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A wonderful night of drunk cuddles :3

This might be one of the lewdest pieces from tom yet(not counting the old leaks)

This is what you see when you open the ark. Raunchy Twokinds.

swiftpaws said:
This might be one of the lewdest pieces from tom yet(not counting the old leaks)

Tom has been pushing the boundaries of what can be called 'questionable' for a while

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Mike is one lucky bastard

Mike finally gets some happiness.

What I want to know is if Kat realized something was... "off." As per the main comic, Mike's apparent gender change is an illusion. His real body is still under it, demonstrated when his real arm (and fist) extended past the illusionary one when he hit Evals.

I can imagine Kat going down on Mike and suddenly getting a surprise invisible dong in the face.

drakkenfyre said:
What I want to know is if Kat realized something was... "off." As per the main comic, Mike's apparent gender change is an illusion. His real body is still under it, demonstrated when his real arm (and fist) extended past the illusionary one when he hit Evals.

I don't think it worked like that. The illusion was solid enough that Mike's pants were able to fall off because of his changed hips. Plus his real body is bigger so his hands, legs and eyes wouldn't be where the illusion says, which would have made it nigh impossible for him to walk around and hold items without falling on his face.

Anyways, VV Mike was turned by Tom's magic pen, not a dragon illusion.

Does this mean Kat is no longer a virgin?

salemcripple said:
Does this mean Kat is no longer a virgin?

It depends, did they use that bottle of RUM for something other than to drink it?, there is the answer.

thefoxwolf1 said:
Tom has been pushing the boundaries of what can be called 'questionable' for a while

post #1837724

And even back in the day there was things like these.

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post #183138

Whelp, now i need Natani Keith version of this picture

Mike's got that "I should've thought of this sooner" look. And who would blame him, err her.

lycaon0008 said:
It depends, did they use that bottle of RUM for something other than to drink it?, there is the answer.

a person could argue that one wouldn't need to be penetrated to loose said virginity.

salemcripple said:
a person could argue that one wouldn't need to be penetrated to loose said virginity.

Losing one's virginity means engaging in sex, and that classically means being penetrated/penetrating by/with a penis. And of course it's closely associated with the hymen in women.

There seems to be a modern misconception that you lose your virginity by having an orgasm, which is simply untrue. If it were, almost no one would be a virgin at puberty.

iago1 said:
I don't think it worked like that. The illusion was solid enough that Mike's pants were able to fall off because of his changed hips. Plus his real body is bigger so his hands, legs and eyes wouldn't be where the illusion says, which would have made it nigh impossible for him to walk around and hold items without falling on his face.

Anyways, VV Mike was turned by Tom's magic pen, not a dragon illusion.

It did work like that. Mike himself noticed it when he punches Evals. They both do, IIRC. There's a comment from them how his reach extended past his female arm *as if his arm is still its original length*, and how his strength is still that of a male. And Nora herself even says it's just an illusion. The rest is just handwaved as part of the gag.

You can check out that page to confirm. As for VV Mike, yeah it's from the magic pen, so I'll concede that. But main comic Mike TF is canonically an illusion.

drakkenfyre said:
Losing one's virginity means engaging in sex, and that classically means being penetrated/penetrating by/with a penis. And of course it's closely associated with the hymen in women.

Sex and penetration are not the same thing. Also, fingers do exist. Also, also, its easy to lose hymen without engaging in anything remotely sexual, and possible to keep it while being extremely sexually active. A hymen is a piss-poor indicator of virginity.

drakkenfyre said:
You can check out that page to confirm. As for VV Mike, yeah it's from the magic pen, so I'll concede that. But main comic Mike TF is canonically an illusion.

If that's the case, we can chalk it up to inconsistent writing, since there's no way any of this could occur in the same scenario.

Oh, (fem) Mike, you lucky lesbian. );

iago1 said:
Sex and penetration are not the same thing. Also, fingers do exist. Also, also, its easy to lose hymen without engaging in anything remotely sexual, and possible to keep it while being extremely sexually active. A hymen is a piss-poor indicator of virginity.

