Stargazer420 said:
This isn't an advertising site

https://i.imgur.com/kWmonyk.png
:3c

Maybe consider blacklisting ''patreon''?

Why is this tagged for removal when the artist themselves uploaded it?

blitzdrachin said:
https://i.imgur.com/kWmonyk.png
:3c

Maybe consider blacklisting ''patreon''?

He did this on another post a month ago which got deleted.

Viperious said:
He did this on another post a month ago which got deleted.

I guess that happens when the advertizing link covers a huge part of the image ruining the quality of it. But i'm just guessing :p.

Silverwolf6266 said:
tbh, I'm on the fence about copyrighted shit being patreon exclusive to begin with. It's like a whole copyright lawsuit just waiting to happen.

While we wait I will still drawing stuff I like and profit with my own art uwu.

Silverwolf6266 said:
That's just it, you don't own Guilmon or Impmon, yeah you drew the artwork, but you don't own the characters. Would be a completely different story if you did.

The copyright holders of those characters are the only ones with the rights to tell me to stop ;3c. If they do, I stop drawing their characters, simple like that ;D.

Silverwolf6266 said:
That's not how it'll work. Basically at some point those companies will file a class action lawsuit against patreon. Basically making it illegal to post any kind of fan-art on their site. If the companies push hard enough, they'll penalize anyone who has posted such content, up to and including you. You might want to keep that in mind.

Eh nope, they will send a C&D to Patreon to remove the content on my account, my account will be suspended and it won't be lift until I delete all the content with the characters of the copyright holders. If I deny, my account will be banned. If I insist, I get in legal issues :3.

But will be waiting if it happens what you said~

Silverwolf6266 said:

I profit with the HQ versions of my artwork ;p. Drawing known characters for artworks in weird/funny situations (parody) is fine for me as long the copyright owner don't complain or told me before to not do that. And yeah, gonna have fun with it ^^-b

Silverwolf6266 said:
You're kind of missing the point. You don't own digimon. If this was something like Friskyferals artwork, no one could complain because they were your own characters and your own story. You're taking owned characters. So long as some form of their property is being exploited for an individuals benefit then their's going to be consequences. Especially with an overly obvious paper trail like Patreon.

Oof, I have seen Seferiren's haters just because she profits with her work on Patreon, and she's got worse situations and more complains than I ever had :p, that's such a poor excuse. But here is the hard to swallow pill, ''you cannot please everyone'', I will just still drawing whatever I want. If people likes it, cool, if only a minority don't like, not my problem unless they are copyright owner xD.

Parodies exists, and most of times it's about using existing characters on situations they wouldn't be, i'm not claiming those characters as mine, neither their story but the artwork done for this comic.

But at this point you seem more annoyed because the whole comic is not available for free, not because the copyright holder of the characters. Also because Patreon being used for it, maybe you can blacklist it and you won't be seeing submissions with patreon being mentioned on the pic.

Silverwolf6266 said:
You just admitted that you're not the copyright owner while claiming to be the copyright owner! HAHAHAHAA what the fuck dude? Here's a harder pill to swallow, copyright suites exists, and so long as there are people profiting off of someone elses work, they'll be claims against them. But nice attempt at deflection with the "You're just mad cause it's not free" argument. If I stole your shit and just called it parody you'd be pissed too.

I honestly would love to see a drawn parody of this comic, if that's what you mean with ''stole your shit'' xddd.

Silverwolf6266 said:
You just admitted that you're not the copyright owner while claiming to be the copyright owner! HAHAHAHAA what the fuck dude? Here's a harder pill to swallow, copyright suites exists, and so long as there are people profiting off of someone elses work, they'll be claims against them. But nice attempt at deflection with the "You're just mad cause it's not free" argument. If I stole your shit and just called it parody you'd be pissed too.

Hey dude, you might wanna look up the Fair Use law in the U.S.

Blitzdrachin wasn't the fist person to monetize porn of copyrighted characters, and she won't be the last. In fact, I doubt there would be nearly enough rule 34 of some franchises, good examples being Pokemon and My little Pony, if that law didn't exist. Similarly, a lot of popular youtubers would be out of business without this law, because otherwise a small clip or sound-byte would be enough to demonetize them or have them taken down.

