Nativus said:
Its sad that dickgirl is still an official tag... Its not 1998 anymore.

Dickgirl as a tag is perfectly fine. You're right, it isn't 1998 anymore.

Nativus said:
Its sad that dickgirl is still an official tag... Its not 1998 anymore.

It's almost as if people might be looking for that kink exclusively.

Nativus said:
Its sad that dickgirl is still an official tag... Its not 1998 anymore.

Lol imagine how long the tags would be if it was 100% politically correct "female_to_male_transgender_who_identifies_as_a_robotic_fox"

Pretty great art though.

As a 'dickgirl' I have no qualms with it in porn. It's the most succinct way to tag. I don't like being called it myself for a variety of reasons but if anyone is so disrespectful to call me that then I just don't associate with them, lol.

It's fucking WAY BETTER than 'shemale' I'll tell you that much.

Nativus said:

You people are so sensitive!

Says the person who left a comment complaining about a tag in the first place...

Nativus said:
Its sad that dickgirl is still an official tag... Its not 1998 anymore.

Go back to tumblr where you belong

Shinkada said:
As a 'dickgirl' I have no qualms with it in porn. It's the most succinct way to tag. I don't like being called it myself for a variety of reasons but if anyone is so disrespectful to call me that then I just don't associate with them, lol.

It's fucking WAY BETTER than 'shemale' I'll tell you that much.

Do you...do you have pics?

Nativus said:
What's amazing is how many people I upset with my suggestions for using more modern wording.

You people are so sensitive!

don't fix what ain't broke, sweetheart.

H3xx said:
I agree with you. But trying to get this community to understand is like hearding cats. Especially with today's trumpian view on political correctness not being a dick.

Yes, e621 is obviously the place to discuss your political stance. While not taking either side in the issue, I don't think many people would say "political correctness" is the same thing as not being a dick, no matter which side of the issue you are on.

Nativus said:
What's amazing is how many people I upset with my suggestions for using more modern wording.

You people are so sensitive!

I believe the only person who seems to be upset from the whole ordeal was you. A lot of people are just telling you that the word works best in the fashion that e621 tags are, and things similar to that.

Can we just all collectively rub our genitals to a picture of anthropomorphic animals that identify as robots having sex? Please?

H3xx said:
As for e621 being a place to discuss anything, nobody forces you to read other people's comments. Nobody forces you to have an opinion on the matter at all.

And nobody forced you idjits to read the tags and get butthurt over nothing.
Shut up, and fap to the robot dick girl like the rest of us.

Nativus said:
Haha so true.. You just make dickgirl an alias for trans and done. I just wish this community wasn't so similar to 4chan pol.

Except, what about when they're not trans? In the majority of cases for these pictures, they aren't born as men and then transition to women. They're born as girls with dicks through pornworld magic. (more-or-less at least. As much as any character in a drawing can be "born")

Shinkada said:
As a 'dickgirl' I have no qualms with it in porn. It's the most succinct way to tag. I don't like being called it myself for a variety of reasons but if anyone is so disrespectful to call me that then I just don't associate with them, lol.

It's fucking WAY BETTER than 'shemale' I'll tell you that much.

If not dickgirl or shemale then what do you go by?

Dommer4kill said:
If not dickgirl or shemale then what do you go by?

Transgirl usually. or sometimes Samantha or Christine. It varies.

rdobet said:
Except, what about when they're not trans? In the majority of cases for these pictures, they aren't born as men and then transition to women. They're born as girls with dicks through pornworld magic. (more-or-less at least. As much as any character in a drawing can be "born")

Isn't the technical term for that 'intersex'?

Dickgirl sounds sexy and fine. Even more cute than regular shemale. So paws off from Dickgirl tag

A-T-S said:
Isn't the technical term for that 'intersex'?

Somewhat, and we tag it as intersex. (dickgirl even implies it) Dickgirl is to differentiate from herm, which would also be intersex.

rdobet said:
Somewhat, and we tag it as intersex. (dickgirl even implies it) Dickgirl is to differentiate from herm, which would also be intersex.

And the difference between Herm and Dickgirl is literally the position of the camera for most pics.

