Unfortunately there is no better term that can be used on e621. There has been some talk of replacing the currently-used tags for intersex characters with less... slur-ish tags, but that was a while ago and while there was some agreement on the point that it would be good to change the name of the tags, there wasn't agreement on what they could effectively be changed to, while maintaining the current TWYS system (which is pretty vital to the functioning of the site).

Transmale and nonbinary don't work particularly well as tags for various reasons, hence why they are aliased away.

To answer your question, we've used the terms "cuntboy" and "dickgirl" here because we operate on a Tag What You See policy. Some masculine characters with feminine genitalia may have transitioned to get where they are, and some may have been canonically born that way, and there's no way to tell in just one little scene. I think we only use tags relating to transition when the transition is in the actual artwork.
Theoretically we could replace those with "intersex_male" and "intersex_female", but those are the words we've been using for a while now. Could be something to potentially talk to an admin about.

Clawdragons said:
Unfortunately there is no better term that can be used on e621. There has been some talk of replacing the currently-used tags for intersex characters with less... slur-ish tags, but that was a while ago and while there was some agreement on the point that it would be good to change the name of the tags, there wasn't agreement on what they could effectively be changed to, while maintaining the current TWYS system (which is pretty vital to the functioning of the site).

Transmale and nonbinary don't work particularly well as tags for various reasons, hence why they are aliased away.

Octomilanar said:
To answer your question, we've used the terms "cuntboy" and "dickgirl" here because we operate on a Tag What You See policy. Some masculine characters with feminine genitalia may have transitioned to get where they are, and some may have been canonically born that way, and there's no way to tell in just one little scene. I think we only use tags relating to transition when the transition is in the actual artwork.
Theoretically we could replace those with "intersex_male" and "intersex_female", but those are the words we've been using for a while now. Could be something to potentially talk to an admin about.

thank you both!

Demesejha said:
Theres functionally no difference between using the term transmale instead, its purely a choice by staff to keep it that way.

I hope you realize that 100% of the content we host here are made up fantasy, meaning there are characters who are males with female genitalia who are not trans and do not identify as trans, at which point tagging them as trans would be wrong. Hell, we even have characters with multi anus and penis tongue thrown in with both sets of genitalia because why not? You don't have to bind yourself into reality, you can just indulge yourself into something you couldn't (also reason why I like games so much and why I don't feel that those who do gore are violent in real life or like cub are pedophiles, but oh boy that's a whole another contriversal topic).

Because of this we would need tag to describe how the body looks which would also apply to both fantasy characters as well as trans characters as our tagging is purely visual based. Because of this slurry, pornographic terms like "cuntboy" are most wide known and instantly understood terms (just now seeing it being used in source comments, not because the user was malicious but was simply asking question and the word was easiest way to convey the question). The terms that have been suggested are either extremely long, extremely ambiguous (e.g. intersex_male is it male with female genitalia or female with male genitalia?) or just straight up wrong (usually coming from users who do not understand the fantasy notion).

Also because tagging is purely visual based, that simply means that that's how post is categorized in the computer database, this is never supposed to be taken as truth nor does it change the character into something they aren't and I simply hate when there's someone who doesn't understand this, but demands non-visual information to be tagged. Everyone is still free to use description and character wiki (? next to character tag) to state lore and non-visual information if they so desire. Also names are excluded from TWYS for this exact reason, no matter how the character is tagged, as the character itself is tagged you can always seek them out and see their information outside the tagging system.

When cuntboy/dickgirl tags are aliased, all posts with them attached will automatically have the new tag and if someone does feel extremely strongly of the word, then we do have takedown system which I always encourage anyone to use if they have feeling they don't want their stuff or characters here for any reason.

I still feel like I'm not too qualified to even talk of this topic, I'm just getting extremely tired of it, especially when I see comments like this that "oh, staff is just bunch of transfobics and that's why you can only cuntboy".

SecOne said:
gimme straight version, gimme gimme

he's already got a pussy just imagine that he's a flat chested girl you heathen

Changing tag names seems to require too much work with little merit, so the original "terminology" suffices just fine. Probably why there's 'presenting_hindquarters' instead of 'presenting_ass.' No point in going the length to change it for personal reasons.

Reinquished said:
Changing tag names seems to require too much work with little merit, so the original "terminology" suffices just fine. Probably why there's 'presenting_hindquarters' instead of 'presenting_ass.' No point in going the length to change it for personal reasons.

Changing tag names doesn't need to be done manually, and can be done via implications and aliases, so it's not really as bad as you'd think.

The tag is presenting_hindquarters because the character in question is not always presenting their butt, but might be presenting their vagina. Particularly so for ferals. Honestly presenting_ass would be a pretty bad tag and I don't understand why you would think it would be preferable.

Furthermore,, I think there's plenty of merit in changing the tags away from stuff that some people think is a slur. And I think in other contexts, you would probably agree - imagine if we tagged dark skin with a racial slur. Unless you are a completely lost cause, I would imagine you would recognize that that is not an ideal state of affairs.

