I'm calling bullshit. A rinky-dink ship does not have a reactor big enough to power "the best stealth tech money can buy".

ShylokVakarian said:
I'm calling bullshit. A rinky-dink ship does not have a reactor big enough to power "the best stealth tech money can buy".

Well sir, mayhaps 70% of this rinky dinky ship IS a reactor?

Idosay said:
Well sir, mayhaps 70% of this rinky dinky ship IS a reactor?

I'm sure they could power the tech with the sheer sexual tension alone.

Idosay said:
Well sir, mayhaps 70% of this rinky dinky ship IS a reactor?

If 70% of the ship is a reactor, judging by the lack of reactor shown, the ship would not qualify as a rinky-dink ship.

ShylokVakarian said:
If 70% of the ship is a reactor, judging by the lack of reactor shown, the ship would not qualify as a rinky-dink ship.

Well, judging by the lack of background shown, I'm not sure that you would see the reactor anyways… therefore the hypothesis is still reasonable

Super_Happy_Face said:
Well, judging by the lack of background shown, I'm not sure that you would see the reactor anyways… therefore the hypothesis is still reasonable

Alright, let me put it this way: Stealth tech is very big. It has to be if it's going to cloak a ship. If the reactor is 70% of the ship, this leaves only 30% of the ship for important ship things, like thrusters, an on-board computer, life support, a cockpit, a bedroom, and a bathroom. Because Fox and Falco are tied up, we can also assume there is a brig or cargo hold big enough for three people to have sex in comfortably. Tell me, what's the cut-off for being a "rinky-dink" space ship? I'd imagine that cut-off at about 3000 square feet of walking space in chassis form (i.e., with no components inside). We do have to make room for the reactor, thrusters, on-board computer, and life support, after all. I'd imagine this normally takes an average of 2000 square feet, leaving the size of an apartment for the cockpit, bathroom, a potential bedroom, and cargo hold (And he can just turn the cargo hold into a half-kitchen and eat his meals wherever on the ship). The problem is that if the reactor takes 70% percent of the ship, this leaves 900 square feet for: Thrusters, an on-board computer, life support, the cockpit, a bedroom, a bathroom, a presumed cargo hold, AND the "best stealth technology money can buy".

Let's tally that up, shall we?

Reactor: 2100ft²
Life Support: 25ft²
Thrusters: 10ft²
On-board Computer: Negligible, unless you're running a fucking supercomputer
Cockpit: 65ft² (You need room for a chair, the controls, and enough room to get in and out of the chair comfortably)
Bedroom: 75ft² (Unless he decided to just make it like a 15 ft² alcove in a wall)
Bathroom: 25ft² (Yes, there are bathrooms that small, and yes, even ones that have showers)
Cargo Hold: At least 50ft²

Total Without Stealth Tech: 2350ft²
Space Remaining: 650ft²

Now take a look at this Star Fox Wiki article: http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Venomian_Stealth_Bomber

It says that Venomian Stealth Bombers, which are equipped with the same tech, are noticeably larger than standard Venomian Fighters. Now, I'm not sure how much larger they are by comparison, nor do I know the volume of either, but the fact that technology like that requires them to be "noticeably larger" means that stealth tech is very large, because in a bomber or fighter, one only needs a cockpit to sit in as inhabitable space, and the cockpit can be made much smaller, as they do not intend to live in them, unlike, say, a smuggler ship, like the one presumably piloted by our rape-y antagonist here. While my proof is incomplete, as I do not have size comparisons between the Arwing and the Venomian Stealth Bomber, I would say that it would be a very tight fit if one wanted to fit an entire Star Wars Y-Wing into a ship like that, and I get the feeling that "the best stealth tech money can buy" is larger than a Y-Wing.

If you wish to prove me wrong and provide screenshots comparing the Stealth Bomber to the Arwing, then by all means.

Super_Happy_Face said:
Well, judging by the lack of background shown, I'm not sure that you would see the reactor anyways… therefore the hypothesis is still reasonable

Oh, and all of that is me being generous with the "rinky-dink" cut-off. I'd honestly find a ship that had a third of the square footage of the Millenium Falcon to be normal size. A more realistic cut-off would be about 2000ft², which, run through the calculation again, leaves the ship with only 350ft², which would be about the size of an Arwing.

I mean, it's a comic. A furry comic.

I've heard complaints about realism with respect to furry anatomy / having the wrong penis for the species, etc, but this is getting a little ridiculous.

Let me just occam's razor here and assume Rinky-dink is Falco trying to diminish the bunny's status and Bunny is probably overselling a bit.