H3xx said:
And the difference between Herm and Dickgirl is literally the position of the camera for most pics.

Tbh, I'd more support if dickgirl was reserved for cases where it's definite that they don't have a vag, but whatever. It wouldn't really work since then you'd have to search for like "intersex -cuntboy -maleherm -herm" to get what dickgirl would get you (Which also, would only work for solo pics, since that could also eliminate a pic that would be tagged with both dickgirl and herm/cuntboy/maleherm now)

Also, unless you've gone and actually asked the (probably thousands) of artists whether the characters in their pics would have vaginas/vulvas in addition to the cocks, saying it's "most" of them is guessing or assuming at best and projection at worst.

rdobet said:

Also, unless you've gone and actually asked the (probably thousands) of artists whether the characters in their pics would have vaginas/vulvas in addition to the cocks, saying it's "most" of them is guessing or assuming at best and projection at worst.

That would be much more labor intensive than simply choosing a less offensive word to take the place of the tag.

H3xx said:
That would be much more labor intensive than simply choosing a less offensive word to take the place of the tag.

Except it's only offensive to the easily offended (Generally those of whom aren't even even trans girls usually), and there's no suitable tag to replace it with.

Also, that suggestion had nothing to do with justifying a tag change.

Edited comment to put all responses in one comment for easier downvoting =D Enjoy.

rdobet said:
Except it's only offensive to the easily offended

It's called empathy. It's a human virtue.

and there's no suitable tag to replace it with.

How about splitting Intersex into two tags. Intersex_vagina and Intersex_no_vagina? It covers all the needed criteria without using a derogatory term.

H3xx said:
It's called empathy. It's a human virtue.
How about splitting Intersex into two tags. Intersex_vagina and Intersex_no_vagina? It covers all the needed criteria without using a derogatory term.

Considering a good portion of my trans friends refer to themselves as dickgirls. I have no real reason to feel empathetic when they themselves are mostly fine with it.

It rings the same feel as when (mostly straight) people are going "stop saying fag. It's offensive to gay people" while almost all of the guys I've dated have called me it (and vise versa) as a term of endearment.

Also, two problems. First "Intersex_vagina and Intersex_no_vagina" sound stupid and clash with the general style most tags use. Second Intersex_Vagina would also mandate inclusion of cuntboys and maleherms.

To circumvent that, people would have to search "I_v -cuntboy -maleherm" which runs into two other problems. 1)It's extremely shitty for user experience and 2)e6 limits number of search terms for the majority of its users.

Basically, this is a solution to a problem that, for the most part, doesn't exist and causes more problems than the (0) problems it solves.

rdobet said:
Considering a good portion of my trans friends refer to themselves as dickgirls. I have no real reason to feel empathetic when they themselves are mostly fine with it.

Unless your friends constitute a significant sample size of the trans population, then this isn't really an argument.

It rings the same feel as when (mostly straight) people are going "stop saying fag. It's offensive to gay people" while almost all of the guys I've dated have called me it (and vise versa) as a term of endearment.

I'm gay, and I absolutely hate that word. Just because you're fine with it doesn't make it so for everyone.

Also, two problems. First "Intersex_vagina and Intersex_no_vagina" sound stupid and clash with the general style most tags use. Second Intersex_Vagina would also mandate inclusion of cuntboys and maleherms.

While style really doesn't have much of anything to do with it, I can see your point here. Which is why the term can simply be retooled to Intersex_V_B_P (vagina, breast, penis), minus the appropriate letter for whichever genital combination you're looking for.

To circumvent that, people would have to search "I_v -cuntboy -maleherm" which runs into two other problems. 1)It's extremely shitty for user experience and 2)e6 limits number of search terms for the majority of its users.

Except that they wouldn't have to search that, as the alias would still be in place. Such as the Gay tag. If you search Gay, you get images which are tagged male/male. And doing it this way means people who don't care about the term can still search it, and people who are offended by the term don't have to see it.

Basically, this is a solution to a problem that, for the most part, doesn't exist and causes more problems than the (0) problems it solves.

