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Rajaja
MemberSomeone seems Abit upset.
Edit: got a weird amount of likes for a very basic comment. But none the less thanks....i guess ^¬^.
But even tho its been months since this pic i would like to put it out there that I actually don't agree even tho I understand the frustration. I find that posting anything on the internet in a way surrenders it to the public. Cause there will always be one person who wont listen and in a way your basically letting them. It would be lovely if there was a site that allowed viewing of images but no downloading, I myself edit art as a hobby but I never act like its mine. Hell I don't even show anyone any of them besides close friends who are curious on how to edit. I just think its ok for people to use it in a respectable way, as in not claiming or promoting such art as there own. Even tho most times this is caused by jealousy or even an extreme desire to gain the attention of a talented artist like yourself. Its still bad to steal art for sure but in a way its almost the greatest compliment someone can give, they literally wana be your creation.
Ok that was allot of rambling I apologize, and if someone disagrees that's ok. I don't want this to start an argument or anything else, it was a simple yet very long expression of opinion.
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Bongani
MemberThe people who this is targeting would just Photoshop or GIMP out the text.
Cantspehl
MemberI think that's like 1/4 of the joke.
Trenchling
MemberDoes using this art as a pfp count as stealing?
I don't know much about rp'ing, so I don't know how rp'ers steal art.
Cantspehl
MemberI don't have a great understanding either, but it is mostly when they impersonate a character, or use them for reference I think.
bonavist
Memberhttps://youtu.be/GVNZtlI-kqU
Simply-cereal
MemberIdk man I'm just trying to beat it to oversized dicks and the occasional deer butt
Vlentin
MemberNot sure what the artist hopes to accomplish with this. People doing this won't particularly care, and those who do care will just nod and continue on with their lives.
Ghost524
MemberI betcha watermarking over their work might help, but I could understand how some people might feel it messes with the art.
Whuzzy
MemberI mean I would too. Someone using my works in a way that I explicitly said otherwise. Equivalent to people making third party alts w/o consent. And it’s not like their relatively large followings is building an infatuation for the person behind the pfp themselves; usually it’s for the character itself and they won’t be able to find the artist.
Somerandomvoir
MemberWhat makes this hilarious is the f-list ad right above this.
There's a LOT to unpack here and really, as much as I'd love to discuss about it all, it will most likely devolve into pointless arguments and wrong definitions, like the phrase 'art theft'. I'm surprised there's no real rebuttal comment yet though.
Joonie
MemberNice.
BeardedVulture
MemberI... don't even know where to begin with this. First of all, is the artist really scrutinizing people for using porn for a quick nut?
I understand why some people don't want their art being used for RP stuff, or if people are afraid of their characters being misinterpreted, but this image says NOTHING about why stuff like that is an issue. 80% of it is just saying stuff like "You know it's bad. You know this is unethical(?!?) etc etc" uhh... No, I don't. Actually you were supposed to explain that.
Maybe I'm just being cynical because of how condescendingly this was written, but I wouldn't care at all if someone used my art for RP. If someone liked my art enough that they'd use it to jerk off I'd feel accomplished because that's kind of the point of drawing porn. And if they link the source, they're directing horny people right to the rest of my art, which I'd definitely appreciate
ScruffyTheDeer
Memberbitch i don't care if people splooge to my art im just tired of people using it for their noncon vore TF roleplay
1ceBerg
MemberI feel ya 100%, first time I was told that someone was using my art for rp purposes without paying credit felt bad. At the time I was a small time artist and I had no idea what to do other than leave it. I will spread your words as much as I can (full artist credit included).
user 711637
MemberI dont understand people's word based fetishes anymore.
BootyLoversAnonymous
MemberHonestly, not really sure what he hoped to accomplish here other than getting something off his chest. He has to know that the ones that this is designed for aren't really gonna listen to it.
ScruffyTheDeer
Memberactually, im a lady! and yeah i was just concentrating my salt into a single image and getting it over with <3
SanguinisSaxx
Blockedi understand the sentiment, but at this point RPers refuse to listen to any of this, best we can do is leave a watermark that cant be easily removed and hope for the best
user 292425
MemberTime for another downvote but still favorite the image
BigBoyVev
BlockedI get the idea of this image, but then I remember the vast majority of ERPers are 16-19 year olds who do it because they have no money or a vehicle to go on dates and get actual ass. Which would definitely discount the "just pay for the art bro" sentiment, most people who have the money for their own art will just pay for it. I just remember that I never had more than 10$ to spend from 13-17 years old, and definitely couldn't have gotten custom art if I had been into ERP.
OnTheHekkinBrink
MemberI don't even relate to any part of this, and I still feel called out.
Korrax
MemberBut you'd be fine with it if someone paid you a few dollars so they could use it for rp purposes?