ShylokVakarian said:
Alright, let me put it this way: Stealth tech is very big. It has to be if it's going to cloak a ship. If the reactor is 70% of the ship, this leaves only 30% of the ship for important ship things, like thrusters, an on-board computer, life support, a cockpit, a bedroom, and a bathroom. Because Fox and Falco are tied up, we can also assume there is a brig or cargo hold big enough for three people to have sex in comfortably. Tell me, what's the cut-off for being a "rinky-dink" space ship? I'd imagine that cut-off at about 3000 square feet of walking space in chassis form (i.e., with no components inside). We do have to make room for the reactor, thrusters, on-board computer, and life support, after all. I'd imagine this normally takes an average of 2000 square feet, leaving the size of an apartment for the cockpit, bathroom, a potential bedroom, and cargo hold (And he can just turn the cargo hold into a half-kitchen and eat his meals wherever on the ship). The problem is that if the reactor takes 70% percent of the ship, this leaves 900 square feet for: Thrusters, an on-board computer, life support, the cockpit, a bedroom, a bathroom, a presumed cargo hold, AND the "best stealth technology money can buy".

Let's tally that up, shall we?

Reactor: 2100ft²
Life Support: 25ft²
Thrusters: 10ft²
On-board Computer: Negligible, unless you're running a fucking supercomputer
Cockpit: 65ft² (You need room for a chair, the controls, and enough room to get in and out of the chair comfortably)
Bedroom: 75ft² (Unless he decided to just make it like a 15 ft² alcove in a wall)
Bathroom: 25ft² (Yes, there are bathrooms that small, and yes, even ones that have showers)
Cargo Hold: At least 50ft²

Total Without Stealth Tech: 2350ft²
Space Remaining: 650ft²

Now take a look at this Star Fox Wiki article: http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Venomian_Stealth_Bomber

It says that Venomian Stealth Bombers, which are equipped with the same tech, are noticeably larger than standard Venomian Fighters. Now, I'm not sure how much larger they are by comparison, nor do I know the volume of either, but the fact that technology like that requires them to be "noticeably larger" means that stealth tech is very large, because in a bomber or fighter, one only needs a cockpit to sit in as inhabitable space, and the cockpit can be made much smaller, as they do not intend to live in them, unlike, say, a smuggler ship, like the one presumably piloted by our rape-y antagonist here. While my proof is incomplete, as I do not have size comparisons between the Arwing and the Venomian Stealth Bomber, I would say that it would be a very tight fit if one wanted to fit an entire Star Wars Y-Wing into a ship like that, and I get the feeling that "the best stealth tech money can buy" is larger than a Y-Wing.

If you wish to prove me wrong and provide screenshots comparing the Stealth Bomber to the Arwing, then by all means.

Does it mention in the comic that the ship is actually in deep space? If not, he could be in orbit around a planet. And if so, the bulk of his cloaking system could actually be planet-based.
Then all his ship would need is a relatively smaller receiver/linking system to receive a cloaking beam from the planet surface. The ship would remain cloaked for as long as he's in orbit.

s-d said:
I mean, it's a comic. A furry comic.

I've heard complaints about realism with respect to furry anatomy / having the wrong penis for the species, etc, but this is getting a little ridiculous.

Let me just occam's razor here and assume Rinky-dink is Falco trying to diminish the bunny's status and Bunny is probably overselling a bit.

See, one problem with that: "I'm about to be rich". This implies Mr. Rapes-a-lot wasn't already rich to begin with, as if he was, he wouldn't be smuggling and bounty-hunting for money, which is implied here. Riddle me this: If he has really expensive tech, then why doesn't he just retire? The only explanation I can come up with is that he can't sell the tech (perhaps he stole it and can't seem to dump it at the black market?), and thus doesn't have much in the way of non-liquid assets. He can't retire because he can't get enough money to retire. And don't give me the "he's doing it for fun" explanation, because he otherwise wouldn't be saying shit about money.

Acolyte said:
Does it mention in the comic that the ship is actually in deep space? If not, he could be in orbit around a planet. And if so, the bulk of his cloaking system could actually be planet-based.
Then all his ship would need is a relatively smaller receiver/linking system to receive a cloaking beam from the planet surface. The ship would remain cloaked for as long as he's in orbit.

One, the bunny would have to be stupid as all hell to remain in the orbit of a planet, considering anyone on a space station or ship could look out the window and see them (and wouldn't it be suspicious if a ship just orbited a planet for an hour and couldn't be read by sensors?). And two, such a system would be very finicky, so the planet would have to be really small for it to work well. Not to mention that it would hardly fall under "the best stealth tech money can buy".