Obviously the problem does exist, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. And just because you aren't bothered by it, doesn't mean everyone else isn't bothered by it. Not everyone gets off on insults, and there are those of us who empathize with people and feel their pain as our own. It's not too much to ask to simply try to lessen that pain.

H3xx said:
Unless your friends constitute a significant sample size of the trans population, then this isn't really an argument.
I'm gay, and I absolutely hate that word. Just because you're fine with it doesn't make it so for everyone.
While style really doesn't have much of anything to do with it, I can see your point here. Which is why the term can simply be retooled to Intersex_V_B_P (vagina, breast, penis), minus the appropriate letter for whichever genital combination you're looking for.
Except that they wouldn't have to search that, as the alias would still be in place. Such as the Gay tag. If you search Gay, you get images which are tagged male/male. And doing it this way means people who don't care about the term can still search it, and people who are offended by the term don't have to see it.
Obviously the problem does exist, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. And just because you aren't bothered by it, doesn't mean everyone else isn't bothered by it. Not everyone gets off on insults, and there are those of us who empathize with people and feel their pain as our own. It's not too much to ask to simply try to lessen that pain.

It's only really you and me, the OP has more just been trolling people than sincerely debating, but anyway, fair enough for not being a representative of communities, but, when almost every single trans/gay (depending on which of the two points above I'm addressing) person I've met has been fine with it, I'd hope you can see why I'd be led into believing what I do :v

"Intersex_V_B_P" Also would clash with style even more, but ehh. Still no way of getting what the dickgirl tag would without having to do "Intersex__B_P" -herm.

Depending on whether flat chested girls would get the B or not, it could also be "Intersex_P -maleherm -herm." You're going to have to think of something completely succinct here.

rdobet said:
It's only really you and me, the OP has more just been trolling people than sincerely debating, but anyway, fair enough for not being a representative of communities, but, when almost every single trans/gay (depending on which of the two points above I'm addressing) person I've met has been fine with it, I'd hope you can see why I'd be led into believing what I do :v

The problem with that logic isn't that the common denominator in that selection of people are all fine with the term, it's that you are the common denominator. People tend to associate with people who share something in common with themselves.

"Intersex_V_B_P" Also would clash with style even more, but ehh. Still no way of getting what the dickgirl tag would without having to do "Intersex__B_P" -herm.

Depending on whether flat chested girls would get the B or not, it could also be "Intersex_P -maleherm -herm." You're going to have to think of something completely succinct here.

Intersex_V_B_P = Vagina, Breasts, and Penis. full herm.
Intersex_B_P = Breast and penis only, what you refer to as dickgirl.
Intersex_V_P = Vagina and penis only, Male herm
Intersex_V = Vagina only, Cuntboy. This one is always going to have the problem of differentiating between flat-chested girls and actual female to male trans (or the born equivalent) in which case, I do believe that the rest of the image is used to determine the appropriate tag. including length of hair, shape of body, and, where applicable, style of cloths.

Intersex_V_B and Intersex_P Aren't applicable, as these are just female and male respectively.

As for Style, the reason I say Style doesn't really enter into it is because the tags already have a detached and professional gait to it, such as Oral_penetration and fellatio instead of throat_fucking and blowjob, and Animal_Genitalia instead of Dog_Cock. The porno words are the outliers at this point.

H3xx said:
The problem with that logic isn't that the common denominator in that selection of people are all fine with the term, it's that you are the common denominator. People tend to associate with people who share something in common with themselves.

Fair enough, I do stay off Tumblr.

Intersex _V_B could easily apply to busty cuntboys. Rare, but they exist. Intersex_B_P could also apply to regular bustyboys (or whatever they're tagged as on this site.) Intersex_V_P could also apply to flat-chested herms. I say could since I'm not too certain how breast tagging works on the site.

There's also the possible problem of people wondering why herm pictures don't come up when they type in Intersex_B_P since they technically satisfy both of those conditions in most cases. I realize you said only, but do you really think people read the documentation often?

(Also, it should likely be Intersex_B_P_V (alphabetical order) to eliminate guesswork/learning curve.)

rdobet said:
Fair enough, I do stay off Tumblr.

