No shower sex?!

dirtydiddy said:
No shower sex?!

There is already a comic about that here

https://e621.net/pool/show/10859

:3

Digitigrades walking flat-footed, look like adorable furry clown shoes. =P

Ratcha said:
There is already a comic about that here

https://e621.net/pool/show/10859

:3

Love that one :3

The male sleeps soundly while the female performs her morning grooming ritual

Upon discovering there is no food sustenance,
The female must "coax" her mate into gathering food...

LokiMcKira said:
Digitigrades walking flat-footed, look like adorable furry clown shoes. =P

feels about like that too. :/ i've been walking semi-digitigrade with my heels a few inches off the ground irl for years now. plantigrade feels so...clumsy now (and once you know the difference in sound between the 2 walking stances, normal plantigrade walking sounds like someone is stomping all the time cause they put their heel down first. :/ now that is annoying.). though plantigrade does have it's benefits depending on the activity your doing such as yard work or something.

but for speed and/or silence, digitigrade will win every time. :P but it does have one major downside...ouch my lower back after a lot of heavy lifting... :(

to this day, i am amazed at how little info there is on humans walking digitigrade. i mean, it's not a matter of "our bodies weren't built for that" since...we weren't "built" for anything in particular and it's not like we can't walk digitigrade...partially since there is a LOT that our bodies can adapt to. it's like a lot of things though, pros and cons.

oh! i know a challenge for anyone who is curious about the digitigrade stance: stand on one foot plantigrade for 2 minutes while keeping your balance... not too hard, right?

ok, now try that again while keeping the heel of whichever foot you're standing on 3 inches off the ground for 2 minutes without falling down.

it takes a lot more effort to learn and maintain your balance. lol

Cool more pages that explain more about these two,

lovely

LokiMcKira said:
Digitigrades walking flat-footed, look like adorable furry clown shoes. =P

Her legs are kind of stumpy too, so that adds to the effect.

Looking good. Also, dat-empty-fridge doh... wonder what she'll have for breakfast~ *lewd-wink*

"Butters"

God dammit.

@treos, if you take a moment to check the actual anatomy in question in your foot, you'll note that your method of walking requires constant plantar flexion. As in, you mainly use half of the relevant muscles to do the job more than the other, because you're only pushing off the ground, and you have to engage them constantly. We'll come back to this. Let's put aside evolution and what the basic structure of the foot tells us about it to talk about *your* foot. Your muscles and what using them does. It's not just pros and cons, the matter has a larger affect on you than you realize.

Regarding your comparison, one motion uses muscles differently than the other, it's normal for a human that normally moves one way to have another experience with a different way. You've changed the muscular balance of your foot, like if you'd worn heels regularly for months. The stability of the foot in one static position does not pertain much to the mechanics of a dynamic movement. If anything it's not even half of it. Using a static motion to talk about a dynamic motion is just incorrect, it's like comparing an apple to an avocado. They're both fruits... but... the toes are literally there to help you balance, it's normal to balance better when you use them more. That doesn't say much about the rest of your foot in other motions, it removes the rest of your foot from the question entirely because you aren't asking about it. (But you've asked before, so it was certainly not intentional.)

I for one would worry about the arch of your foot in the coming years. Because that's actually what is most affected by walking in the way you claim to. This in turn affects your knees later in life. When I was a teenager I also did this to an extent.
I stopped when my sister explained why I was being dumb and what I was ignorant of. She's a registered massage therapist, which in the US means jack shit, but up here in Canada it's an actual regulated medical field with significant requirements in anatomical, neurological, and a few other inter-disciplinary fields of knowledge.

That clumsy feeling you experience now may actually be muscle imbalance. The way you use your foot doesn't just control how you foot is used, it also affects your Tibialis anterior and Gastrocnemius muscles. They're on the front and back of your shin respectively and connect to your foot, they're the muscles that do dorsiflexion and plantar flexion in your preferred method of locomotion. There's also the matter of everything else connecting your toes to your heel, and the rest of your foot period, but I can't explicitly remember anatomy in extremities, they're complicated.

