Damn this goes pretty deep into real-world problems and issues for a *furry porn comic* and I kinda do like that it makes it more realistic good job! :)

I just...don't even know what to say.
At least I'm happy Ambus doesn't let it slide this time.

..Yeah..But..

..Real beings are suffering for your pleasure, as well as other peoples pleasure.

..Also, isn't talking about how shitty a certain [for lack of a better term at this point,] ethnic group is a bad excuse when you're becoming a part of that negative minority? Not only that but DIRECTLY supporting kidnappers, rapists, and murders?

That isn't a good excuse, Mindes is supporting and funding criminals at this point and no matter what excuse or retort he comes up with, the police won't give a shit.

Why give up so quickly on bettering the world you live in as well? Be the change you wanna see n all that.

"Mindes I don't feel safe or comfortable with you spending money on a site about abusing people like me"
"I DON'T CAAAAARE I THOUGHT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE NICE BUT INSTEAD YOU'RE JUST AN ARROGANT PRICK, ALSO YOUR FETISH IS WORSE THAN MINE"
ok

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

What can i say - this comic broke me yesterday and now i'm finally relieved that he is not in fact a serial killer. Mindes needs to grow up and understand what is really going on here, but it's fine bc i hope that we get some character development later.

Man... I wish it just stayed as a lighthearted love story. I'm actually kind of upset that it took this turn.

wdtefv said:
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

kiss! kiss! kiss!

Tracula707 said:
Man... I wish it just stayed as a lighthearted love story. I'm actually kind of upset that it took this turn.

Yup, me too. Which doesn't mean that I will abandon it.
Ambus has a lovely character. And Mindes... I thought he was cute. But he is very broken...

This is getting kind of dumb..

When Mindes has been bullied and abused for liking shinies, it makes sense.

this is seriously living up to its name. trust me. even reading this, im just growing trust issues between both characters

He really doesn't know his "fetish" does hurt others?Him consuming the product encourages more.And trying to shame Ambus like that is disgusting,trying to silence him and make him give in.

"I thought shiny folk would be less cruel" so their colors determine their personality because that's how it works huh

And holy shit this is an incredible comic with such a nice plot mixed in with great art, I am on the edge of my seat

wizard0209 said:
kiss! kiss! kiss!

i could just hear the voice as soon as i saw a damn K.

Kinda wondering how everyone here would feel if the content Mindes is looking at WASN'T paid for, but just downloaded for free. Remove the whole "supporting the criminal element" bit. Would make it more ambiguous instead of painting Mindes as objectively wrong rather than just on the wrong side of morality, as he claims.

okidoki_artichoke_me said:
"I thought shiny folk would be less cruel" so their colors determine their personality because that's how it works huh

IRL abused people tend to be kinder and more considerate to those around them. At least that's the theory. Reality tends to see the opposite very often, though. Racial minorities are more homophobic, religious people are more racist, furries are downright horrible to everyone who has a fetish they don't approve of. The whole abused -> abuser thing is bullshit, but that doesn't stop them from being jerks, at least on a group scale.

I don't like Mindes.

CandleJake said:
Kinda wondering how everyone here would feel if the content Mindes is looking at WASN'T paid for, but just downloaded for free. Remove the whole "supporting the criminal element" bit. Would make it more ambiguous instead of painting Mindes as objectively wrong rather than just on the wrong side of morality, as he claims.

The internet has always run off advertisements and user profiling, they've got to recoup their costs somehow. Those sites would have made a profit either way.

You also encourage people to make more of you keep consuming the product. Even if you leave out the commercial aspect, this would still be abuse and involve real people. Money involved or not, you need to draw the line at people being taken advantage of.

CandleJake said:
Kinda wondering how everyone here would feel if the content Mindes is looking at WASN'T paid for, but just downloaded for free. Remove the whole "supporting the criminal element" bit. Would make it more ambiguous instead of painting Mindes as objectively wrong rather than just on the wrong side of morality, as he claims.

IRL abused people tend to be kinder and more considerate to those around them. At least that's the theory. Reality tends to see the opposite very often, though. Racial minorities are more homophobic, religious people are more racist, furries are downright horrible to everyone who has a fetish they don't approve of. The whole abused -> abuser thing is bullshit, but that doesn't stop them from being jerks, at least on a group scale.

He's not just a passive consumer of porn, though. He has a profile where he has "harvested" several shinies before Ambus, which we can assume at this point means taking pictures of them doing anything from sleeping to masturbating without their consent. Even leaving out his subscription to a site with rape, torture, and child abuse on it, he's still a piece of shit for selling his partners' privacy out to the internet.

CandleJake said:
Kinda wondering how everyone here would feel if the content Mindes is looking at WASN'T paid for, but just downloaded for free. Remove the whole "supporting the criminal element" bit. Would make it more ambiguous instead of painting Mindes as objectively wrong rather than just on the wrong side of morality, as he claims.

