aldara and xanderg (mythology) created by xanderg (artist)
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Choke collar ๐Ÿ‘€

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  • thatonefoxxo said:
    thats a trace

    Referencing is not the same as tracing. Drawing over the image is tracing. Referencing is when you have one or more images off to the side to understand how something is drawn

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  • Meh its just coulda had a bit different of a camera angle but its not really a blatant trace since you overlay it doesn't exactly match

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  • xanderg said:
    Referencing is not the same as tracing. Drawing over the image is tracing. Referencing is when you have one or more images off to the side to understand how something is drawn

    I don't know why this is downvoted, because that's literally how it is.

    Artists really often need references to know how something should look, just like in math you usually don't know everything and might need to double check stuff with calculator or googling it up. Also similarly to math, you can calculate same thing differendly, but ultimately you will get to same results, doing same pose from same angle can result similar result even if you did it by yourself.

    As such you should look at the linework, not the end results, similarly how you should check process for coming to the answer to math problem rather than the answers to see if someone simply copied someone elses answers. Artists deliberately altering the look from reference is bit silly just to avoid trace accusations.

    That all said, there has been many of these cases where there has been so heavy referencing of single source material that it looked like being traced, even when with closer inspection it wasn't the case and some of these artists have simply deleted those works to avoid further accusations. Comparing this situation it doesn't seem to be traced, but I'll poke some other staff to double check.

    holy_crusader said:
    I'm curious, how does anyone find the image a traced version is based on? It seems nearly impossible to notice that something looks like a 7 month old image

    When you have 747 272 registered users, there's bound to be users who have saw the two images and get the deja vu effect.
    Doing post approvals, you start to naturally just get those feelings of unease, red flags and because of the tagging system here it shouldn't be that major problem to double check on things.

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  • mairo said:
    I don't know why this is downvoted, because that's literally how it is.

    Artists really often need references to know how something should look, just like in math you usually don't know everything and might need to double check stuff with calculator or googling it up. Also similarly to math, you can calculate same thing differendly, but ultimately you will get to same results, doing same pose from same angle can result similar result even if you did it by yourself.

    As such you should look at the linework, not the end results, similarly how you should check process for coming to the answer to math problem rather than the answers to see if someone simply copied someone elses answers. Artists deliberately altering the look from reference is bit silly just to avoid trace accusations.

    That all said, there has been many of these cases where there has been so heavy referencing of single source material that it looked like being traced, even when with closer inspection it wasn't the case and some of these artists have simply deleted those works to avoid further accusations. Comparing this situation it doesn't seem to be traced, but I'll poke some other staff to double check.

    When you have 747 272 registered users, there's bound to be users who have saw the two images and get the deja vu effect.
    Doing post approvals, you start to naturally just get those feelings of unease, red flags and because of the tagging system here it shouldn't be that major problem to double check on things.

    Oh come on, it takes so much from the original post, it's literally taken from it. Someone did the same thing, changed quite a lot, and was still destroyed by everyone and the post got deleted right after.
    It has the same face, the same eye shape, the same pose, the same mouth, the same leg on the right, same set of teeth, same tongue placement.

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  • tsanufox said:
    Oh come on, it takes so much from the original post, it's literally taken from it. Someone did the same thing, changed quite a lot, and was still destroyed by everyone and the post got deleted right after.
    It has the same face, the same eye shape, the same pose, the same mouth, the same leg on the right, same set of teeth, same tongue placement.

    And here's the accusations.
    Like I said, in many instances, these get deleted by the artist because of everyone in comments being whiteknights, not necessarily because something was actually traced.

    So the thing here is that on technical level, we do not have to delete any traces at all, but have simply chosen to do so and how we determine it is based on linework matching. If you reference something, you can draw something to be extremely similar looking with similar shapes, but the lines will not match as nobody can copy something that perfectly, only when it's drawn over everything lines up and it is considered traced.
    On almost any other website, you would need to have original author to file some sort of complain or in some cases DMCA for the website to get traced content of their work removed.

    So, I do not see any lines matching here, as such I will not deleted this as traced work. Copying pose, angle, scenario, even the amount of cum are perfectly fine things to do, these things cannot have copyrights attached to them. If you have problem with this, your choises are to go to original author, in this instance Dacad and make them file takedown for this post or be in contact with head staff about it. Alternatively if you want to contest this with e621 directly, there is contact email at the bottom of every single page and head admin also responds to dmails.

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