Phew. That's... A heavy dose of reality.

It's good to see them acknowledge how messed up he was.

RedderRabbit said:
Hella mixed signals here. Did they enjoy their time with him or not?

This is obv. years later, when the kids likely grown up to realize his behavior was not normal.Dad never seemed all that into it in any of these pics so I'm assuming it was his father coercing him to sleep with his own son.

Rixoli said:
This is obv. years later, when the kids likely grown up to realize his behavior was not normal.Dad never seemed all that into it in any of these pics so I'm assuming it was his father coercing him to sleep with his own son.

RedderRabbit said:
I dunno, just seems like a cop-out on the son's end. Though I can also see him being mad not because he felt abused, but because he felt his dad was abused.
Then again, I'm probably drawing conclusions when there's pieces missing from the whole story.

Rixoli is precisely correct. when a child is raised (and, in particular, *groomed*) in an environment like that, they grow up not being able to comprehend how wrong everything is, until they get older and really look around them. (i am speaking from childhood experience)

I was coerced into thinking it was something normal as an 8 year old child, by a much older cousin. Looking back on it - I did think it was fun, and I might even have been the one initiating it later on. It went on for a long time. Because I was brainwashed into thinking it was just another game. It was like playing a video-game for me.

But now that I'm older I know that it broke something inside me. And there's a whole lotta self-blame, too.

This picture is pretty spot on.

Please make this canon, the gramps is so unlikable it makes every bit of sense ;;

RedderRabbit said:
Well, then who inflicted more harm, the one who did something the subject enjoyed, or the society that beat them into renouncing it for the sake of their own wellbeing?
I understand that the number of situations in real life where the victim isn't directly harmed is basically nil and we can't afford to split hairs like that in the real world, but in these very specific circumstances it makes me wonder if they say it was horrible because it truly was, or because they were browbeaten into it.

Though I do agree, Silas is a dirtbag.

The person who abused a child and groomed them into enjoying abuse did the most harm. Children are incapable of consent, no matter how much they may "want" it. It is easy to convince a child they "want" something. They cannot comprehend the depth and consequences of sex. Silas would be a dirtbag whether or not murphy enjoyed it.

SycophanticFeline said:
I was coerced into thinking it was something normal as an 8 year old child, by a much older cousin. Looking back on it - I did think it was fun, and I might even have been the one initiating it later on. It went on for a long time. Because I was brainwashed into thinking it was just another game. It was like playing a video-game for me.

But now that I'm older I know that it broke something inside me. And there's a whole lotta self-blame, too.

This picture is pretty spot on.

It isn't your fault for being groomed. I went through similar incestuous abuse with a caretaker. it began so young I had no choice but to be okay with it despite my confusion and fear, it was all i knew. I grew up having endless night terrors which I now need to be heavily medicated for, and it ruined my sense of self so thoroughly, I only survive by dissociation. (To the point that I thought everyone existed feeling detached from their body)

Admittedly I'm also explaining this stuff for the other poster because it seems they didn't really register the "it broke something." comment. Child abuse doesn't break children by "society's" standards. It ruins their lives, in most cases. There may be some outliers but I have yet to meet one in speaking to many who have been abused.

devito said:
The person who abused a child and groomed them into enjoying abuse did the most harm. Children are incapable of consent, no matter how much they may "want" it. It is easy to convince a child they "want" something. They cannot comprehend the depth and consequences of sex. Silas would be a dirtbag whether or not murphy enjoyed it.

It isn't your fault for being groomed. I went through similar incestuous abuse with a caretaker. it began so young I had no choice but to be okay with it despite my confusion and fear, it was all i knew. I grew up having endless night terrors which I now need to be heavily medicated for, and it ruined my sense of self so thoroughly, I only survive by dissociation. (To the point that I thought everyone existed feeling detached from their body)

Admittedly I'm also explaining this stuff for the other poster because it seems they didn't really register the "it broke something." comment. Child abuse doesn't break children by "society's" standards. It ruins their lives, in most cases. There may be some outliers but I have yet to meet one in speaking to many who have been abused.

