Wicked >;)

Greer’s Shirt said:
America First

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This sure as hell didn't start a shitstorm on Twitter

The first step to making a quirky OC is having them wear political merchandise

There's no way this method can backfire

I had a total aneurysm reading the comments from the source links

I find this offensive. Yes, because of the Heineken.

aviansin19 said:
Seems they're not all that fond of antisemitic slogans. Huh.

You think it's antisemitic not to partake in pointless wars that make everything worse for everyone else? lol

Whatever you do, do not google the Clean Break report. You might learn the dangerous fact that our current wars were planned by 90s think tank from a foreign country.

This blew up on Twitter lol, had to come here to see what everyone was so mad about

He even deleted the Patreon only melons version wonder if it still counts as payed material.

aviansin19 said:
It's a stretch, but I'm hoping that since Miles DF is Russian (As far as I know, I may be wrong) he just heard the phrase "America first" thinking it was just a harmless phrase Americans use to express patriotism, or even less likely (Due to the design of the shirt) is he just made it up. I'm hoping for this just being a misunderstanding, because it's hard to separate art from artist, especially when they include their questionable views IN said art.

The drawing itself is very nice as always, however.

Imagine thinking patriotism is a bad thing. Do you think Israel shouldn't be for Israelis first? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Americans and Euros are the only people in the world who aren't allowed to be patriotic. Nothing wrong with criticizing jengoists, but "America first" is not that.

elewd said:
Wonder how long before this gets deleted too, surprrised it's still up honestly

The only thing that will get this deleted is a takedown by miles df. *Or a higher quality version.

binagon said:
The first step to making a quirky OC is having them wear political merchandise

There's no way this method can backfire

From what I can find the artist isn’t American and was just trying to find the most American thing they could think of to put on a character.

scrolls said:
From what I can find the artist isn’t American and was just trying to find the most American thing they could think of to put on a character.

They should have made it an American flag shirt, and the guitar should have been a burger.

Woooooo, Merica yes!

Based!

Wow. Everyone went crazy over this one. It's most likely just a political slogan that the artist thought would portray the fictional character well. I don't think he meant anything by it.
Please chill.

realius said:
Imagine thinking patriotism is a bad thing. Do you think Israel shouldn't be for Israelis first? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Americans and Euros are the only people in the world who aren't allowed to be patriotic. Nothing wrong with criticizing jengoists, but "America first" is not that.

What are you talking about? Being patriotic is absolutely fine but being antisemitic, I'd argue, is not.

chalidoe said:
LoL, Newyork is literally persecuting the Jewish community right now and forcing them to shut down all worship and you claim its the right thats anti semetic. Okay boomer

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic... and I have no idea what you're referring to about New York and the Jewish community.

scrolls said:
From what I can find the artist isn’t American and was just trying to find the most American thing they could think of to put on a character.

Yeah that's what I'm guessing

aviansin19 said:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic... and I have no idea what you're referring to about New York and the Jewish community.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/doj-sues-new-york-village-for-discriminating-against-orthodox-jewish-community.html

aviansin19 said:
What are you talking about? Being patriotic is absolutely fine but being antisemitic, I'd argue, is not.

"America first" is not antisemitic, regardless if it was used by antisemites. (Bad person claims medicine is good -> "medicine is good" is bad) does not follow. When most people hear this phrase they take it at face value. They're not going to become bad like the person who first said it by osmosis. And it's such a basic concept that anyone could conceive of the literal phrase "America first." To cloister off a phrase as facially innocuous and archetypal as this is absurd.

pr0t0 said:
bruh the phrase has a near exclusive history of use by american fascists, and was a rallying phrase used by american fascists against joining WW2 to fight the Nazis. There are Dr. Suess political cartoons about this. Tn the modern era , its mainly associated with holocaust denier and Trump simp Nick Fuentes.

Dr Seuss also made anti-asian cartoons, so I wouldn't consider him to be a verifiable source on discrimination.

America First refers to a foreign policy stance in the United States that generally emphasizes isolationism. It first gained prominence in the interwar period (1918–1939) and was advocated by the America First Committee, a non-interventionist pressure group against the U.S. entry into World War II.

Sorry if i sound like an idiot but how is this controversial?

Nice choice of beer

'Murica

Freedom Country Bad

>America First
You're goddamn right.

Imagine getting heated over a shirt.

sharck said:
I assume they're more referencing its current-day use, which involves a large amount of implied xenophobia by discriminatory groups.

Is it? Hard to tell nowadays.
Media can put a spin on anything it doesn’t like.
Personally I don’t see the issue in wanting to put the country you live in first.

bobtheskull said:
Is it? Hard to tell nowadays.
Media can put a spin on anything it doesn’t like.
Personally I don’t see the issue in wanting to put the country you live in first.