Lol, I don't even know how tumblr works. I tend to stay away from most social media sites. Closest I get is the comment section here.

There's also the possible problem of people wondering why herm pictures don't come up when they type in Intersex_B_P since they technically satisfy both of those conditions in most cases. I realize you said only, but do you really think people read the documentation often?

They don't have to type that tag in if they don't want to. The old tags can be left in as aliases that redirect to the new tags, which is something that has already been done on this site before, as I said, with the Gay tag. Go ahead, try it now. Search Gay. Better yet, I'll do it for you You'll notice that the url at the top has the tag you searched, but the tags on the side of the page do not have the word gay in them at all. They have the new tag, Male/Male. That's how the new tags would work. It's very simple.

(Also, it should likely be Intersex_B_P_V (alphabetical order) to eliminate guesswork/learning curve.)

I agree.

I've searched gay, and yes, it redirects to male/male. The thing is, male/male and gay are perfectly equivalent. Your suggestions aren't. I know how tag aliases work.

rdobet said:
I've searched gay, and yes, it redirects to male/male. The thing is, male/male and gay are perfectly equivalent. Your suggestions aren't. I know how tag aliases work.

How are they not equivalent? It describes everything identically.

Il just state that no suggestion with underscores is going work H3xx, all those suggestions you made would complicate */* tags that deal with identifying the genders of the characters interacting sexually.

And rdobet, there is no such thing as a busty cuntboys on e621, all those would simply be tagged as female under present rules for tagging genders, just saying.

Might i also suggest that you 2 continue your dabate on this thread as it does deal with your discussion. https://e621.net/forum/show/195804

Ruku said:
Il just state that no suggestion with underscores is going work H3xx, all those suggestions you made would complicate */* tags that deal with identifying the genders of the characters interacting sexually.

And rdobet, there is no such thing as a busty cuntboys on e621, all those would simply be tagged as female under present rules for tagging genders, just saying.

Might i also suggest that you 2 continue your dabate on this thread as it does deal with your discussion. https://e621.net/forum/show/195804

Would it still even if they were plainly masculine aside from that? O.o

Thanks for the link, but I'm really not interested in seriously changing it. Thanks though.

Ruku said:
Il just state that no suggestion with underscores is going work H3xx, all those suggestions you made would complicate */* tags that deal with identifying the genders of the characters interacting sexually.

I'm not sure I understand that. What difference does having an underscore or a slash make in whether or not the change in tags should occur? Obviously, I know that underscores make spaces in the tag, and slashes are visible, but that seems a distraction from the original point. The text of the new tag is fairly unimportant, as long as it describes what is needed, and isn't a derogatory insult.

H3xx said:
I'm not sure I understand that. What difference does having an underscore or a slash make in whether or not the change in tags should occur? Obviously, I know that underscores make spaces in the tag, and slashes are visible, but that seems a distraction from the original point. The text of the new tag is fairly unimportant, as long as it describes what is needed, and isn't a derogatory insult.

I'm pretty sure he's saying, coding wise, underscores would break the sex/sex tagging system.

rdobet said:
Would it still even if they were plainly masculine aside from that? O.o

There are tomboy and/or manly for such uses

And h3xx it is not underscores or slashes, it is underscores or dashes in tags that are halved by slashes.
A tag change must still be as usable as the original form and they wont when the tag is too long for people to want to take the time to write such a load, not to mention consitency, all other */* tags are composed of single block components, double block components would look out of sync in the system

Ruku said:
There are tomboy and/or manly for such uses

And h3xx it is not underscores or slashes, it is underscores or dashes in tags that are halved by slashes.
A tag change must still be as usable as the original form and they wont when the tag is too long for people to want to take the time to write such a load, not to mention consitency, all other */* tags are composed of single block components, double block components would look out of sync in the system

Again, And for the last time, that wouldn't stop people from being able to type the original tag. It would redirect to the new tag. Having a tag with an extra underscore or slash isn't going to inconvenience anyone. And just because a single tag doesn't look like all the other tags isn't going to completely ruin the system. Indeed it won't do anything at all to the system. All of your opposition to this smacks of a needless want to keep an offensive word in use despite the offense it gives to others. I feel as though I'm attempting to explain why a racial epithet is racist here. Using the term dickgirl is akin to calling a handicapped person a cripple. It's rude. And it doesn't reflect well on the members of a community that's supposed to be inviting and understanding of others.