ShylokVakarian said:
One, the bunny would have to be stupid as all hell to remain in the orbit of a planet, considering anyone on a space station or ship could look out the window and see them (and wouldn't it be suspicious if a ship just orbited a planet for an hour and couldn't be read by sensors?). And two, such a system would be very finicky, so the planet would have to be really small for it to work well. Not to mention that it would hardly fall under "the best stealth tech money can buy".

See, now you're splitting hares… um, hairs.

If a ship in orbit is cloaked, it's cloaked to everything. So how can anyone look out a window and see them?

It doesn't appear on sensors. If your ship appears on sensors when cloaked, you've got a shitty cloak.

You don't know if such a system would be finicky. That's something you've thrown in to help support your initial argument. And why would a planet have to be small? Your satellite-cable system sends signals back and forth between the ground and a satellite all the time.

And even so, who's to say they aren't in orbit around a small planet?

The truth is, if his completely functional, well-made cloaking system is ground based, it would completely solve the size-to-functionality problem initially stated.

Acolyte said:
See, now you're splitting hares… um, hairs.

If a ship in orbit is cloaked, it's cloaked to everything. So how can anyone look out a window and see them?

Unless I'm seriously mistaken, cloaking doesn't grant full invisibility. Anyone with good eyesight can see the light distortion...if the tech even grants invisibility at all. Like I said, I haven't played much Star Fox.

It doesn't appear on sensors. If your ship appears on sensors when cloaked, you've got a shitty cloak.

I never said shit about cloaked ships appearing on sensors. Quite the opposite, in fact.

You don't know if such a system would be finicky. That's something you've thrown in to help support your initial argument. And why would a planet have to be small? Your satellite-cable system sends signals back and forth between the ground and a satellite all the time.

I should have clarified that when I said "finicky", I meant "likely has a short range, considering cloaking devices (ones that have invisibility, at least) need to bend light around the object in question". If you're orbiting a decent-sized planet, the ship would have to constantly be moved in order to remain in range. Not to mention the fact that you can't avoid what you can't see.

And even so, who's to say they aren't in orbit around a small planet?

Even in this case, it's a waste of money, and really stupid. A portable cloaking system is ideal for ships, due to the fact that they move around a lot.

The truth is, if his completely functional, well-made cloaking system is ground based, it would completely solve the size-to-functionality problem initially stated.

The truth is, if his cloaking system is ground-based, he's a fucking moron.

ShylokVakarian said:
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Dude, which part of empty space should a person peer at from a space station porthole closely enough to see the subtle shimmer indicating a cloaked ship, hmm? Which part? That part over there? Or perhaps that patch?

You're right about the sensors. You didn't say that. My bad. But again, where in space would one look to see the almost fully cloaked ship that doesn't show up on sensors?

What law states that the system has a short range? Where are you pulling that from? And yes, the ship is in a geostationary orbit over the planet-based device. Why is that a problem?

A portable cloaking system is great, unless the ship is too small. Wasn't that your original argument? What if that planet is the perfect place to set up an ambush for passing ships? Seems like that device would pay for itself in just one or two raids.

According to you, he's a moron for placing a well-made cloaking system hidden on a planet's surface that will allow him to hide his ship which is too small for an on-board system while he spends an afternoon getting rape-y. Doesn't sound moronic at all. Actually sounds rather smart.

Acolyte said:
Dude, which part of empty space should a person peer at from a space station porthole closely enough to see the subtle shimmer indicating a cloaked ship, hmm? Which part? That part over there? Or perhaps that patch?

Believe it or not, it's very visible when looking in the direction of the planet. And pretty much anywhere in the spherical projection of the universe from that point that isn't empty to the naked eye. I'm not saying it's easy to spot, but it's a decent possibility that the ship can be spotted.

What law states that the system has a short range? Where are you pulling that from? And yes, the ship is in a geostationary orbit over the planet-based device. Why is that a problem?

Real life. Ain't no fuckin' way they have their paws on some sort of supermaterial that can do shit like that. Not under current canon. Especially considering they explain fuck-all.

A portable cloaking system is great, unless the ship is too small. Wasn't that your original argument? What if that planet is the perfect place to set up an ambush for passing ships? Seems like that device would pay for itself in just one or two raids

That is the absolute worst place to set up ambushes, i.e. in full view of the authorities and/or other civilians. I don't care that you're under cloak, you're not firing shit from your ship, and it's gonna be hard as hell to board the damn thing while it's still moving.

According to you, he's a moron for placing a well-made cloaking system hidden on a planet's surface that will allow him to hide his ship which is too small for an on-board system while he spends an afternoon getting rape-y. Doesn't sound moronic at all. Actually sounds rather smart.