Well, sure Mindes wouldn't directly be a part of it, but he'd still be into non consensual rape, bullying and murder of shiny pokemon.
All of that while dating shinies exclusively and hiding these "special interests" from them.
So in the end, it would still be pretty creepy and disrespectful.

is this a gurry comic?

It's an aaaaaaaaaalegory!!

Panel 6 really confuses me,why is Mindes being framed in a "Heroic and standing up for himself" stance like he's being so brave?

AgentFox007 said:
Panel 6 really confuses me,why is Mindes being framed in a "Heroic and standing up for himself" stance like he's being so brave?

In the real world, people tend to defend/explain their actions, even if it's morally wrong. It's not an act of bravery.

CephalonVezir said:
That isn't a good excuse, Mindes is supporting and funding criminals at this point.

And you support brainwashing by financing all the shitty violence and immorality we see every day, you support human experiments by financing the "medicine" industry, you also support...You also support criminals. The only difference is that that criminals he supports are "illegal" while yours are (at least partially) legal. His affect very few people while yours affect the masses.

But sure, go ahead and lie to yourself that you are better than him.

onegai said:
In the real world, people tend to defend/explain their actions, even if it's morally wrong. It's not an act of bravery.

And what is moral? The principles of the majority. If there majority were murderers , NOT killing would be immoral.

AoBird said:
And you support brainwashing by financing all the shitty violence and immorality we see every day, you support human experiments by financing the "medicine" industry, you also support...You also support criminals. The only difference is that that criminals he supports are "illegal" while yours are (at least partially) legal. His affect very few people while yours affect the masses.

But sure, go ahead and lie to yourself that you are better than him.

And what is moral? The principles of the majority. If there majority were murderers , NOT killing would be immoral.

Pretty sure they don't snap pictures of their partner post coitus and post them up on the internet without their consent.

This whole post is hilarious otherwise: there's a significant difference between funding something as enormous and all encompassing as the medical industry that's inextricably linked to the lives of tens of millions of people, with positive and negative effects, and putting money into a website appealing to fetishists, amoral or otherwise.

AoBird said:
And you support brainwashing by financing all the shitty violence and immorality we see every day, you support human experiments by financing the "medicine" industry, you also support...You also support criminals. The only difference is that that criminals he supports are "illegal" while yours are (at least partially) legal. His affect very few people while yours affect the masses.

But sure, go ahead and lie to yourself that you are better than him.

And what is moral? The principles of the majority. If there majority were murderers , NOT killing would be immoral.

Found the person who'd argue in support of pedophiles fucking real children "because a lot of people doing it makes it okay!!!"

onegai said:
Found the person who'd argue in support of pedophiles fucking real children "because a lot of people doing it makes it okay!!!"

As you would, provided that is a the reality.
You could have easily been born into a world where killing and rape is a norm, just like you did to this, where it isn't.
How about you use that brain of yours a little before insulting someone.

AoBird said:
And you support brainwashing by financing all the shitty violence and immorality we see every day, you support human experiments by financing the "medicine" industry, you also support...You also support criminals. The only difference is that that criminals he supports are "illegal" while yours are (at least partially) legal. His affect very few people while yours affect the masses.

But sure, go ahead and lie to yourself that you are better than him.

And what is moral? The principles of the majority. If there majority were murderers , NOT killing would be immoral.

And by "you" this case I meant it as a plural, not (you)CephalonVezir in particular.

AoBird said:
As you would, provided that is a the reality.
You could have easily been born into a world where killing and rape is a norm, just like you did to this, where it isn't.
How about you use that brain of yours a little before insulting someone.

Uh, no. Incorrect on so many levels. Currently in the Middle East, where fucking children is considered normal, there are plenty (mostly women) who do not find it acceptable to fuck a child. I am a female and the thought never crossed my mind, even in Muslim turf, where little girls are raped--they do not think it is okay, either. Of course you would think EVERYONE DOES IT because of your simplemindedness.

Just like in slavery times, there were people who did not own slaves because they believed it was wrong, despite it being a common and accepted thing for society at the time. Someone got real defensive over that, trying to shift the blame onto me. Sounds like someone has some skeletons in their closet.

Just because many people are doing it does not mean all will, and your ignorant statement that I or anyone else here would is stupid.

onegai said:
Uh, no. Incorrect on so many levels. Currently in the Middle East, where fucking children is considered normal, there are plenty (mostly women) who do not find it acceptable to fuck a child. I am a female and the thought never crossed my mind, even in Muslim turf, where little girls are raped--they do not think it is okay, either. Of course you would think EVERYONE DOES IT because of your simplemindedness.

Just like in slavery times, there were people who did not own slaves because they believed it was wrong, despite it being a common and accepted thing for society at the time. Someone got real defensive over that, trying to shift the blame onto me. Sounds like someone has some skeletons in their closet.

Just because many people are doing it does not mean all will, and your ignorant statement that I or anyone else here would is stupid.

What the fuck are you talking about, you are going to the ends of the universe with your offtopic.