Anyway, you seem to value the affect this has on your perception of bipedal motion and remain quite curious about it, so I strongly suggest you ask someone educated in the anatomy of the foot to explain the long term results of such an act. I'm just the osmosis of a professional relative, I can't give a satisfactory explanation. There's a lot that you won't find on the internet, because not many people have read Kisner and Colby and the ones that have really don't have time to write articles, especially if they run their own practice. I do mean someone that specializes in your structure by the way, not a doctor. They have way more to remember and have less in-depth knowledge about specific systems as a result. Some doctors forget the number of ligaments that hold your foot together in one axis. Which is the difference between going home and going to reconstructive surgery after diagnosis when your foot is actually being held together by swelling and nothing else. Yikes.

There's also the fact that wearing shoes totally changes how you walk and your foot to begin with, but eh... same problem different story. Shoes make it more comfortable for a foot that isn't used to anything else to return to heel striking. There's also the unasked question regarding foot striking at different speeds. If you try running on your toes you'll find it's a bit of a significant trade-off over longer distances. If you understand the basic structure of your foot, the spring, the transfer between different areas of the foot, this just makes sense because of what it was originally used for. (which is back to evolution.) Hell, there's also the anatomical difference between plantigrade and ditigrade animals that spells it out too.

I hope this was helpful! It's long, but hopefully educational. Oh hey, porn! zoom

urxa said:

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lots of medical talk

um...ok...

Anyway, you seem to value the affect this has on your perception of bipedal motion and remain quite curious about it

well, it's...interesting.

Which is the difference between going home and going to reconstructive surgery after diagnosis when your foot is actually being held together by swelling and nothing else. Yikes.

o_O far as i can tell, i don't ever have any swelling related issues.

There's also the fact that wearing shoes totally changes how you walk and your foot to begin with, but eh... same problem different story. Shoes make it more comfortable for a foot that isn't used to anything else to return to heel striking.

i'm aware of what wearing shoes does to the feet compared to not wearing shoes and i actually spend the vast majority of my time barefoot so that's not much of an issue.

There's also the unasked question regarding foot striking at different speeds. If you try running on your toes you'll find it's a bit of a significant trade-off over longer distances.

and i also know of this too. i do try to find ways around that issue however. >.> for one, i know walking/running barefoot tends to use more energy which i've gotten used to over the years.

If you understand the basic structure of your foot, the spring, the transfer between different areas of the foot, this just makes sense because of what it was originally used for. (which is back to evolution.) Hell, there's also the anatomical difference between plantigrade and ditigrade animals that spells it out too.

>.> yes yes...i've heard that kind of stuff before but that doesn't mean we humans can't walk this way. it's not that we're incapable of it. and as i said before, i only walk partial-digitigrade. i know enough about my anatomy that to try and take on a full digitigrade stance would through me WAY off balance and...tbh, that's not worth it at all.

I hope this was helpful! It's long, but hopefully educational.

eh, already knew about some of that stuff and as far as anatomy goes...you can learn a lot about your anatomy when you pay attention while doing stuff like this and practicing basic martial arts movements. i'm well aware of my physical limits so i know when i'm pushing my body too far with something.

i've been walking this way for at least 5 years now and i think the main issues i've had are...

knees popping (though that's nothing special) occasionally.

the weak lower back thing (time for more squats and other exercises. >.> ugh, squats are annoying.)

and...that's about it really. any pain i once had from walking this way was for about a week back when i decided to start walking this way and that only hurt until i got more used/adjusted to the stance. now, the only pain i suffer is when the weather is real cold and ouch, the joints, curse you cold weather for making my joints stiff! >:(

i like to get up and move around a lot, and do basic exercises fairly often (though, not so much during this brutal summer heat. it's hard to do anything when you're literally dripping with sweat just from walking around.). though i tend to push the basics pretty far with things like 100+ pushups/30 second to 1 minute break/and 100+ pushups, 10-20+ squats, and other things. that all helps a lot.

so, yeah, i'm aware of the more noticeable downsides and try to make up for any "weak points" that come of walking this way.

as for things like running. i may have sacrificed endurance or stamina somewhat walking this way but more than made up for it with speed which is something i love improving. i could do 4+ punches per second, legs...not so fast unless i'm up and walking/running but when i push myself i can get quite fast on my feet too.