Regardless, whats the point of this argument anyways? What are you trying to achieve here? Why are you so upset? Are you the copyright holder and want this removed?

Silverwolf6266 said:
Let's get something straight, fan-art is not protected under fair use when it's monetized to this degree. The characters are copyright protected, so using them requires permission from the owner in any instance. The reason a few companies let it slide is because it attracts attention to their brand, so they don't care if a few people make a couple bucks off it. However, when you're an established brand, and you don't want your property put out like this, they have every right to come after you for it.

So why the big deal? Because the more people do this "I'll keep stealing so long as i can get away with it" the larger the case that will happen against those communities. It wouldn't shock me one tiny bit, if the US decided after a massive lawsuit against patreon that Fan-art no longer fell under any form of fair use protection and so any and all forms of it were made illegal. It's not that hard to do, the EU just passed legislature similar to this just recently.

So the point is the backlash doesn't just effect the artist, it effects the community. If you draw something that's your own creation and people get pissed that you paywall it, that's their problem. You drew your own characters, your own story your entitled to compensation if you're skilled at it. But fan art, doesn't deserve such compensation. In fact Patreons own TOS states. "You may not post creations that infringe others' intellectual property or proprietary rights."

Your argument that small sound bites are protected would only be true if Guilmon or Impmon in this instance made a cameo appearance, or were reference in some piece of background. But no, they are the main focus. So no, it's not a matter so much of "Being mad" its just simply the statement that by paywalling copyrighted content you are fucking things up long term for every other artist drawing that kind of artwork, free or otherwise.

From what I know, it falls under Fair Use as long it isn't threatening the market, on this case I don't see how this comic would threat Bandai. It would be different if I made a videogame using digimon characters making competence to their videogames, same with the TCG or physical merchandising.

Also your point seems kinda exagerated, I doubt very much that happens. The US already rejected too many laws that may affect fan art.

Silverwolf6266 said:
Let's get something straight, fan-art is not protected under fair use when it's monetized to this degree. The characters are copyright protected, so using them requires permission from the owner in any instance. The reason a few companies let it slide is because it attracts attention to their brand, so they don't care if a few people make a couple bucks off it. However, when you're an established brand, and you don't want your property put out like this, they have every right to come after you for it.

So why the big deal? Because the more people do this "I'll keep stealing so long as i can get away with it" the larger the case that will happen against those communities. It wouldn't shock me one tiny bit, if the US decided after a massive lawsuit against patreon that Fan-art no longer fell under any form of fair use protection and so any and all forms of it were made illegal. It's not that hard to do, the EU just passed legislature similar to this just recently.

So the point is the backlash doesn't just effect the artist, it effects the community. If you draw something that's your own creation and people get pissed that you paywall it, that's their problem. You drew your own characters, your own story your entitled to compensation if you're skilled at it. But fan art, doesn't deserve such compensation. In fact Patreons own TOS states. "You may not post creations that infringe others' intellectual property or proprietary rights."

Your argument that small sound bites are protected would only be true if Guilmon or Impmon in this instance made a cameo appearance, or were reference in some piece of background. But no, they are the main focus. So no, it's not a matter so much of "Being mad" its just simply the statement that by paywalling copyrighted content you are fucking things up long term for every other artist drawing that kind of artwork, free or otherwise.

The point is that drawn porn of fictional character is considered parody under U.S. law, and thus is protected by fair use. Most porn take downs aren't due to copyright infringement, but protecting the reputation of the copyright holders, i.e. "Will this image make us look bad in the eyes of the public?"

Your implication that an artist pay walling content containing copyrighted characters will end legal portrayal of fan art containing them is an overreaction. You assume that large corporations make the law, and that people must abide by them, rather than a government that attempts to make laws equal. While yes, large corporations have significant sway in these decisions, the U.S. isn't a complete oligarchy, and the existence of Fair Use is an example of a law made to protect people.

