Wait... Are you trying to tell me this is a gay comic? =)

Drakodlak said:
Wait... Are you trying to tell me this is a gay comic? =)

thats was my goal yes. and i think it have to get tagged as male now becuase thats no side description its an illustation of the crows testicles which can not get ignored with the tag what you see rule

This is kind if hilarious.
I think the kidney and testis labels are reversed here but that's right otherwise.
It's crazy that gender has to be ambiguous just because the crow doesn't have obvious external characteristics.
But if he were a budgie with a blue nose?
The same goes for herms with cloacae or whose pussies aren't showing in a particular image being labeled ambiguous or DGs.

They have forgotten all about the cheese at this point.

Bahlam said:
This is kind if hilarious.
I think the kidney and testis labels are reversed here but that's right otherwise.
It's crazy that gender has to be ambiguous just because the crow doesn't have obvious external characteristics.
But if he were a budgie with a blue nose?
The same goes for herms with cloacae or whose pussies aren't showing in a particular image being labeled ambiguous or DGs.

...

Thank you for those details. Now i know it is a guy giving it up for a small piece of cheese.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but text doesn't count. Those are ambiguous_gonads!

You're gonna have to draw the sperm in there just so we know for sure...

does this finally mean that we can finally label the other pages of the comic "male/male?"

may i say that it is simply sad on e621's part that you needed to draw a picture of a male crow's reproductive system just to clarify that it actually is a male crow

10/10

kuyani said:
may i say that it is simply sad on e621's part that you needed to draw a picture of a male crow's reproductive system just to clarify that it actually is a male crow

You said it before I could. It's super sad that the artist even has to resort to doing this to have their art tagged the way it was intended to be here.

Btw lizardlars, don't ya have an IB or FA or anything like that? If not, you can host the comic to either or without needing to try to jump through these hoops regarding tags, IB imo also has a more bareable tagging system.

I'm completely omitting my usual jokes right now. LizardLars has me fucking beat by a mile.

I love it, basically sticking it to the people arguing about tags by going. "Here's proof it's a guy, now tag it that way." This is turning out interesting.

Mutisija said:
no. the pages are tagged individually. what happens in other pages of the comic does not affect on this page's tagging and what happens in this page does not affect on the other pages' tagging.

It makes more sense for previous pages, since there wasn't any solid proof other than text from the author itself. But going forward, shouldn't it make sense to tag it as male on male because of the art evidence of it being a male crow?

Cannibalpie said:
It makes more sense for previous pages, since there wasn't any solid proof other than text from the author itself. But going forward, shouldn't it make sense to tag it as male on male because of the art evidence of it being a male crow?

@Ratte
@lizardlars
now, what if the artist was to give them a name, and assign the newly made "characters" genders?

then every instance of all those characters would have to be named and then he could mark them all as "male/male"

like, we cant just go and call an obvious picture of Mario "ambiguous" because we know Mario's a dude.

THIS SHOULD WORK! SOMEONE GET A MOD FOR CLARIFICATION AND NOTIFY THE ARTIST!

added the feral related tags.

kinda a big one to miss :P

Mutisija said:
that is not how the gender tagging works.
https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=tag_what_you_see
https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=howto%3atag_genders

It never ceases to amaze or amuse me at how people fail to read the rules of the site, then try to rally against people pointing out they're wrong, or even better, trying to throw a fit at the admins. lol.

Mutisija said:
that is not how the gender tagging works.
https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=tag_what_you_see
https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=howto%3atag_genders

So I read these and I don't see a problem initially. He just needs to confirm names and genders to those names.

If im missing something, you night have to be blunt about it.

yeah

don't go the way of Purplekecleon

down that path lies madness and destruction

RR37 said:
Why are you so upset with the tagging system on e621 that you voluntarily ruin your own comic? Don't upload to e621 if you're that butthurt about it. Some straight people might have liked this comic too because they wouldn't have known the bird's gender. But now you've decided to shove it in everyone's face "HEY THIS IS A GAY COMIC IT'S GAY. GUYS IT'S GAY IT NEEDS GAY TAGS" Like seriously it's so frustrating that people don't understand what this tagging system is for, and throw tantrums when their art isn't tagged how they want it to be.

This is why I sorta suggested he get an Furaffinity or Inkbunny account, or both. He won't have to deal with the tagging system he has to deal with here.

