First, the milking tag is being used to cover breast milking as well as penis milking. As of right now, milking has no wiki, but I feel like it should either be used exclusively for the actual action of extracting milk from a character, or else as an umbrella for extracting any liquidy something from wherever on a character.

Then there's semen_extraction. It's only got 11 images, so we can just retag those images, but I wanted to throw it up for discussion, in case anyone wants to alias penis_milking to semen_extraction. If the consensus is that it should be penis_milking, I see no need for an alias, and a quick tag cleanup will suffice.

Thoughts? My personal vote is that milking is clarified to mean pump extraction of milk (or something) from a character's tits, while penis_milking really ought to be aliased to semen_extraction.

Don't forget prostate milking.

All this is real shit? Wow... I didnt realise men had so many nifty terms for masturbation

IvoryWolf said:
All this is real shit? Wow... I didnt realise men had so many nifty terms for masturbation

And just think, that's just the tags that were relative to waht he was talking about. THERE'S MORE!

That's not just masturbation, typically the terms mentioned are more specific.

IvoryWolf said:
All this is real shit? Wow... I didnt realise men had so many nifty terms for masturbation

They're different things. *laughs* Look them up. If you're into guys, yours might appreciate a girl with the knowledge. ;)

maybe milkingshouldn't exist... and it shoudl be breast-milking and penis_milking.... semen_extraction feels a bittechnical and machine-like.

I wonder where lactating ought to fit in.

DobiesHot said:
They're different things. *laughs* Look them up. If you're into guys, yours might appreciate a girl with the knowledge. ;)

Hehe good thinking

Hammie said:
Don't forget prostate milking.

I feel prostate_milking is something different, but only one image bears that tag, so I'm not concerned.

SnowWolf said:
maybe milkingshouldn't exist... and it shoudl be breast-milking and penis_milking.... semen_extraction feels a bittechnical and machine-like.

I wonder where lactating ought to fit in.

I agree semen_extraction makes it sound like a machine's doing it. However, it looks like all the images with both penis_milking and semen_extraction use some sort of milking pump to do it, so they're being used synonymously. One option is to redefine penis_milking to be used when the penis is being jerked in an udder-like manner, such as
post #81721
post #66530

and keep semen_extraction explicitly for things where a mechanical pump is used, like
post #40732

The other option is to simply combine them, into one or the other.

I'm fine aliasing milking to an invalid tag, or to breast_milking, and people will sort it out if it's actually penises being milked.

As for lactating, it can happen regardless of whether or not the tits are being actively milked, but I definitely think a breast_milking tag should imply lactating.

RedOctober said:
I feel prostate_milking is something different, but only one image bears that tag, so I'm not concerned.

I admit I don't know much about the topic but that seems like somethign that would be hard to determine based off of a single frammed image, too.

I agree semen_extraction makes it sound like a machine's doing it. However, it looks like all the images with both penis_milking and semen_extraction use some sort of milking pump to do it, so they're being used synonymously. One option is to redefine penis_milking to be used when the penis is being jerked in an udder-like manner, such as

Ehh.. I don't really like that as much, as the 'udder-like manner' is pretty hard to define. the first image is pretty clear! but the second one looks like a basic every day hand job to me. However! the first image is obviously also collecting the semen... akin to milking a cow...

I feel like THAT should be penis_milking/semen_extraction, and that there should only be one word for it. But hten, this is not my fetish, so I might be missing some of the details here.

As for lactating, it can happen regardless of whether or not the tits are being actively milked, but I definitely think a breast_milking tag should imply lactating.

tha'ts true.

Hmmm... we also have a milking_machine tag.

Obviously that can cover both breasts and penis and often both...

Hmmm...

here's *my* thought:

penis milking - for all images where a penis be being milked, by a machine, or 'into a dish' where the focus is on collecting the fluid in some fashion, presumably, perhaps, for some later use.
breast_milking - for all images where breasts are be being milked, by a machine, or 'into a dish' where the focus is on collecting the fluid in some fashion, presumably, perhaps, for some later use. Implies lactating and breast_milk
milking_machine - for the machines that are sometimes used
milking - .... this could either be a 'meta tag' to cover penis milking, breast milking, cow milking etc, but this probably just adds to tag clutter, and should be an invalid tag instead?

SnowWolf said:

penis milking - for all images where a penis be being milked, by a machine, or 'into a dish' where the focus is on collecting the fluid in some fashion, presumably, perhaps, for some later use.
breast_milking - for all images where breasts are be being milked, by a machine, or 'into a dish' where the focus is on collecting the fluid in some fashion, presumably, perhaps, for some later use. Implies lactating and breast_milk
milking_machine - for the machines that are sometimes used
milking - .... this could either be a 'meta tag' to cover penis milking, breast milking, cow milking etc, but this probably just adds to tag clutter, and should be an invalid tag instead?

Ok, I'm in favor of all of this, but what do we do with semen_extraction? I'm ok with invalidating milking, but I think it'll take a while to catch on, since that's probably what most people slap on whenever anything is being milked.

RedOctober said:
Ok, I'm in favor of all of this, but what do we do with semen_extraction? I'm ok with invalidating milking, but I think it'll take a while to catch on, since that's probably what most people slap on whenever anything is being milked.

Alias or implication

RedOctober said:
Ok, I'm in favor of all of this, but what do we do with semen_extraction? I'm ok with invalidating milking, but I think it'll take a while to catch on, since that's probably what most people slap on whenever anything is being milked.