took me till now to realize i posted this as my alt rip

i feel like i shouldnt be feeling bad for silas but i cant help it, it shows how much something can happen just by being a bit greedy for money.
silas's hooker mom made him think that the whole world was just being abused and constant sex, and now he was brainwashed into thinking it was normal, which lead to his family hating him :(

lol2gaydick said:
i feel like i shouldnt be feeling bad for silas but i cant help it, it shows how much something can happen just by being a bit greedy for money.
silas's hooker mom made him think that the whole world was just being abused and constant sex, and now he was brainwashed into thinking it was normal, which lead to his family hating him :(

no matter how bad his childhood was, it's not really an excuse to rape his descendants, which was his choice, every time.
though it is valid to feel bad for him, as for any victim, it's best, at least imo, not to excuse his abhorrent behavior on behalf of his abuser. she was a monster, but was raised just the same as she raised her son. (though that has yet to be illustrated, cyclical abuse is The Theme of my dogs)

devito said:
Admittedly I'm also explaining this stuff for the other poster because it seems they didn't really register the "it broke something." comment. Child abuse doesn't break children by "society's" standards. It ruins their lives, in most cases. There may be some outliers but I have yet to meet one in speaking to many who have been abused.

I'm going to start off by apologizing for the kinda Necro post here, as well as by saying I'm not fond of these discussions with strangers, but I wanted to say something.

I'm fond of the idea that life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% how you respond to it. Without going into detail, since it's the only way anyone is ever considered anything but dismissable on the matter, I'll give up a piece of the ghost and say I was abused... pretty much my whole childhood. Not sexually, mind you. I still hold to the 10-90 idea, and am inclined to say that, while my experiences shaped who I've become, it never ruined my life. It could have, if I dwelled on it for much longer than I already had.

I spent my years of anger, regret, etc. at situations and people. I forgave them, then got pissed at them again, then forgave them, so on and so forth. Eventually I realized it was kind of a "Why does this matter to me?" Thing. I began to actually consider what it really changed about me in my life. It wasn't nothing, but it wasn't much either compared to the life I wanted, the things I needed to do to have that life, or the life I had already lead. So, fucking forgiveness, I decided to just let as much of that go as I could. A huge part of that (to get to my point here at last) was realizing that a lot of my issues about what I'd been through were societal. Not just what society said I should feel about the events themselves, but also... I don't know the best way to describe it but... the idea of "what my life should have contained." Again, without getting into detail, I had this feeling like something was taken from me that... never existed in the first place. My life, same with most people, wasn't this perfect place with the perfect family and all the perfect fluffy feelings and post-modern trinkets on mantle pieces kind of life, if you get my meaning. It was years of... freaky shit, sure... but society had no right to take from me my right to say I'm damned proud of the nut I became because of that life, because for all it's flaws, it made me a good person with a damned personality!

I'm a freak for my freaky life and I'm freaking proud of that! X3

Both who I became and how I feel about that is without a doubt 10% the life that happened to me and 90% what I did with that. I don't think that's something beyond anyone's capabilities.

I'll cut this shorter since it's getting long in the tooth with my regailing y'all with my crap, and just say: I get where the guys coming from. Hell, I think I get where both of you are coming from. On one hand, this shit, be it sexual or not, can be traumatic. That's a legitimate thing to deal with. On the other hand, society blows it up a bit too much. Tries to put so much weight and blame on abuse that it takes our power to grow beyond it away if we listen to it. But that's just my opinion, based on my little slice of life so far. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to think, just express how I think about these things.

In the same vein, I find it cathartic, but a total turn-off the hyper-realistic domestic abuse thing these characters have going on. It's interesting though. And I love the art style. So, keep up the good work, and I hope you're staying healthy, Perish. And all you fellow fuzzbutts. :3

(I'm also very sorry for the huge wall of text. X3)

I can feel bad and empathize with the situation these characters had to go through, but I'm still gonna fap.

Also wanted to add that I like the hairline detail where the white goes up higher and higher the older the character is.

You have unlocked the: Sadly Realistic ending

i absolutely love how harsh this dialogue is. the whole sentiment of an empty bouquet is really powerful