Is it so bad that you had to draw a dick to tag a dick and if thgtre are no primary sex characteristics (distinct sexual organs) and no easily discernable secondary sex characteristics (body shape, coloring and so on) that an image be tagged as ambiguous?

Honestly, Lars could've just put a little note at the start of the comic, or in the description field and is entire shistorm could've been avoided.

Reximus said:
Honestly, Lars could've just put a little note at the start of the comic, or in the description field and is entire shistorm could've been avoided.

No it wouldn't, at all? Because they don't go off 'outside information' or text. It has to be DRAWN WITHIN the picture for the tagging to work with the picture, text isn't working for him, so he had to drawn the male bird anatomy in the comic itself for it to even be tagged the way it should be.

I'm a little confused as to the point of "tag what you see" being taken so far. Like, couldn't you go author tags + what you see unless the author is blatantly wrong/trolling (like tagging a penis as a vagina with no explanation)? I mean even without going into the straight up alien fantasy anatomy, you have female hyenas, reptiles with genital slits, birds with claoca and no phallus, and anatomy misconceptions on top of that (for example, dolphins and whales don't actually have prehensile members so without evidence in the pic shouldn't most of those get the tag removed even if the author's character does).

I don't really know the history (maybe it all went horribly wrong before), but to me it seems like it would be way easier to do pixiv or inkbunny inspired tagging rules.

I do have to say though, lars, you are a more patient/better person than I. I would have "taken my ball and gone home" by now and taken down the comic and slapped and conditional DNP on it. Then again, I'm a petty and vindictive asshole, lol.

so I'm sure nobody cares, but I almost had a panic attack.

I saw my avatar image was deleted and mistook it for my account being permabanned.

Jesus christ. I was about to be all "what happened to 3 strikes????"

Knotty_Curls said:
yeah

don't go the way of Purplekecleon

down that path lies madness and destruction

Sorry, I'm too stupid to understand that reference.

Steel_Warrior said:
Sorry, I'm too stupid to understand that reference.

A character in her comic was transformed into a male and had to be tagged as such, but she insisted on having it tagged female or she would issue a takedown for all of her art.

Naturally e621 doesn't negotiate with terrorists, so the takedown was honored.

qwop9992 said:
@Ratte
@lizardlars
now, what if the artist was to give them a name, and assign the newly made "characters" genders?

then every instance of all those characters would have to be named and then he could mark them all as "male/male"

like, we cant just go and call an obvious picture of Mario "ambiguous" because we know Mario's a dude.

THIS SHOULD WORK! SOMEONE GET A MOD FOR CLARIFICATION AND NOTIFY THE ARTIST!

That isn't how gender tagging works here. Pictures of Mario would get tagged as male because he looks male. Whether a character is "established" is irrelevant as we do not assign genders or species to characters.

Further, hi, I'm an administrator. Nice to meet you again.

Fgo94 said:
I'm a little confused as to the point of "tag what you see" being taken so far. Like, couldn't you go author tags + what you see unless the author is blatantly wrong/trolling (like tagging a penis as a vagina with no explanation)? I mean even without going into the straight up alien fantasy anatomy, you have female hyenas, reptiles with genital slits, birds with claoca and no phallus, and anatomy misconceptions on top of that (for example, dolphins and whales don't actually have prehensile members so without evidence in the pic shouldn't most of those get the tag removed even if the author's character does).

I don't really know the history (maybe it all went horribly wrong before), but to me it seems like it would be way easier to do pixiv or inkbunny inspired tagging rules.

What other sites do is has no bearing on what we do. If something isn't apparent in the image, it doesn't get tagged. This is on a by-post basis. The matters you have specified are handled case by case as there are other ways to depict gender outside of genitalia.

I fail to see why this is a big deal. Seems pretty ridiculous for an artist to mark up their own work and ruin the quality just to get across a point that ultimately doesn't matter. Feral birds are androgynous, so what harm was done in some people imagining the crow as female?

Male crows are better.
No Harm No Fowl should've had a male bird too.

Ratte said:
stuff

Yeah, I figured that out XD from other people explaining it to me. Thanks for making an appearance, though, and hello to you too!

Sorry for getting your rank wrong!