Regardless of that, the fact of the matter is that the copyright holders probably won't even care. It's not like they hire people to specifically look for this kind of stuff, and even if they did, how much do they really care? They aren't pissy little children complaining that one of their classmates stole their idea. They have a lot of paperwork, money, and time they need to invest if they want to do anything larger than a C&D, and if the issue isn't very serious, as is this case, why would they even bother? To compound that, do they really want the Streisand effect to kick in and bring more attention to the porn they are trying to hide, in a supposed lawsuit to keep their image clean? Further more, Patreon and other image hosting sites are businesses of their own, and would be severely effected by these actions, and would likely fight against an attempt as large as purging the site of all that content, and thus revenue. What are you trying to tell me, that there will be a nationwide legal battle about what still counts as fair use because a few porn artists used copyrighted characters?

And regardless of all that, even if this type of artwork gets demonetized, isn't that what you are arguing for anyways? What point are you trying to make?

Silverwolf6266 said:
You just admitted that you're not the copyright owner while claiming to be the copyright owner! HAHAHAHAA what the fuck dude?

Why do you keep acting like this is some sort of "gotcha" shit where you're getting them to "admit" something? Everyone knows they don't own the copyright to digimon. They are not claiming to own the copyright to digimon. You are not bamboozling anyone by pointing this out. "HAHAHAHAA" jfc.

Silverwolf6266 said:
Let's get something straight, fan-art is not protected under fair use when it's monetized to this degree. The characters are copyright protected, so using them requires permission from the owner in any instance. The reason a few companies let it slide is because it attracts attention to their brand, so they don't care if a few people make a couple bucks off it. However, when you're an established brand, and you don't want your property put out like this, they have every right to come after you for it.

So why the big deal? Because the more people do this "I'll keep stealing so long as i can get away with it" the larger the case that will happen against those communities. It wouldn't shock me one tiny bit, if the US decided after a massive lawsuit against patreon that Fan-art no longer fell under any form of fair use protection and so any and all forms of it were made illegal. It's not that hard to do, the EU just passed legislature similar to this just recently.

So the point is the backlash doesn't just effect the artist, it effects the community. If you draw something that's your own creation and people get pissed that you paywall it, that's their problem. You drew your own characters, your own story your entitled to compensation if you're skilled at it. But fan art, doesn't deserve such compensation. In fact Patreons own TOS states. "You may not post creations that infringe others' intellectual property or proprietary rights."

Your argument that small sound bites are protected would only be true if Guilmon or Impmon in this instance made a cameo appearance, or were reference in some piece of background. But no, they are the main focus. So no, it's not a matter so much of "Being mad" its just simply the statement that by paywalling copyrighted content you are fucking things up long term for every other artist drawing that kind of artwork, free or otherwise.

If anything of what you said would be true Disney would have gotten rid of fair use about 30 years ago already. As such, keep your hateboner and conspiracy theories to yourself, they're just a pointless disturbance in the comments.

NotMeNotYou said:
If anything of what you said would be true Disney would have gotten rid of fair use about 30 years ago already. As such, keep your hateboner and conspiracy theories to yourself, they're just a pointless disturbance in the comments.

Disney has sued hundreds of independents ranging from pornography, unsanctioned advertising and general misuse.

Nintendo has sued countless people not only independent creators, but genuine fair use cases and companies over the use of its characters.

Toei Animation, Sony Pictures, Universal studios, the list goes on. Funny you mention Disney too, because of a 1978 court ruling in their favor, porn wasn't considered parody so long as the unaltered characters were used. If you drew Mickey as a feral mouse, that was classified as transformative and protected, but if you drew him unaltered, it was deemed not protected under fair use and didn't fall under parody. Many people who are prosecuted by companies such as Disney can't speak about their lawsuits, it's called a NDA. You breech it and it could land you in jail.

The only hateboners here are Blitzs fans like you. I'm pointing out something that should be obvious to anyone with a head on their shoulders. Making money off someone else's work, is copyright infringement. The more it happens, the more companies are going to get pissed about it. When they get pissed about it, they do something drastic to stop it. It's not that hard to figure out.

Wow that's a lot of back and forth about porn.

Oh! Usually I hear folks getting on Blitz's back because of stuff with that watermarking website and the "irony" of using it to enforce their copyright on "characters who don't belong to them". That would be a better hill to die on than discussing Fair Use on the internet for...porn.