Fun fact, the traditional "completely covering membrane" hymen is actually very rare. Most of the time it's crescent or donut shaped or might not even exist at all

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Hymen_en.svg/2480px-Hymen_en.svg.png

drakkenfyre said:
Losing one's virginity means engaging in sex, and that classically means being penetrated/penetrating by/with a penis. And of course it's closely associated with the hymen in women.

There seems to be a modern misconception that you lose your virginity by having an orgasm, which is simply untrue. If it were, almost no one would be a virgin at puberty.

In the traditional sense yes, but we've come a long way since then. There's a lot more to sex than just straight up fucking, I would say if your orgasm involved another person, it counts. Penetration or not.

Damn but Mike's face makes me smile.

iago1 said:
Sex and penetration are not the same thing. Also, fingers do exist. Also, also, its easy to lose hymen without engaging in anything remotely sexual, and possible to keep it while being extremely sexually active. A hymen is a piss-poor indicator of virginity.

I'm very well aware of all that. And I never said a hymen was an absolute indicator of virginity. I said it's closely *associated* with it.

If that's the case, we can chalk it up to inconsistent writing, since there's no way any of this could occur in the same scenario.

You do understand that things get intentionally ignored or handwaved all the time in fictional stories, right? For an example, look up "Rule of Cool." It's an entire trope to itself.

salemcripple said:
In the traditional sense yes, but we've come a long way since then. There's a lot more to sex than just straight up fucking, I would say if your orgasm involved another person, it counts. Penetration or not.

Yeah, no. The definition of virginity is tied to sex. Someone rubs you off through your pants, you did *not* lose your virginity there. That's completely missing the definition of the word.

drakkenfyre said:
You do understand that things get intentionally ignored or handwaved all the time in fictional stories, right? For an example, look up "Rule of Cool." It's an entire trope to itself.

Or we can take the simpler route and say that the illusion covered the sense of touch as well as sight.

drakkenfyre said:
Yeah, no. The definition of virginity is tied to sex. Someone rubs you off through your pants, you did *not* lose your virginity there. That's completely missing the definition of the word.

But what is sex, exactly? I'm pretty sure that blowjobs and cunnilingus count as sex, even though there's no traditional penetration involved. Virginity just doesn't really have a clear cut definition, since neither does sex.

iago1 said:
Or we can take the simpler route and say that the illusion covered the sense of touch as well as sight.

Except we clearly see it doesn't. There's literally an *entire page* explicitly showcasing how it's an optical illusion.

https://cdn.twokinds.keenspot.com/comics/20071109.jpg

I don't know if you've got some hangup about things *absolutely* needing to gel together, but it's not going to work here. It was a gag that turned into a long-running one. The rest of it got handwaved.

But what is sex, exactly? I'm pretty sure that blowjobs and cunnilingus count as sex, even though there's no traditional penetration involved. Virginity just doesn't really have a clear cut definition, since neither does sex.

They're *oral* sex. They have a descriptor for a reason. If you got a BJ would you later say you and (person) had sex? No, you'd say you got a BJ or oral sex. See my point?

Virginity has a very clear-cut definition. Merriam-Webster's first entry is "A person who has not engaged in sexual intercourse." I'll let you look up the definition of intercourse.

And that's my point.

drakkenfyre said:
Except we clearly see it doesn't. There's literally an *entire page* explicitly showcasing how it's an optical illusion.

https://cdn.twokinds.keenspot.com/comics/20071109.jpg

No, that doesn't invalidate the physical sensation aspect of it, or Mike wouldn't be able to touch his breasts, etc. That page does nothing to say that there is no illusion of sensation to go with the illusion of appearance - just that Mike has more strength and longer reach than it looks.

drakkenfyre said:
They're *oral* sex. They have a descriptor for a reason.

Yes...which contains the word "sex" for a reason. Most people would agree that lesbian sex *is* sex and that lesbians and gay men who don't practice penetration are not virgins if they've engaged in sexual activity with other people.