H3xx said:
Again, And for the last time, that wouldn't stop people from being able to type the original tag. It would redirect to the new tag. Having a tag with an extra underscore or slash isn't going to inconvenience anyone. And just because a single tag doesn't look like all the other tags isn't going to completely ruin the system. Indeed it won't do anything at all to the system. All of your opposition to this smacks of a needless want to keep an offensive word in use despite the offense it gives to others. I feel as though I'm attempting to explain why a racial epithet is racist here. Using the term dickgirl is akin to calling a handicapped person a cripple. It's rude. And it doesn't reflect well on the members of a community that's supposed to be inviting and understanding of others.

Might i point out that i am not the enemy, i want the terms changed as much as you but it needs to be done properly. That is what the forum i linked to was for, discussing alternatives to replace the present tags. Id advise again to take this to the forums if you wanna find support for your suggestion, all of what youve writen here will just get lost and will have been a waste of time in the comment section of a post.

Banterman said:
Dickgirl as a tag is perfectly fine. You're right, it isn't 1998 anymore.

When you think of it from the two worlds put together. Dickgirl is just a slang for herm. If it is a girl. Then that means it has a pussy. Slap a dick on top of a pussy and you got a dickgirl.

Shemales are dudes with boobs.

You know I came here for the art - Stayed for the comments

DeservantHurricane said:
You know I came here for the art - Stayed for the comments

Weirdo I came for the porno (No pun intended... Probably...)

I am an American. After a long day of Bodywork and/or Farm work I like to jack off to Anthropomorphic Animals. I am a male, and proud of it. I respect all except those who have none for me. Just keep life simple.

Nativus said:
Its sad that dickgirl is still an official tag... Its not 1998 anymore.

REEE ITS <CURRENT YEAR>

I think I got through half of this before I just stopped reading...

H3xx said:
It covers all the needed criteria without using a derogatory term.

"Vagina" in and of itself is derogatory. Just ask anyone (male, female, other) that considers themselves a feminist. Better yet, seek out a third wave feminist, you'll be in for a real treat there. XD

Okay, the latter two were a joke, but in all seriousness... It's such a hyper-sexual/political environment out there that almost anything is offensive. Heck, probably me saying this is offensive and triggering to someone. I should have put a trigger warning in my comment... Oh well.

H3xx said:
I'm gay, and I absolutely hate that word. Just because you're fine with it doesn't make it so for everyone.

And just because you hate the word doesn't mean everyone else hates it too.

See what I did there? It's a two-way street you're walking down with that argument.

DeservantHurricane said:
You know I came here for the art - Stayed for the comments

You should see some of jasonfxs work. There's practically enough to write a book about in those comment sections!

As for the art... well... it's a mouthful. c:

Mdf said:
I think I got through half of this before I just stopped reading...

"Vagina" in and of itself is derogatory. Just ask anyone (male, female, other) that considers themselves a feminist. Better yet, seek out a third wave feminist, you'll be in for a real treat there. XD

Okay, the latter two were a joke, but in all seriousness... It's such a hyper-sexual/political environment out there that almost anything is offensive. Heck, probably me saying this is offensive and triggering to someone. I should have put a trigger warning in my comment... Oh well.

And just because you hate the word doesn't mean everyone else hates it too.

See what I did there? It's a two-way street you're walking down with that argument.

You should see some of jasonfxs work. There's practically enough to write a book about in those comment sections!

As for the art... well... it's a mouthful. c:

Old argument is old. So, long story short, I think you're wrong, others think you're right, and this community doesn't care about offending people. Argument over. Go away.

Allevouin said:
You're just easily offended.

Says the guy continuing a months old argument. Fuck off.

~skip foreward 8 months~ h3xx is blacklisted from the site... We win

Dickgirls are gynomorphs now, SJWs rejoice.