The legal infrastructure in regards to the replication of copyrighted content is archaic as is in terms of digital tech, so even trying to touch Fair Use is pretty meaningless. Not to mention it gets thrown around so much that I don't think people know what it means anymore.

Or, like, at least go for the way more common "Blitz makes no original content" if you wanna bash. Come on. The "lol comments" tag in on this post, so that's how you know it's time to leave.

Y'all can stop now. Anyone continuing this is getting a record/ban.

Silverwolf6266 said:
Disney has sued hundreds of independents ranging from pornography, unsanctioned advertising and general misuse.

Nintendo has sued countless people not only independent creators, but genuine fair use cases and companies over the use of its characters.

Toei Animation, Sony Pictures, Universal studios, the list goes on. Funny you mention Disney too, because of a 1978 court ruling in their favor, porn wasn't considered parody so long as the unaltered characters were used. If you drew Mickey as a feral mouse, that was classified as transformative and protected, but if you drew him unaltered, it was deemed not protected under fair use and didn't fall under parody. Many people who are prosecuted by companies such as Disney can't speak about their lawsuits, it's called a NDA. You breech it and it could land you in jail.

The only hateboners here are Blitzs fans like you. I'm pointing out something that should be obvious to anyone with a head on their shoulders. Making money off someone else's work, is copyright infringement. The more it happens, the more companies are going to get pissed about it. When they get pissed about it, they do something drastic to stop it. It's not that hard to figure out.

Off-topic of this off-topic, but I hate Nintendo's fair use team/program. They'll Copyright Claim still images/videos of new games that get covered on YouTube. Not sure if its automatic or a team of people perusing through videos. Either or, it makes giving honest reviews of their games next to impossible. Which is why it's hard to find video reviews with the game inside the video.

I mean, I get it. It's their game, but still. Super frustrating when a huge company abuses features like the copyright claim system.

Frick’s sake I’m just trying to enjoy some nice Digimon porn here stop getting all political and enjoy yourselves

Stargazer420 said:
Yup I flagged for removal because this is an are sharing site, not a place to get money. Wanna make money? Take out an advert for your patron. I will continue to flag content on this site as paid because that is a reportable offense.

That is not what the flag is for. It's for flagging pirated content. You are not in fact supposed to flag ads at all. Advertisement is one of the things that is only for the staff to judge as part of the approval process.

Also artists are allowed to advertise their pay content and services as long as the advertising is not the main point of the post itself. Here all advertisement is just a small patreon link, and some advertisement in description (and yes, artists in fact are allowed to advertise their content in descriptions as much as they want)

Ah yes, the slippery slope that is fair use. Part of the problem here is that different countries have different laws. However in this case it doesn't matter. Because of the way Patreon works it is technically a donation site because you don't actually need to put out anything as is shown by the various accounts on the site that haven't seen updates in months but still make money. In some cases giving more means you get access to more but receiving something based on how much you donate is not a new premise. Hence things like charity t-shirts.

On top of that money is also given as compensation for labor so the argument that the artists time and effort is what requires the pay rather than the art itself would be very hard to disprove.

In the end since the artist is not claiming the characters as their own and the money being made is not explicitly because of the use of said characters in most places this falls under fair use.

blitzdrachin said:
Oof, I have seen Seferiren's haters just because she profits with her work on Patreon, and she's got worse situations and more complains than I ever had :p, that's such a poor excuse. But here is the hard to swallow pill, ''you cannot please everyone'', I will just still drawing whatever I want. If people likes it, cool, if only a minority don't like, not my problem unless they are copyright owner xD.

Parodies exists, and most of times it's about using existing characters on situations they wouldn't be, i'm not claiming those characters as mine, neither their story but the artwork done for this comic.

But at this point you seem more annoyed because the whole comic is not available for free, not because the copyright holder of the characters. Also because Patreon being used for it, maybe you can blacklist it and you won't be seeing submissions with patreon being mentioned on the pic.

Yeah... unfortunately this is what happened to the Sexy Eevee-lutions comic. Patreon got a C & D from Koname in regards to how well the comic was doing.

There's always a pattern too. If anything gets too popular, thats usually when the companies do something.

Also, forgot to add that the Pokemon mod, Uranium, (I think?) Got a C&D from Koname because it became too popular as well.