Jayfiregrowlithe said:
No it wouldn't, at all? Because they don't go off 'outside information' or text. It has to be DRAWN WITHIN the picture for the tagging to work with the picture, text isn't working for him, so he had to drawn the male bird anatomy in the comic itself for it to even be tagged the way it should be.

I suppose it depends on what you're lookin for and how.

This system works better for users, blacklists, and people looking for something, but nothing specific. For example, if someone had blacklisted gay and came across this image without all the graffiti and defamation, they could very well get off to it, as no dick is visibly preset on the crow to force the idea that the crow is male. Leaving it up to interpretation leaves the artwork open to many more users, and if the artist didn't want any ambiguity around the gender of the crow, they could simply inform anyone looking for that sort of information through the description without inconveniencing nearly as many people, not counting this entire event.

Or better yet, a character sheet or internal shot for one page would ensure those looking for gay would find this pool, even if none of the other pictures are tagged gay.

Why is everyone arguing i'm trying to masturbate to a crow and a fox fucking

I actually wouldn't have found this comic if it wasn't for this page, so...

Ratte said:
That isn't how gender tagging works here. Pictures of Mario would get tagged as male because he looks male. Whether a character is "established" is irrelevant as we do not assign genders or species to characters

Why can't both ambiguous and male/male tags be applied like post:1153258

Seems like you guys are targeting the artist more then anything

Kinda waiting for the "QUIT FUCKING TAGGING THIS AS AMBIGIOUS GENDER THIS IS A MALE CROW YOU FUCKNUGGETS".

This is why I do not allow my art to be posted here. This site has zero respect for artists and I refuse to permit my transgender characters to be tagged female for ftm or "dick girl" for mtf.
It's disgusting that the site cannot show even the simplest form of respect to the artist.

Did you give up on the comic because of e621's tagging policies?

oakwynne said:
Kinda waiting for the "QUIT FUCKING TAGGING THIS AS AMBIGIOUS GENDER THIS IS A MALE CROW YOU FUCKNUGGETS".

QUIT FUCKING TAGGING THIS AS AMBIGIOUS GENDER THIS IS A MALE CROW YOU FUCKNUGGETS

Kenibo said:
This is why I do not allow my art to be posted here. This site has zero respect for artists and I refuse to permit my transgender characters to be tagged female for ftm or "dick girl" for mtf.
It's disgusting that the site cannot show even the simplest form of respect to the artist.

This site has and will continue to show respect to all its users, be they writers, authors, artists, or just normal people. However, all and everyone are expected to follow the rules, and the "TAG WHAT YOU SEE" Rule is in place for ease of hunting for something, not for anything else. The staff are not here to kiss an artists backside, if you draw an orange and call it an apple, the by-standard who has no info to go on will still see an orange.

I guess this comic is dead, that sucks.

lizardlars said:
thats was my goal yes. and i think it have to get tagged as male now becuase thats no side description its an illustation of the crows testicles which can not get ignored with the tag what you see rule

Hmm, but, the point of the "tag what you see" was to focus on what the character looks like, ignoring all other context, even if it's in the picture. Not to appeal to illiterate people.

So if text in margins has to be ignored, diagrams in margins should obviously have to be ignored too.

lizardlars said:
thats was my goal yes. and i think it have to get tagged as male now becuase thats no side description its an illustation of the crows testicles which can not get ignored with the tag what you see rule

When you have to work this hard to have your artwork tagged correctly.

lizardlars said:
thats was my goal yes. and i think it have to get tagged as male now becuase thats no side description its an illustation of the crows testicles which can not get ignored with the tag what you see rule

You, sir, are awesome.

RR37 said:
Why are you so upset with the tagging system on e621 that you voluntarily ruin your own comic?

Are you kidding? Nothing is ruined. Now it's hillarious. It's twice as good this way.

Jayfiregrowlithe said:
This is why I sorta suggested he get an Furaffinity or Inkbunny account, or both. He won't have to deal with the tagging system he has to deal with here.

He/she has an FA account. For since 2007. Just press the "?" next to the artist tag.

As I've yet to see an Admin come to a decision, I will resolve this issue using information from e621's wiki, from a neutral perspective.