Alias, absolutly for semen extraction. it's just another word for it. milking I"m not so sure what to do with still

I think the only dilemma with milking is that people are going to put milking on both of these images, and it's not going to indicate which is which. I think, though, both tags are small enough that this isn't a huge issue. Let's make it invalid. Or alias it to breast_milking, so that when it's used on an image where it's the penises being milked, someone ought to notice it's tagged with the wrong kind of milking and fix it.

RedOctober said:
I think the only dilemma with milking is that people are going to put milking on both of these images, and it's not going to indicate which is which. I think, though, both tags are small enough that this isn't a huge issue. Let's make it invalid. Or alias it to breast_milking, so that when it's used on an image where it's the penises being milked, someone ought to notice it's tagged with the wrong kind of milking and fix it.

That sounds fair to me.. so.. let's see:

PROPOSAL:

penis milking - for all images where a penis be being milked, by a machine, or 'into a dish' where the focus is on collecting the fluid in some fashion, presumably, perhaps, for some later use.
breast_milking - for all images where breasts are be being milked, by a machine, or 'into a dish' where the focus is on collecting the fluid in some fashion, presumably, perhaps, for some later use. Implies lactating and breast_milk
milking_machine - for the machines that are sometimes used
milking - aliased to breast_milking

Someone also will need to tidy up the related wiki pages....

waiting for any statements of opposition.... agreement.. or other thoughts, for that matter.

I always thought of penis milking as a positional thing as well.
Like this:
http://e621.net/post/show/81721/

It's not much used like that on this site, but a sort of milking a cow type position, but a hand job.
Maybe add that in as well for penis milking?
The above explanations fit as well, not disagreeing with those.

Hammie said:
I always thought of penis milking as a positional thing as well.
Like this:
http://e621.net/post/show/81721/

It's not much used like that on this site, but a sort of milking a cow type position, but a hand job.
Maybe add that in as well for penis milking?
The above explanations fit as well, not disagreeing with those.

well, that exact image was brought up before, and it woudl fall under the 'collection' rule... the position is a good point, but it's not all that different from, say post #66530 which really is more of a handjob reach around dealie.

THat said, the outfit should probably be used as a suggestion to some degree also... but I don't think the position in and of itself is indicative of penis milking.

In my mind, it's being "milked" if the character is down on hands and knees while being jerked off, regardless of whether it's a reach around or not. It's a little subjective, though.

RedOctober said:
In my mind, it's being "milked" if the character is down on hands and knees while being jerked off, regardless of whether it's a reach around or not. It's a little subjective, though.

Yeah, but couldn't you get those by searching doggy_position reach_around ? or all_fours handjob or a combination of those?

You could, and that's way less subjective.

SnowWolf said:
PROPOSAL:

penis milking - for all images where a penis be being milked, by a machine, or 'into a dish' where the focus is on collecting the fluid in some fashion, presumably, perhaps, for some later use.
breast_milking - for all images where breasts are be being milked, by a machine, or 'into a dish' where the focus is on collecting the fluid in some fashion, presumably, perhaps, for some later use. Implies lactating and breast_milk
milking_machine - for the machines that are sometimes used
milking - aliased to breast_milking

Someone also will need to tidy up the related wiki pages....

I'm in favor of this. I don't know that I'll be able to sort out the wikis any time shortly, I'm moving this weekend. I might have a few minutes to take a quick break tomorrow or Friday to do it, though.

All_fours handjob is better.
It gets from the side and non-penetrative doggy style type position.

You could pretty reasonably add it to the penis_milking tag imo, but if it's just not something that is agreeable then it's not a huge problem.

Ok. I'll straighten up the wikis. Snow, if you want to implement that alias, then I'll go through and sort out which images involve tits and which ones involve cocks.

Oh yeah. Might want to imply breast_milking -> lactating

well, I added the breast_milking implying lactating implication, but I hacn't touched any of the others yet.

I don't really want to alias milking to breast milking until milking is all cleaned up

...that said, I'll try and take care of that in the next few days, unless someone else does. <3

The wiki pages look awesome, Red <3

Milking is cleaned up, and I adjusted the penis_milking wiki to include images where a machine isn't being used. I'll do the same for the milking wiki tomorrow if no one else does first.

This thread is like an active, living reminder of how neglected the wiki is sometimes, and how a neglected wiki leads to confused taggers.

The poor wiki. If I had infinitie time, the wiki would be my baby....

I'm busy until tuesday or so, so I"l ltry and get this done by wednesday or so.

Red, you're awesome <3 thank you :D

I'll have a quick look around and get those aliased and stuff then <3

Added:

• milking aliased to breast_milking

semen_extraction aliased to penis_milking

DID NOT add:

• breast_milking implies breast_milk -- post #226196 post #221465 post #133869

on the other hand, I added breast_milking implies lactating already, and can you really have lactating without breast_milk?

Is the breast_milk tag even needed..? I would kinda like a venn diagram of images that SHOULD be tagged breast_milk, and images that should be tagged lactating... I can't imagine very many images that should have one but not the other.. (but, a few. mostly 1 panels, or comics with text talking about breast milk, or lactation..)

I know the changes are already made, but would it be it worth differentiating "hand job from behind" and "penis milking" by the orientation of the hand, wherein milking is typically pulling down with the thumb closer to the base, and a handjob in the downward direction has the thumb closer to the head?
Oh nvm, the wiki includes "when a penis is being stimulated by hand in an udder-pulling manner"

EDIT: post #214938 has "milking" of the vagina, tagged with breast_milking

Look again. That's a penis.

Still, thanks for catching the mistag.