SecOne said:
gimme straight version, gimme gimme

or you can look at the straighty tag and not be dumb in the comments

Nice animation, but the audio sounds like lubed rubber on rubber

Yeah. Dont want to sound like a downer or rude. But i dont think the audio that is being used isnt right for fuzz's animations. TBH they sound better quiet.

My problem I have with this is since this loop is only 2 seconds the sound gets repetitive I think it should have been longer to space it out and side note I think adding some soft moans would have made this amazing. But other then that this is really good and I love it. (The fox's face is A+)

Captain_Chronic said:
Blatantly dishonest stuff

I don't believe for one second that you don't recognize that what terms are officially used for tags on this site is an entirely separate issue from what people choose to call themselves personally.

I have no clue why people choose to get upset so badly over words. How can you live that way, in anger every day?

Emmentaler said:
I have no clue why people choose to get upset so badly over words. How can you live that way, in anger every day?

It's like a case of association. People get hung up on the negative connotations maybe due to some personal belief or history with it. Others seem to project their protection though as you can often see people not within a certain minority declaring "this isn't right!", often feeling more like that individual believes the minority they stand for can't defend themselves.

I couldn't help but laugh when I saw an artist get so hurt over their art/characters labelled as "traps". It's just petty.

Also fuzz mentions on their FA that they will not create this kind of material.

But here we are anyways.

(Not like I'm no appreciative of it tho, I'm more thinking "thank god" lmao)

Octomilanar said:
To answer your question, we've used the terms "cuntboy" and "dickgirl" here because we operate on a Tag What You See policy. Some masculine characters with feminine genitalia may have transitioned to get where they are, and some may have been canonically born that way, and there's no way to tell in just one little scene. I think we only use tags relating to transition when the transition is in the actual artwork.
Theoretically we could replace those with "intersex_male" and "intersex_female", but those are the words we've been using for a while now. Could be something to potentially talk to an admin about.

I thought tag what you see wasn't a thing anymore?

SilkywereRedux said:
I thought tag what you see wasn't a thing anymore?

I don't know why you thought that, but it is incorrect. The policy here is still TWYS.

https://e621.net/wiki/show/tag_what_you_see

Octomilanar said:
To answer your question, we've used the terms "cuntboy" and "dickgirl" here because we operate on a Tag What You See policy. Some masculine characters with feminine genitalia may have transitioned to get where they are, and some may have been canonically born that way, and there's no way to tell in just one little scene. I think we only use tags relating to transition when the transition is in the actual artwork.
Theoretically we could replace those with "intersex_male" and "intersex_female", but those are the words we've been using for a while now. Could be something to potentially talk to an admin about.

Seems to me that this is a limitation in the tagging system. A tag tree would be superior, but has logistical problems that need to be discussed away.

Leonine said:
Oh no! Is someone offended by the furry porn? Go get a life, you daft punks.

Where in this thread has someone complained about the existence of porn? Seems like you are oversimplifying the issue.

I'm glad all this discussion went somewhere and now we have andromorph and gynomorph

MillicentCyrielle said:
I'm glad all this discussion went somewhere and now we have andromorph and gynomorph

Same, I just wish people would start tagging them correctly, jfc.

I_messed_up said:
Can we not just appreciate good art, then just stfu and fap?

Hey buddy. This conversation was mostly five months dead. You really should have taken your own advice there.

In other words, you messed up.

millicentcyrielle said:
I'm glad all this discussion went somewhere and now we have andromorph and gynomorph

oh yeah i forgot that

i_messed_up said:
Yeah, just throw more confusing terms into the mix that no one knows or cares about. No offense to you two, but this whole "muh_representation" tagging shit is getting old and ridiculous.

for someone who doesn't care, you seem to have a lot of passion in telling people about it

clawdragons said:
Changing tag names doesn't need to be done manually, and can be done via implications and aliases, so it's not really as bad as you'd think.

The tag is presenting_hindquarters because the character in question is not always presenting their butt, but might be presenting their vagina. Particularly so for ferals. Honestly presenting_ass would be a pretty bad tag and I don't understand why you would think it would be preferable.

Furthermore,, I think there's plenty of merit in changing the tags away from stuff that some people think is a slur. And I think in other contexts, you would probably agree - imagine if we tagged dark skin with a racial slur. Unless you are a completely lost cause, I would imagine you would recognize that that is not an ideal state of affairs.

Yes but now we have gynomorph which doesn't split up male body's with female (and male) genitalia from female body with male (and female) genitalia which on a personal level due to personal preference is annoying

Edit: didn't realize andromorph existed so nevermind I guess

clawdragons said:
I don't believe for one second that you don't recognize that what terms are officially used for tags on this site is an entirely separate issue from what people choose to call themselves personally.

not when that site uploads and categorizes other peoples characters. still applies. you're adding a label to my character i didn't approve of. it's an identity i don't accept. don't force it on me.

y'all stfu enjoy the porn

mint_monstrosity said:
y'all stfu enjoy the porn

The last comment before yours was over a year old, they've definitely stfu'd by now lmao

secone said:
gimme straight version, gimme gimme

i mean there was a straight version literally 3 days ago lol
*three days ago from when this was posted