This particular phrase is heavily used by a far-right minority and is meant in an extremely jingoistic way. Patriotism is fine, but Jingoism is problematic for a functioning modern society.

aviansin19 said:
It's a stretch, but I'm hoping that since Miles DF is Russian (As far as I know, I may be wrong) he just heard the phrase "America first" thinking it was just a harmless phrase Americans use to express patriotism, or even less likely (Due to the design of the shirt) is he just made it up. I'm hoping for this just being a misunderstanding, because it's hard to separate art from artist, especially when they include their questionable views IN said art.

The drawing itself is very nice as always, however.

MDF is German

This controversy is very interesting to me from a storytelling perspective. The artist says here

The punk wolf girl lives in a trailer with her crazy father who makes her do bad stuff. Someday she saves a rabbit girl and they become friends and fall in love. And this changes her for the better.

This implies that her offensive “punk” persona is a way of dealing with her anger and trauma, allowing her to seem powerful while keeping others at a safe emotional distance. Having her subsequently “change for the better” by developing feelings for someone of the same sex implies she would discard this persona, learn how to open up to others and deal with her issues in a healthier manner. I feel that the section of the audience that excoriated the artist for this picture would have enjoyed this plot, as it portrays whatever political opinions conveyed by her shirt as coming from a place of hurt and self-isolation, rather than genuinely held. In a way, the story’s message could be interpreted as supporting the audience’s political views by implying that such political factions would not exist if everyone could heal their emotional issues (which is not necessarily true).

Where I believe the artist made a mistake was having this particular image be her character-establishing moment. We only see her shirt, not the motivation behind it. An improvement would have been to first show Greer’s father doing the vaguely mentioned “bad stuff” to her so that audience sympathy is built. Then, show how she lashes out at others using her controversial persona. This would complicate her character and leave the audience in suspense as to whether she can rise above her situation or will sink into her negative feelings.

However, if this was the artist’s intention, I don’t quite understand the follow-up image which accuses the audience of censoring the artist’s free speech. The artist and his critics are technically in agreement. Social media is structured in a way to promote quick, emotional reactions over more thought-out responses, so perhaps this was simply an example of both artist and his critics getting angry and accusatory before anyone had the chance to explain themselves? Perhaps it’s in character for Greer, to show her being abused?

realius said:
Imagine thinking patriotism is a bad thing...Americans and Euros are the only people in the world who aren't allowed to be patriotic.

I am pretty sure that Canadians are allowed to feel patriotism, yet most just cannot as Canada is just so ... meh.

_{Bleh, even.}

This is great art, I wish people would leave Miles df alone and let them express their creative freedom..
Oh yes "freedom" as long as their opinion matches the populace...god sometimes the way mob mentality works just...I'm just waiting for a meteor to wipe us out.
In a world where we can't even show patriotism.

Whatever, it was twitter, it's just tumblr 2.0
I unsubbed from a person I watched for a long time cause they were throwing shade at Miles df

verin said:
[All that]

Honestly it could have been even simpler than an image of the father first. When this was posted Twitter showed an... extraordinary amount of restraint. They didn't immediately label Miles as bad, they just asked for context or an explanation or anything. What did they respond with? Basically just saying, "I don't need to explain myself." to paraphrase because I don't remember the exact wording. That DID NOT HELP. A simple, "This is for a planned character arc I have in mind and I DO NOT share or endorse those views" would have solved the issue. But no, they threw up a wall and then made a piece about censorship afterwards. Like, it sucks for them, but it's kind of their fault for not expressing they didn't share the views when posting something like that at such a turbulent time for a lot of people.

closetpossum said:
Oh yes "freedom" as long as their opinion matches the populace...god sometimes the way mob mentality works just...I'm just waiting for a meteor to wipe us out.
In a world where we can't even show patriotism.

That's how it be these days. According to the lunatics, patriotism = nazism. Because reasons. It's goddamn pathetic, but this tends to happen when you give the stupid the right to speak.

falloutdergon said:
That's how it be these days. According to the lunatics, patriotism = nazism. Because reasons. It's goddamn pathetic, but this tends to happen when you give the stupid the right to speak.

I’m surprised this mod here who has the booby trash can is pretty chill.

verin said:
This controversy is very interesting to me from a storytelling perspective. The artist says here

This implies that her offensive “punk” persona is a way of dealing with her anger and trauma, allowing her to seem powerful while keeping others at a safe emotional distance. Having her subsequently “change for the better” by developing feelings for someone of the same sex implies she would discard this persona, learn how to open up to others and deal with her issues in a healthier manner. I feel that the section of the audience that excoriated the artist for this picture would have enjoyed this plot, as it portrays whatever political opinions conveyed by her shirt as coming from a place of hurt and self-isolation, rather than genuinely held. In a way, the story’s message could be interpreted as supporting the audience’s political views by implying that such political factions would not exist if everyone could heal their emotional issues (which is not necessarily true).