I'll give you my 2 cents though. At this point since you've made it clear that you don't want people to rp with your characters without permission, I feel that it would now be kinda mean of them to do it now. However, there is no harm in someone sourcing art for the sole purpose of an rp. If anything, someone might say "wow that is hot" and ends up looking up your art and you basically just got free advertising. Besides that though you literally can't do anything to stop them as long as they aren't claiming the art as their own. It's not unethical to use someones art for an rp purpose until you let everyone know you don't want that. Ideally you should probably post this on all major platforms that you're on and people who care will stop using your art, at least, publically.
Aimware
BlockedThis is annoyingly self-righteous. Who cares what people use your characters for unless they're straight up saying they made your art and people are buying it (either literally or figuratively). If you're going to be putting art online the first thing you should expect is for people to use it for whatever they want. If I were an artist, this wall of text would be infinitely more obnoxious than someone using my sexual character art to portray a sexual character. Someone could use your character in a story to blow up an orphanage, then a total of 3 people who see the fanfic care enough to find the source, realize 0 art from you portrays this and nothing you've ever said has reflected this, and they forget about it. This is the kind of thing you should quickly realize is unavoidable, but has no real impact on you, so you start ignoring it.
beastballs69
MemberNintendo and their artists don't want their Pokemon drawn with fat cocks cumming in other Pokemon, yet here we all are. I understand how it could be frustrating for you to see your characters used in ways you don't want them to be, but you have to realize a lot of furry artists are doing the same thing by drawing porn of characters that aren't theirs against the owner/original creator's wishes. The creators of these characters didn't intend for them to be lewded, and probably feel the same way you do about RPers when they see a pair of titties dangling off their creation.
Despite all that it seems no one has a problem with making more and getting off to it. You draw large musky cocks very well, keep doing your thing and try not to let them get under your skin too much! <3
Bongani
MemberNintendo and their artists don't want any fan-works, full stop.
Waskom Frost
MemberI'd say nah, I normally just find pics that look nice and need some attention drawn to them. Any comment I make I consider it a win if people click that link and maybe, just maybe, go to the original image and see the other stuff by the artist. Same sorta reason I make a lot of pfps with bases artists post for free, it's a great way to be able to say "Hey, nah, didn't draw it myself, it was free from *insert artist name here* as a base, go check them out!" only in this case it's basically a crosspost in an E621 comment.
beastballs69
MemberI don't think there is a difference. A human with feelings put a lot of time and effort into making these characters. A soulless entity didn't spawn Pokemon designs out of thin air. You can't just completely dismiss these artists or their feelings because they work for a large company.
You have no idea how much Charizard means to the artist who created the character. It's not fair to assume they care less about their character than some other furry artists just because they're backed by a huge company and don't have a twitter account to complain on or a thousand dollar Charizard suit in their closet.
I don't think they intended their Charizard to be hyper cock brute raping eeveelutions into onaholes, and again they probably feel the same way smaller artists do when they see their characters being misrepresented.
DirtyRatMatt
MemberAm I really the only one who just likes the deer balls and his donut in the pic?
user 404793
BlockedNah, I was having a conversation with someone who builds custom made fuck machines or whatever the other day and they basicly admitted to them and the only other maker in their area intentionally overpricing them because "people will pay" and they got completely floored when I compared them to apple. It's like that south park episode where the small coffee brewer is out assholing the star bucks stand in, people forget the little guy doesn't mean the better guy. I'm a hardcore enviormentalist who hates cooperations so it's not like I'm sucking up to them but I know the people who come up with these characters are often a real flesh and blood human just like op who is passionate about them so drawing porn of charizard or whatever and then acting self rightous if someone "misinterprets" your characters is just being a hypocrite.
Data
MemberCan we actually consider Ken Sugimori a furry artist?
ScruffyTheDeer
Memberhonestly that's fair :/
but if im being honest it just makes me feel guilty for drawing pokeporn now, because it doesn't change how i feel about people misrepresenting my own work. i can't just stop feeling like that, i'm afraid. i'd like to avoid having my stuff get out of my control. it's not like i want to restrict people's access to it, I just want people to hear it from the horse's mouth, i guess.
Waskom Frost
MemberI'd say don't feel bad about the pokeporn, since Ninetendo is a crap company as far as their way of operations go, and they can't legally claim an artists work, no matter WHAT they want to do, same as disney, they can't stop third party artworks without ending up having to pay out the ass for an artist to stop drawing their characters.
DiosdeTocinos
MemberThere's no need to be so upset.
JollyCooperation
MemberI still think it's odd you care so much about what random strangers on the internet attribute to your art. They don't claim it as their own or say it's bad, just inject their fantasy into it, noone is gonna see a normal pic of a dog used by a non-con RPer and go "oh, that artist does rape stuff!". If you wanna go technical, I'd say what you do with pokémon is worse, since you take an original design and twist it into a smutty version, so someone who doesn't know what pokémon is could see your art and get the impression it's about porn (I know that's an unlikely case, just using it for comparison's sake). Doesn't matter who it happens to, 'theft' is still 'theft', if you wanna call it that, so you ain't gonna be able to justify your actions and demonise others for the same thing.
Seriously, just stop thinking about this whole mess, you're not gonna be able to change the internet, so all it does is make you upset, and I'm pretty sure everyone would be happier if you weren't.