another thing about the shoes is that they're actually more detrimental compared to walking barefoot. in fact, iirc people who wear shoes most of their life tend to have far more foot related injuries (as well as the dreaded fungal and odor issues from effectively being crammed into a small box all the time.) over time than those who go barefoot instead. softer feet too...and potentially misshapen feet.

i wonder, if you wear shoes all the time, how hard is it for you to walk across something like gravel? and i don't mean that small fine gravel, i mean the kind with relatively large rocks mixed in. the latter is what our driveway is where i live and (while minding the larger stones obviously) i can walk through that gravel fairly easily.

so much to learn when you pay attention to what your body is telling you and so easy to strengthen things by doing certain activities repeatedly over time. makes me wonder why some people waste money going to a gym or something when they can do a better job at home, all on their own without any assistance. nit off topic there but it's a valid point.[/section]

whats the point of wearing underwear? your just gonna have sex again so might as well remain naked

picking up from my previous comment (and i just realized i botched the section on that quote. oop)...

urxa said:
Regarding your comparison, one motion uses muscles differently than the other, it's normal for a human that normally moves one way to have another experience with a different way. You've changed the muscular balance of your foot, like if you'd worn heels regularly for months. The stability of the foot in one static position does not pertain much to the mechanics of a dynamic movement. If anything it's not even half of it. Using a static motion to talk about a dynamic motion is just incorrect, it's like comparing an apple to an avocado. They're both fruits... but... the toes are literally there to help you balance, it's normal to balance better when you use them more. That doesn't say much about the rest of your foot in other motions, it removes the rest of your foot from the question entirely because you aren't asking about it. (But you've asked before, so it was certainly not intentional.)

ew, high heels...no, those deform and ruin your feet. please don't compare how i walk to intentionally ruining ones feet like that.

the only thing deformed about my feet are the crooked toes though that could be blamed on wearing shoes in general since you're effectively cramming your feet into small boxes when wearing shoes. shoes in general have a number of down sides (another being foot odor...again, from being crammed into a small space with little to no real breathing room.).

Using a static motion to talk about a dynamic motion is just incorrect, it's like comparing an apple to an avocado. They're both fruits... but... the toes are literally there to help you balance, it's normal to balance better when you use them more.

regarding this, plantigrade walking tends to have a wheel like motion since the heel touches the ground first with the toes leaving the ground last. digitigrade is mainly a vertical motion of simply raising and lowering the foot. well, the front portion of the foot.

like i said before. it's not that we can't walk this way, it just feels more natural to walk plantigrade (though in my case digitigrade feels more natural). in fact, a lot of times, people walk this way without even realizing it. heck, if you ever sit in a chair with your legs bent and you heels off the ground then your maintaining this stance in a sitting position. it doesn't bother you in those situations, does it?

were we truly incapable of even partial digitigrade stance, i wouldn't have been able to do it from the start. probably the hardest part was simply getting used to it was sore knees. (the knees! they hurt for...about a week until i got more used to this walking stance iirc.)

but for me at least, i still think it was worth it as i can move faster, more silently (as quiet as a cat when i want to :P lol my aunt and uncle always say i should wear a bell around my neck when i sneak up on them. hmmm...i wonder if i could get good enough to be that silent even while wearing a bell like that.), and at this point, i can handle jumping from a height of 3-4+ feet without much effort. still gotta remember to bend the knees on the landing though or else that landing WILL hurt and jar the whole lower body. :/ but that last part applies to everyone.

in the end, i'm afraid there's really not much you could say or do to change my mind about walking this way. and any weakness or shortcomings i find as time goes on, i tend to come up with simple/easy exercises to make up for them.

one exercise, while unrelated to the legs, i like to do for hand-eye coordination and to keep my hands and arms moving faster and faster is this: find a tv remote or an object about that size and weight. next, simply sit down and start tossing it back and forth from hand to hand while slowly increasing the speed and keep it just below a speed where you would slip up and...either toss or drop it accidentally.

with enough practice, even at high speeds, you can do this with your eyes closed (literally).

for the legs, there's squats and...

bouncy...bouncy...my legs are like natural shock absorbers that can just keep me bouncing along as i walk. :P which also helps keep them strong in the process. could probably do like pinkie pie if i wanted too but tbh, that kind of bouncing around looks quite tiresome even for me. that's more like jumping along rather than bouncing. :/

Saw someone talking about legs..... Nothing about the feet/paws?! xD

The fuck are those Feet?