And besides middle east is not a majority, and it is not a majority in middle east. And salves weren't owned by majority either. What I was talking about was, if i have to compare, every house having a slave excluding a few %.

So this history and present you speak off is nowhere near the one probably reality of which I spoke of.

Stop slinging shit in the comments.

fritz said:
The middle east is a society of its own, you imbecile, enough so that when one says "it was considered okay to do", that applies to ANY society in which it was acceptable at one point, western, eastern, or otherwise. Middle east is a perfect example of people currently finding pedophilia okay, and a great example of just how many people, majority women and the victims, DO NOT APPROVE OF IT DESPITE IT BEING CONSIDERED NORMAL. Dense lad. So, shut up saying "oh you'd fuck a kid if others were doing it" creep. We all know YOU'D do it seein how you're so okay with group think and "well if others do it, I can, should, and would do it, too!" Stop being a damn wild ape and have some humanity. "Morals are stupid" cant wait to see you arrested for doing something illegal as morals are a part of the justice system

You are also missing the point (I know about the shit at middle east [at least some of it] and I don't fucking support it, and I'm not fucking ok with it. And you don't know shit about me or what I would do you can lie to yourself, again, and say you know what I would do).

My fucking point was that you wouldn't think the way you would do now if you were part of a different reality.

Outlines:

- "Mindles is bad because he supports (financial or otherwise) torture"
> "People are bad because they support brainwash, violence, human experiments, immorality, murder.
+ Some high morality excuses
> "You wouldn't think the same way if reality was different (as you would basically be a different person).

Applied to that slave example:
If 90% of the planet owned slaves, maybe two people on the whole Earth would think is wrong.
It is easy to say how that is wrong now because it is not the "moral" it is not the reality we live in.

AoBird said:
mental

I said the real world, not "inside AoBird's mental ward of a head". The real world, that Grim is portraying here. Not your fetish world.
If reality was any different in this comic, Grim would have said something. But he's treating it exactly like the real world. Everyone who discusses Mindes' actions in comic recognizes it as a bad thing.

It's wrong because it hurts people. If the majority can't see that, it doesn't matter. It's still wrong whether they think it or not. It's also stupid to think that only two people would think it's wrong. 10% of the population is a HUGE PORTION of the population. ~700,000,000. Seven hundred million is a lot of people, enough to make a change if there is a push for it.

And you don't even account for the opinions of the ones being enslaved. They represent the people who also don't support it. So if there's one slave per person, half of the population, that's still ~2.4-3 billion people who may not be happy with their situation. Rebellion will happen sooner or later. Your example is awful. As 90% of the world's population statistically could not own a slave. It would be 49% or less and even then, that's still ~50% of people who are not happy.

Same with pedophilia. There is always a victim and they will not be happy no matter how 'accepted' it is in society.

Mindes' speak of morals, true meaning eludes.

Pretty sure I said to stop. That doesn't mean "hey do this some more." Next time's a slap.

This actually struck reality hard

Everything he is saying is sounding really dicky. Or inhuman. Very inhuman. Like pretty fucked up and then trying to victimize himself because he is judged for it makes him seem even more of a shitty person.

onegai said:
In the real world, people tend to defend/explain their actions, even if it's morally wrong. It's not an act of bravery.

No I mean the way he's framed in the panel and his pose

Battle_Fennec said:
When Mindes has been bullied and abused for liking shinies, it makes sense.

I don't know why this comment got -4 score. It's a fact. Do facts insult you?

Battle_Fennec said:
I don't know why this comment got -4 score. It's a fact. Do facts insult you?

On this site I would just take downvotes as a sign of logical superiority. Not all the time, but of course illogical shit that coincides with similar thinking is what gets you upvotes, thinking against peoples safe space is what gets you shit on and as much as I avoid instigating things it's hilarious the shit I can get dragged into for what I think.

Dont fuck with his muk fetish

"I THOUGHT YOU'D BE MORE UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE YOU'RE A DIFFERENT COLOR"

Pardon the stupid Cinema Sins joke here, but-
That's racist. *DING*

On a more serious note, is it just me, or is Ambus' argument not reaching Mindes in the slightest?
"Mindes, you're providing funds to a site that was made for literal torture porn of Shinies, such as myself. You took a near immediate interest in me, for being Shiny. You've made risqué, possibly straight up pornographic, pictures of me publicly available on the site, filled with people that also fund the Shiny torture porn business."
"What /I/ look at doesn't hurt people!"

That doesn't even go into the fact that Mindes advertised that he's most likely done horrible things to several other Shiny Pokemon.

But the thing that bothers me most is that Mindes is obviously aware that the site hosts pictures and videos starting Pokemon that have been missing for a long time, and he insists that it "isn't his place to care". I feel like that's... borderline accessory to kidnapping?

Still, seriously looking forward to this story. The twists and turns are brilliant, in spite of how much Ambus' oblivious personality gets to me.

Well... Actually yes, it's your responsibility to report a crime T_T

grimart always hits home with pinpoint accuracy for me