Where I believe the artist made a mistake was having this particular image be her character-establishing moment. We only see her shirt, not the motivation behind it. An improvement would have been to first show Greer’s father doing the vaguely mentioned “bad stuff” to her so that audience sympathy is built. Then, show how she lashes out at others using her controversial persona. This would complicate her character and leave the audience in suspense as to whether she can rise above her situation or will sink into her negative feelings.

However, if this was the artist’s intention, I don’t quite understand the follow-up image which accuses the audience of censoring the artist’s free speech. The artist and his critics are technically in agreement. Social media is structured in a way to promote quick, emotional reactions over more thought-out responses, so perhaps this was simply an example of both artist and his critics getting angry and accusatory before anyone had the chance to explain themselves? Perhaps it’s in character for Greer, to show her being abused?

I’m too long-winded.

If I were Miles, I drop this character completely after fucking up with no context, along with the back peddling, and a odd follow up art that looks plain SILLY especially the money I made from suspiciously rich furries. I dunno, that’s how I would do in this situation. Sorry for double posting.

(And drop that stupid $1000 price commissions)

nutflix_chill said:
This sure as hell didn't start a shitstorm on Twitter

It's twitter, all the snowflakes reside in there, not a surprise a shitstorm was created in there to be honest. I myself believe in equality above all when it comes to races, genders and what not... But crying over this is pathetic, I show no respect to people who suppress stuff that is incapable of harming them...

Tell me, how can this one image harm ANYONE... (I mean serious harm, not "Ow my eyes and pride are crushed cause mimimi)

Based and fucking redpilled

anonymous12301994 said:
This particular phrase is heavily used by a far-right minority and is meant in an extremely jingoistic way. Patriotism is fine, but Jingoism is problematic for a functioning modern society.

Jingoism is what created fascism in the first place. If there were no WWI, then there would be no Hitler. Isolationism ia a great virtue.

There are people who love America.

Some of them good, some bad, some dumb, smart, rich, poor, right, left,straightgaytalloldshortyoungETC...

Why? Just because the bad, the bigoted, & the ugly like where they're born. Why can't the majority of people who love america (& aren't bigotted) express their love? Bad people love their home. Good people love their home. Pay attention to behavior, not words. Without preconceived notions, this will help determine who is truly a bigot.

vickmcbread said:
There are people who love America.

Some of them good, some bad, some dumb, smart, rich, poor, right, left,straightgaytalloldshortyoungETC...

Why? Just because the bad, the bigoted, & the ugly like where they're born. Why can't the majority of people who love america (& aren't bigotted) express their love? Bad people love their home. Good people love their home. Pay attention to behavior, not words. Without preconceived notions, this will help determine who is truly a bigot.

Because communist subversion has convinced people that they're being oppressed due to their inadequacy and uselessness, and the culpret for their horrible life choices are straight white males.

seeking said:
Because communist subversion has convinced people that they're being oppressed due to their inadequacy and uselessness, and the culpret for their horrible life choices are straight white males.

*mic drop* I agree. The amount of salt that flows from this artist charging money for commissions and or being successful is hilarious and petty. I do get the image, being proud to be an 'merican is totally punk rock cause its counter culture (the literal definition of punk). I'll leave out the left vs right stuff, but him getting backlash for even daring to have any kind of patriotic imagery is scary. Any type of nationalism shouldn't be "yer a nazi *schreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*" and maybe that is why he had a hard time on twatter. Ya'll need to calm yo metaphorical ta tas. I'm an old fur, and grew up with some bad racism and homophobia - it still happens - but these days is so much better and you all act like everyone is a literal nazi. I just don't get it. Now everyone is at each other's throats over jokes, art, and things they said 12 years ago. Its sad -___-

I'm left and I don't feel attacked or offended by this, really nice work of art.
Twitter/Reddit user opinions should be just thrown in their rightful place, the trash incinerator

I hate twitter

fioryfox said:
He even deleted the Patreon only melons version wonder if it still counts as payed material.

give

I'm just here for the paws and whenever possible beans.
Not lookin' to get into a political debate.

I don't get the issue the shirt just says "America First" in which if your an American you should want that

Elewd said:
Wonder how long before this gets deleted too, surprrised it's still up honestly

considering some of the other much worse stuff on here, it won't be.

aiden_a_fox said:
I don't get the issue the shirt just says "America First" in which if your an American you should want that

Thats an excuse to ignore genocide. Its the same reason why some americans protested joining ww2 because "Hilter didnt do anything to me!". Or excuses to ignore natural disasters "Why send money to help people dying, i want my tax break" etc

ghost524 said:
post #2217873 post #2217878

Patriotism, I'd say the same about Russia.

cute art ngl 👌

nooo you're gonna rust the strings :(