@Treos I'm not a medical expert, but knees popping and lower back pain should be a sign that what you're doing is not healthy.

Human feet are shaped the way they are for a reason. They're the most energy-efficient design that natural selection has devised for our body and stance, and contorting it to emulate a fictional species is going to cause health problems later in life, without a doubt.

SibrokSurname said:
@Treos I'm not a medical expert, but knees popping and lower back pain should be a sign that what you're doing is not healthy.

Human feet are shaped the way they are for a reason. They're the most energy-efficient design that natural selection has devised for our body and stance, and contorting it to emulate a fictional species is going to cause health problems later in life, without a doubt.

why do i even bother talking about this... it's like you people don't even know what you can and can't do. what you're even capable of doing.

the lower back pain can be handled with proper exercise. that's just a simple fact and the same could happen with any part of the body if you don't exercise or work out much.

the knees...that would likely happen anyway as some peoples joint are just like that. one reason that could happen would be arthritis or a number of other things.

as far as natural selection goes. humans have gotten as far as they have thus far with sheer luck for the most part. our worst enemy is ourselves and it's quite the wonder that we've yet to destroy ourselves at some point. though i'm certain that will happen eventually.

plus there's the fact that, in a whole LOT of ways, we're quite inferior to a wide variety of other species of animals. but of course, you'd likely try to deny that fact.

and contorting it to emulate a fictional species is going to cause health problems later in life, without a doubt.

FYI: digitigrade is not a fictional walking stance. in fact, it's likely more common than plantigrade.

plantigrade can let you cover longer distances, sure. but digitigrade can cover ground MUCH faster and you won't sound like you're stomping whenever your walking around. seriously, even normal slow walking sounds like someone is stomping around when walking plantigrade with how you're always slamming your heels into the ground.

i'm actually more surprised that walking plantigrade doesn't lead to foot injuries because of that. >.> but i guess that partly plays into wolff's law

i certainly haven't suffered any foot related injuries while walking semi-digitigrade.

there actually is a number of pros and cons between the 2 walking stance but you people don't care much about that it seems. you just want to argue about how our bodies were made a certain way for a reason while ignoring any benefits that may come from doing things differently.

anyway, you have fun slamming your heels into the ground whenever you walk. me, i'll stick to be swift and silent and not slamming my feet into the ground when walking. :P

@Treos

As the saying goes, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

Humans didn't survive so far by any more luck than any other species out there. The potential to cause our own destruction is a very recent technological development.

It's not a question of weather Digitigrade walking or plantigrade walking is better. both forms were developed over hundreds of thousands of years to suit a specific purpose. Digitigrade walking as you pointed out is made for speed and stealth, works as well being a predator or prey. Plantigrade walking is made for balance and endurance, it allows a bipedal to stand easier without spending as much energy, which worked well for humans since it allowed them to pursue their prey relentlessly until they essentially died of exhaustion. The need for speed having balanced out with the use of tools(weapons) to defend one self against possible predators.

Because in the end, we can all fantasize all we want about being furries, but bodies evolve a certain way to best suit a certain purpose. And human bodies evolved for plantigrade walking. Obviously, there's even less need in nowadays for a human to move faster or quieter, so the body would have no reason to revert back to digitigrade on it's own.

Now if you could convince all your descendants for millenias to walk "semi-digitigrade" as you call it, we might end up seeing some permanent changes in the actual structure of their bodies, in bones, muscles and gait I suspect. But until then, Wolff's Law only applies to you, not the rest of the humans that actually walk plantigrade. =P

I'd also like to point out that you do see foot injuries caused by "always slamming your heels into the ground", it happens in marathon runners. And that's the thing, they don't get hurt because they walk the wrong way or because they don't exercise enough. Quite the contrary, they overdo it, they put more strain on their body than what it was made to endure. And their body was naturally made to endure walking plantigrade, so try to imagine how much strain your body is able to take walking "semi-digitigrade" when it's hasn't been made to endure it for a couple million years.