Let me explain why he's dumb for doing this and not saving up enough money to just buy a bigger ship that can actually hold the damn thing, or better yet, fucking retiring because he clearly has a shitload of money:

1. Well-hidden cloaking device don't mean a damn. Someone is going to come across it unless it's, say, in a facility owned by Sir Rape-y Moneybags the First.
2. As I've said before, a planet, especially one that's high-traffic, is the absolute worst place to ambush unsuspecting civilians. For fuck's sake, do it on a route in between high-traffic planets, there's no authorities.
3. The fact that his cloaking device is ground-based means that he cannot benefit from cloak outside of that one planet. Whereas getting a big enough ship to hold the damn thing would mean being able to benefit from cloak anywhere.

ShylokVakarian said:
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I'm not gonna continue to fill this post with a debate on a non-existent hypothetical technological device. There's absolutely no standard for either of us to pin any of these "facts" we're stating, including the post where you initially did all that math.

Bottom line is this guy says he has the best cloaking system money can buy. It's not planet based, it's on board his ship. The entire ship might just be one big cloaking system with space inside for crew, passengers and cargo.

Why not? You don't know. I don't know either. It's not possible to know because cloaking systems don't exist for us to compare and contrast.

But you put a lot of effort into your math up there, so you win. Good?

Acolyte said:
I'm not gonna continue to fill this post with a debate on a non-existent hypothetical technological device. There's absolutely no standard for either of us to pin any of these "facts" we're stating, including the post where you initially did all that math.

Bottom line is this guy says he has the best cloaking system money can buy. It's not planet based, it's on board his ship. The entire ship might just be one big cloaking system with space inside for crew, passengers and cargo.

Why not? You don't know. I don't know either. It's not possible to know because cloaking systems don't exist for us to compare and contrast.

But you put a lot of effort into your math up there, so you win. Good?

I'm satisfied. :)

HD? - Yes
wholesome? - Yes (at the end)
cute? - Very hot
Kink stuff? - Forced sex
Good colours? - No colours

9/10
This submission has earned the UnseenUser001's seal of approval.

shylokvakarian said:
I'm satisfied. :)

Chill, nerd, you don't need to make people think you're smart.

shylokvakarian said:

shylokvakarian said:
I'm satisfied. :)

Chill, nerd, you don't need to make people think you're smart.

You know you're replying to yourself right? 4 years later?

snpthecat said:

ShylokVakarian said:
Chill, nerd, you don't need to make people think you're smart.

You know you're replying to yourself right? 4 years later?

Why yes I do, thank you for asking.

Also, I need to dunk on my past self cuz he's a nerd: Not all planets are inhabited (even in the far-ass future with serious colonization efforts), and, while yes, a planet-based cloaking system is dumb for use with a ship, especially if you're basing on an uninhabited planet anyways (just land on your base), there's no guarantee that he's smart enough to know that. He's a smuggler; not exactly MIT material.

Also, where the fuck are you getting your numbers from? Were you just high when you got those?

EDIT: Oh, and there's no guarantee that the "stealth tech" is even actual stealth tech. Could just be scrambling sensors and targeting computers for all we know. And like hell are you gonna spot a teeny-tiny ship out in the vastness of space with your eyeballs, invisibility cloak or no.

user_141501 said:
I'm sure they could power the tech with the sheer sexual tension alone.

Honestly, the entire ship is probably powered by one really horny guy being constantly edged. That must save a shitload of space compared to the massive 2100 square feet figure I apparently pulled out of my ass for the reactor size. And with like a terawatt of spare energy production.

shylokvakarian said:
Also, I need to dunk on my past self cuz he's a nerd: Not all planets are inhabited (even in the far-ass future with serious colonization efforts), and, while yes, a planet-based cloaking system is dumb for use with a ship, especially if you're basing on an uninhabited planet anyways (just land on your base), there's no guarantee that he's smart enough to know that. He's a smuggler; not exactly MIT material.

Also, where the fuck are you getting your numbers from? Were you just high when you got those?

EDIT: Oh, and there's no guarantee that the "stealth tech" is even actual stealth tech. Could just be scrambling sensors and targeting computers for all we know. And like hell are you gonna spot a teeny-tiny ship out in the vastness of space with your eyeballs, invisibility cloak or no.

Honestly, the entire ship is probably powered by one really horny guy being constantly edged. That must save a shitload of space compared to the massive 2100 square feet figure I apparently pulled out of my ass for the reactor size. And with like a terawatt of spare energy production.

Yeah, that's reasonable