I've noticed a trend in a lot of gay comics that females are often the villain. Might just be me though.

Sparks127 said:
I've noticed a trend in a lot of gay comics that females are often the villain. Might just be me though.

What others can you think of?

Sparks127 said:
I've noticed a trend in a lot of gay comics that females are often the villain. Might just be me though.

Makes sense to me. Cersei Lannister wouldnt be nearly the monster she is in Game of Thrones if she was a dude... not trying to be sexist.

sergal239 said:
What others can you think of?

I know it sounds really lame, but I can't think of any right now and I'm not really in the mood to go searching for the ones I'm thinking of. It also doesn't help that the one's I'm thinking of I read who knows how many years ago, and not all of them are porn comics, or comics in general, some were books. Just can't think of specifics right now, brain is mush. Sorry.

Sparks127 said:
I know it sounds really lame, but I can't think of any right now and I'm not really in the mood to go searching for the ones I'm thinking of. It also doesn't help that the one's I'm thinking of I read who knows how many years ago, and not all of them are porn comics, or comics in general, some were books. Just can't think of specifics right now, brain is mush. Sorry.

Cant be anymore of a cliche than the "straight guy" though. I mean I know some people "convert" over time, but some people are just in endless denial, but everyone is "straight". Meesh is really good for this one. The "straight" frat dude with the gay best friend kinda thing.

PsiCat said:
Cant be anymore of a cliche than the "straight guy" though. I mean I know some people "convert" over time, but some people are just in endless denial, but everyone is "straight". Meesh is really good for this one. The "straight" frat dude with the gay best friend kinda thing.

I kinda just skipped over that comic. It didn't interest me. But I do know where you're coming from. For some reason, people seem to be really against the idea of being bisexual. You're either gay, or you're straight, no in between. Except there is. I've even seen some people go as far as to say that if you're bi and go into a relationship, you're sexuality is stuck in that relationships boundaries. Way too much gatekeeping and nitpicking in the lgbt community, just let people be people and get over it.

Sparks127 said:
I kinda just skipped over that comic. It didn't interest me. But I do know where you're coming from. For some reason, people seem to be really against the idea of being bisexual. You're either gay, or you're straight, no in between. Except there is. I've even seen some people go as far as to say that if you're bi and go into a relationship, you're sexuality is stuck in that relationships boundaries. Way too much gatekeeping and nitpicking in the lgbt community, just let people be people and get over it.

Exactly. I dont know why people are so afraid of being bisexual. It got to the point where people will make up anything to maintain thier "straight" status.
"If balls dont touch"
"If you dont kiss"
"If you cant see them"
"If you got a girlfriend" Get over it people! If you have any sexual interest in someone of the same gender that makes you BISEXUAL!
Anyway, rant aside, the "straight frat" thing is cliche by meesh standards, and a few others and so is the "straight" guy concept. Then most of his "straight guys" are overly confident and cocky. It couldn't get any more cliche. Its sometimes rare when I see two characters whom are just gay....and dont look like women.

Sparks127 said:
I've noticed a trend in a lot of gay comics that females are often the villain. Might just be me though.

PsiCat said:
Exactly. I dont know why people are so afraid of being bisexual. It got to the point where people will make up anything to maintain thier "straight" status.
"If balls dont touch"
"If you dont kiss"
"If you cant see them"
"If you got a girlfriend" Get over it people! If you have any sexual interest in someone of the same gender that makes you BISEXUAL!
Anyway, rant aside, the "straight frat" thing is cliche by meesh standards, and a few others and so is the "straight" guy concept. Then most of his "straight guys" are overly confident and cocky. It couldn't get any more cliche. Its sometimes rare when I see two characters whom are just gay....and dont look like women.

You right, homie. It goes both ways. Human sexuality is hella polarized. Can't never be no middle ground. I'm gay as fuck but also recognize the fact of anything in between being stigmatized almost even more than just straight-up homosexuality in most cases it seems

Sparks127 said:
I've noticed a trend in a lot of gay comics that females are often the villain. Might just be me though.

I think it's similar to the reasons why all gay-themed universes have rape as an analogue to violence. It's part of the fantasy to be in a world where the various things trying to kill you are instead lustful after you. Gives a feeling of status and specialness. It is, I suspect, the reason for a lot of 'camp' fantasy, particularly in people from more traditional background. A desire to take on the softer, nicer lifestyle of more effeminate social roles without losing your identity or feeling 'less of a man'.

Of course throwing anyone with normal real world gender attitudes into that sort of ideal-based world accentuates the flaws in those attitudes. No society has ever come close to actual equality between genders, and gay fantasy is often a freudian grab for the advantages afforded to women.

In a gay setting: A patriarchal male becomes a smug, domineering asshole. A feminist male becomes a psycho who doesn't value the lives of people around him. A patriarchal female becomes someone who refuses to care for or accept responsibility for themselves. A female feminist in such a setting is the sort of absolute sociopath who might resort to murder over the 'mild inconvenience' of rape or who might demand preferential treatment while being as smug as any dominant male.

Some of those lend themselves to sympathy. The patriarchal male comes across as self-loathing. He has the opportunity to fit in as just a very domineering member of society, or to be redeemed by falling in love. He can even be redeemed without reforming his worldview by finding a lover who already wanted to fill an effeminate role.

The former female can also fit in. Just has to fit into the aforementioned effeminate role, which is generally a fixture of society. She can essentially be just a normal submissive guy, who happens to have breasts.

Anyway. The reason for female villains, I think, is that when an ill-fitting (read: earth-norm) male finds himself in the setting, there is a degree of give and take. He might dole out unacceptable violence, but he expects the world to return it in kind. He might not value the lives or wellbeing of those around him, but he doesn't expect his own wellbeing to be valued except inasmuch as he can prove himself 'worthy'.

Female villains in these worlds have the unique capacity to think they are -special- on concrete gender grounds. Just by applying the norms of an earth society from anywhere on the patriarch-matriarch spectrum, you end up with a villain whose motivations are immediately and intimately familiar to the audience, but completely alien and antithetical to the underlying values of the setting.

In this case, traditional possessiveness and fidelity in a world of sex. We can immediately fill in her full motivation, while also having it be a bewildering and greedy gesture to the more 'innocent inhabitants of the setting. QED