Your body is made to make the most of bad situations, so yes, it will adapt to the best of it's ability to any strain you put it through, but remind yourself that it has limits. But it is YOUR body, and your are free to abuse it as you wish, just be warned of potential consequences.

Dreaded-Warrior said:
Humans didn't survive so far by any more luck than any other species out there. The potential to cause our own destruction is a very recent technological development.

bullshit! how recent? since the invention of nukes? guns? clubs and throwing rocks at things?

Because in the end, we can all fantasize all we want about being furries, but bodies evolve a certain way to best suit a certain purpose. And human bodies evolved for plantigrade walking. Obviously, there's even less need in nowadays for a human to move faster or quieter, so the body would have no reason to revert back to digitigrade on it's own.

again with this bullshit? i am neither emulating nor fantasizing about being a anthro by walking this way. where the F you people got that idea is beyond me.

and the more humans grow in reliance on technology the weaker they become physically. after all, why do something yourself when you can let machines do it for you?

Now if you could convince all your descendants for millenias to walk "semi-digitigrade" as you call it, we might end up seeing some permanent changes in the actual structure of their bodies, in bones, muscles and gait I suspect. But until then, Wolff's Law only applies to you, not the rest of the humans that actually walk plantigrade. =P

when was i EVER speaking for all of fucking humanity when i was talking about walking this way?

I'd also like to point out that you do see foot injuries caused by "always slamming your heels into the ground", it happens in marathon runners. And that's the thing, they don't get hurt because they walk the wrong way or because they don't exercise enough. Quite the contrary, they overdo it, they put more strain on their body than what it was made to endure. And their body was naturally made to endure walking plantigrade, so try to imagine how much strain your body is able to take walking "semi-digitigrade" when it's hasn't been made to endure it for a couple million years.

"Quite the contrary, they overdo it, they put more strain on their body than what it was made to endure. And their body was naturally made to endure walking plantigrade"

that is precisely how wolff's law works, dumbass! the more you put a sustained lvl of stress on a part of the body over long periods of time, the more the body adapts and remakes that part to be stronger and more durable.

Your body is made to make the most of bad situations, so yes, it will adapt to the best of it's ability to any strain you put it through, but remind yourself that it has limits. But it is YOUR body, and your are free to abuse it as you wish, just be warned of potential consequences.

i'm well aware of my limits. are you aware of yours in the slightest?

and speaking of abusing ones body. go tell this crap to all the martial artists throughout history.

all you people do is focus on the negative. you don't even give a F about any possible advantages. it's always just "well, evolution made us this way for a reason" or "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should".

can't even keep on Fing point with you people cause of that.

Dreaded-Warrior said:
Obviously, there's even less need in nowadays for a human to move faster or quieter, so the body would have no reason to revert back to digitigrade on it's own.

i do this because i want to, not because i need to.

dirtydiddy said:
No shower sex?!

In a furry incest comic? IMPOSSIBLE! lol

Ratcha said:
Since I've figured out a production pipeline that allows me to produce roughly a 20 pages chapter a month (and publish it each other day), I decided to do a bit more pages with character development and interactions.

I think It'll make pronz more fun in the end :3

Let me know what you think tho.

Me Likey... I do a lot of play by e-mail Role-Playing, so I like character development.

Rina has cute little breasts by the way.

Ratcha said:
Since I've figured out a production pipeline that allows me to produce roughly a 20 pages chapter a month (and publish it each other day), I decided to do a bit more pages with character development and interactions.

I think It'll make pronz more fun in the end :3

Let me know what you think tho.

Ace_The_Batdog_1701 said:
Me Likey... I do a lot of play by e-mail Role-Playing, so I like character development.

There's that -- character development -- but, moreover, this type of seemingly mundane slice of life is what I live and die for! Keep it going!

At least he has milk, not that crappy "malk" off-brand.

treos said:
it takes a lot more effort to learn and maintain your balance. lol

Ok why the hell is this downvoted so much?