls...

Lyokira said:
I vote something else.

I think the conventional mentod is using a sequence of 'm' and 'f' (and h).

Like mmmf for three guys one girl. And of course within reasonable limits (like not having mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm for a 16 group male orgy). And each sequence denoting a specific interaction as opposed to the whole image at once. (so an image can contain both mm and ff tags, but wouldn't be mmff if it's in image of two males together, and two females together)

Eh, I don't really like this idea. I can just see the problems it would cause, using a different letter for each type of person. A picture with a guy, a girl, a dickgirl, a cuntboy and a herm would have so many different tagging combinations that I would probably bash my head against a wall wondering why, why, WHY I ever agreed to this system. So no.

Riversyde said:
Eh, I don't really like this idea. I can just see the problems it would cause, using a different letter for each type of person. A picture with a guy, a girl, a dickgirl, a cuntboy and a herm would have so many different tagging combinations that I would probably bash my head against a wall wondering why, why, WHY I ever agreed to this system. So no.

There needs to be a tagging order then, though admittedly it gets confusing with "uncommon" genders like cuntboy and dickgirls.. Granted the issues are understandable though.
(I've basically seen the format in reference to stories, so it should technically be possible for images, though admittedly the "story code" isn't quite as compatable with tags.)

Lyokira said:
There needs to be a tagging order then,

What would the order be? Who's going to police it, you?

the thing with the MMmmFf sort of story code is that generally speaking, you have a limited number of participants. a story relies on the reader's imagination. you can't have too many bodies before the reader starts going "wait, who's steve again? is he fucking Adam or Libby? Wait, I thought John was screwing with Sally, not Aisha... was he a fox or a cat?" ..an image has the advantage of instant imagery in your head. You don't care or need to know who Bob or Lily is. they're they, they're doin' it.... and in a minute, you'll be moving on to the next picture.

another advantage of Xgirls and Yguys and Zother: you COULD search '*girls' for any multi-girl images just like you'd search 'female solo'for single girl images now. and for the intersex oddities, '2guys 2other cuntboy -dickgirl" would narrow you down quite efficiently.

....I'm so not going to get anywhere with this one, am I?

ITT : people having lot of ideas but not the will to assume them to the end (i.e. editing thousands or dozen thousands posts one by one to tag them accordingly).

Other possible thread title : "How to turn e621 into danbooru."

Let us see :
2girls : +female +couple -male -intersex (or replace "couple" by "lesbian")
2guys : +male +couple -female -intersex (or replace "couple" by "gay")
3girls : +female +trio -male -intersex (or replace "trio" by "threesome")
3guys : +male +trio -female -intersex (or replace "trio" by "threesome")
4girls : +female -male -intersex +orgy (or "group", or "foursome")
4guys : +male -female -intersex +orgy (or "group", or "foursome")

Any higher number will never be used, as the only reason to search them would be to look for a specific pic.

Now, the more complex ones :
MMF : +gay +bisexual (optional : -orgy)
MFM or FMF : +straight +threesome -bisexual (add some sexual acts for specificity...)
MFF : +lesbian +bisexual (optional : -orgy)

For any 4+ characters combo, you're looking for specific pics (or try using "gangbang").

I guarantee you the above combo will return what you are looking for in 95-98% cases.

Now, you can try to be as specific as possible, but then you will need tags such as "blonde_haired_male_fox_fucking_long_blue_haired_female_leopard_vaginally".
This will for sure be precise, but none will use it, ever.

It's mathematical : the more precise is a tag, the less people will use it ; it's all about balance between harmony and accuracy.

Seriously, when i see the amount of submitted pics lacking artist tags (the BASIS, really), i don't know how you think about bringing back that kind of tagging, or even spending time in maintaining it.

that would work... if we reliably used couple, threesome, orgy etc.

and I'm talking more about making simple tags that would make it so that we don't need to use conveluted tags to get what we want. Plus... your MFM and FMF are exactly the sort of reasons to bring this sort of thing up.

As for the difficulty of tagging all the images with it, yes. but, it's not implausible. I already go through huge swaths of pictures at a time to look for things to tag. and if 2girls 2 guys are already in use, then people will start tagging also. Right now, they don't get any use because it's impossible to use them.

as for missing artist tags.. that's true... but almost all at least have gender and species, tagged. or get the tags added quickly.

this is more about changing a standard... or at least, adding in another option. Maybe it won't have 100% coverage like it should, but 50% would be pretty nifty.

plus, one can use your helpful +male +trio -female -intersex tag searches to to find and tag 3guys and more :p

tony311 said:
Is the opposite of aliasing, anti-aliasing?

I love you tony.

Landlaw said:
Please tell me you don't mean it. Suggestions are accepted. If our ideas seem dumb, what's smarter than ours? I'm on the same boat as SnowWolf. I want the tagging to tell what's on the image than looking at it based on the thumbnail.

Opinions are accepted, and even if I am an admin, I'm a user first. :( So my opinion has the same weight as yours. It's too much work for little gain, we already have tags, as kald said already for these things.

Lyokira said:
Like mmmf for three guys one girl. And of course within reasonable limits (like not having mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm for a 16 group male orgy). And each sequence denoting a specific interaction as opposed to the whole image at once. (so an image can contain both mm and ff tags, but wouldn't be mmff if it's in image of two males together, and two females together)

this idea is dumb too.

Also:
Yes, and off topic.

So?

26girls14guys3herms2cuntboys1cup

a=[3,2,1], b=[1,2,4], c=[4,0,3], d=[1,1,7] then V = -0.83girls

tony311 said:
Is the opposite of aliasing, anti-aliasing?

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

On Yiffstar, I remember they had organization in that regard. M, M/F, M/M, M/M/F, M/M/M, M/H, etc.

Kald said:
ITT : people having lot of ideas but not the will to assume them to the end (i.e. editing thousands or dozen thousands posts one by one to tag them accordingly).

Other possible thread title : "How to turn e621 into danbooru."

Let us see :
2girls : +female +couple -male -intersex (or replace "couple" by "lesbian")
2guys : +male +couple -female -intersex (or replace "couple" by "gay")
3girls : +female +trio -male -intersex (or replace "trio" by "threesome")
3guys : +male +trio -female -intersex (or replace "trio" by "threesome")
4girls : +female -male -intersex +orgy (or "group", or "foursome")
4guys : +male -female -intersex +orgy (or "group", or "foursome")

Any higher number will never be used, as the only reason to search them would be to look for a specific pic.

Now, the more complex ones :
MMF : +gay +bisexual (optional : -orgy)
MFM or FMF : +straight +threesome -bisexual (add some sexual acts for specificity...)
MFF : +lesbian +bisexual (optional : -orgy)

For any 4+ characters combo, you're looking for specific pics (or try using "gangbang").

It works but why complicate things? Just remove aliases.
How can I find pics with just 2/3/4 straight girls who just sits/stand/lie/eats/plays/etc w/o cuddling?
Or how can I find 2 staight male friends that just cuddling?

any_number girls is easy way to find amount of characters that I need...

And you're talking to year old comments as...