Wiki)
TWYS is also crucial for ensuring that a user's tag blacklist removes any posts that appear to contain content that they don't want to see. Likewise, it should also NOT remove any posts that contain content they DO want to see. If a user blacklists the tag "herm", then no posts that are tagged "herm" would be displayed to the user, so it's critical that posts that contain characters that look like herms are tagged as such. On the other hand, if a post does NOT appear to contain anything that looks like a herm, those are posts that should NOT be filtered by the user's blacklist; if the character doesn't look like a herm, then the user might be fine with seeing the picture.

As the character is clearly labeled as malexmale in the image, this pictured should be tagged as such for blacklisting purposes.

Parasprite's simplified Gender-tagging Flowchart said:
Other: Clothing choices, pose, dialogue, elaborate transformations.

Dialogue is an accepted method for determining gender. While the border text isn't technically "dialogue", the information that it is providing is undeniable.

Wiki)
TWYS's end-goal is to make sure that when you search for something, you find only posts where you can actually see what you're searching for in the picture. Think about it: if you search for "balloons" on Google's Image Search, you expect it to display pictures that contain balloons, cause why should it show anything other than what you're searching for? Likewise, on e621.net, if you search for "herm", we want to make sure that the results presented to you are ones that actually appear to contain herms; we want to make sure you find exactly what you're searching for.

However, for the sake of search queries, I will leave the ambiguous tags intact.

If there is a flaw in my deduction, please let me know.

Weblure said:
If there is a flaw in my deduction, please let me know.

Never mind, looks like Ratte came to a conclusion and just decided not to inform us. I guess this is for sure not male/male, because reasons. Sorry, blacklist users and anyone hoping to understand how this deserves the "tagging guidelines illustrated" tag, when nothing has been concretely illustrated.

qwop9992 said:
@Ratte
@lizardlars
now, what if the artist was to give them a name, and assign the newly made "characters" genders?

then every instance of all those characters would have to be named and then he could mark them all as "male/male"

like, we cant just go and call an obvious picture of Mario "ambiguous" because we know Mario's a dude.

THIS SHOULD WORK! SOMEONE GET A MOD FOR CLARIFICATION AND NOTIFY THE ARTIST!

Here's the thing with that... rule 63 Mario, AKA Genderswapped Mario. Suddenly he is a she, so if we did 'Oh it's Mario, that's a dude' when it's obvious that it's gender swapped with tits and a pussy, well you attracted the wrong people because of incorrect tagging.

@Ratte
Like with internal X-Rays, we can tell the gender of a character without even seeing the actual penetration point.

I noticed on pics with futas having fun on the backside, it would be tagged with ambiguous gender, while pics with futas having fun on the backside with an X-Ray portion we tag as dickgirl because we see it's flesh, and not a strapon or whatever.

Wouldn't this just be like an X-Ray? It's showing the internal genitalia of the crow, proving that it's male with visuals.

I know this is sorta late to the discussion, but it's still a valid claim, right?

came for the ambiguous gender sex stayed for the "this is a gay comic" stuff lol

I only just now realized that the arrow is pointing over at the tags lmao

So can i complain about this being male/male and not be banned for not using my blacklist? TWYS is severely flawed.

I think I get it... Crow is male? I think that's right.

kuyani said:
may i say that it is simply sad on e621's part that you needed to draw a picture of a male crow's reproductive system just to clarify that it actually is a male crow

its sad that despite the drawing, this is tagged male/ambiguous despite all this time.

Kenibo said:
This is why I do not allow my art to be posted here. This site has zero respect for artists and I refuse to permit my transgender characters to be tagged female for ftm or "dick girl" for mtf.
It's disgusting that the site cannot show even the simplest form of respect to the artist.

where do you post it then?

diealein said:
its sad that despite the drawing, this is tagged male/ambiguous despite all this time.

because we tag for the laymen, not people overly familiar with animal genitalia

wait a sec

wait a second
birds don't eat cheese

Damn, he got fucked all the way to the kidneys... Hot

Didn't the fox notice in the 5 page that the bird was male?
/
Que no el zorro 6a sabía desde la página 5 que el ave era macho?

faynaly said:
Didn't the fox notice in the 5 page that the bird was male?
/
Que no el zorro 6a sabía desde la página 5 que el ave era macho?

Yes he did.

Its educational now

lizardlars said:
thats was my goal yes. and i think it have to get tagged as male now becuase thats no side description its an illustation of the crows testicles which can not get ignored with the tag what you see rule

Then maybe you, yourself should tag it as male?
Tag is locked, I can’t do anything.