Bittersweet1
Memberso can I eat your ass now?
user 477617
Memberthere's nothing self righteous about not wanting your character to be used for something you dont want to, let alone nazi shit
Dudewheresmytank
Memberi mean, i used some of shmallow's art of montiga for a character reference point for what my character looked like, but that was only until i could scratch together enough money to afford a ref sheet of my own, and the only parts i "kept" from the borrowed ref was the hemepenis and the fact that it was a reptile. and everyone i rp'ed with was always notified that no, i was not that character, it was just a temporary reference until i could get my own.
so i can see why people would use an artist's art for their own purposes, but i also think that artists shouldn't always knee jerk to "he's stealing my art and impersonating my character, oh my god this guy/girl/person/alien/sentient flower is the worst!" sure, some people do do that and it is reprehensible, but the artist should at least inquire first as to what their purposes are for using said art and maybe understand that not all furries have a bunch of disposable income to afford art of their character.
as for the "incapable of asking the artist for permission" bit, if every tom, dick, and harry dm'ed you asking for permission to use character art to represent what their character looked like until they got enough money to get their own ref, your different contact points would be blowing up and you'd never get anything done. hell, if i had asked shmallow and montiga to borrow their character, i'd never have gotten the time of day, because who the hell is gonna answer the dm of some random schmuck asking to borrow their character? the best anyone would ever get would be a resounding "no" and possibly even a "fuck off" and getting blocked.
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Darrelmeadows
MemberI'll go one step further and say that if this person got the norms that they're asking for, the internet and fan communities would simply be worse places to be where no one does anything derivative for fear of stepping on another person's toes, or everyone is inundated with requests for permission over and over.
The internet is better off because people straight up make their art first and apologize for it later if they have to. And almost every artist people admire, especially on here, has done shit without asking for permission or even caring.
You don't get to control how the stuff you published is used and the internet is a better place for it. And whether you know it or not, you agree with that. Because you probably love something that was made based on someone else's work where the original author had no say in it and probably hates it. But you would be really sad if that up and disappeared.
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LeoHKepler
MemberEveryone else is trying to unpack the drama... the three of us are just trying to unpack that loaded deer booty... X3
user 404793
BlockedI wish I saw this sooner cuz I really feel bad about this now, cuz i feel like i'm forcing you to either accept something you're uncomfortable with or not draw pokemonn, and that wasn't my intention at all. I'm sorry and as the authority of my own words you don't have to make that choice at all. im sorry because it seems like i made you feel really bad idk and i take it back.
Your characters are also probably "you" to a much higher/more intimate degree than say, doomguy is for his creators. He isn't meant to be a stand-in for them so it probably geniunly is more personal and I made a bad take. Maybe a better "big guy" analogy would be say porn of celebs without their consent?
Maybe add some copypaste disclaimer that you don't want your art used for rp-ing? idk I don't wannna place the burden on you.
Sorry, seriously.
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StallionRimmer
MemberRemember when fanfiction became a thing and authors were crying about people "misrepresenting" their works?
SaintRangerDanger
MemberI was kind of with you up until this point. I did not really understand why it was such a big deal to you, but was feeling for you. I can pretty safely say that if that is how you act to people who disagree with you, or ask you things normally, then I rather not know.
PizzaDeliveryBoy
MemberOkay, but like- deerbutt.
Sableye of Hoenn
Memberhoes mad (x24)
In all seriousness, legit, what the hell lmao. Do you seriosuly, unironically demand that every horny 15 year old that uses your art as an f-list profile pay you repirations or some shit? Or like, pay a fee or something? I mean hell, its literally free porn on the internet. Why the hell some should horny discord user pay you or go out of their way to credit you, just because they used your porn as a refrence pic or a representation of their rp character. Legit, grow up.
I know what it feels like to see people use your art without crediting and shit, but deal with it. Its something that happens, and when someone bases a roleplay after your porn, are you really going to be like "yea, but, what about me? I dont consent!" Like, legit, get over it king. Im pretty sure every creator of content that has been around long enough has had their shit snatched for some reason or another, and reposted/reused/repurposed/etc etc.
unironically yes. Legit, what the hell are you gonna do? be lucky your being credited. Ngl, your acting like a total child. Though, your probably some 16 year old kid anyway, so who cares. Go cry somewhere else that random strangers on the internet arnt paying you for your smut. Also, real smooth of you to delete a comment of you acting like an asshole. Im sure no-one noticed. Fucking grow up, you pathetic baby. We have all had art stolen and repurposed before, grow up.
user 213535
MemberYep
Asteyr
MemberFrom a watersports/omorashi fan, you're going to have to accept people are going to use em in "nefarious" ways.
Whuzzy
MemberYou and the people above you are pretty despicable ngl lol. She might be going a bit extreme or whatever but like you just want them to do nothing? Yeah okay dude there’s your watermark. But that’s all you should do or else you’re being obnoxious? Not make a statement? Not tell them off? Not tell them you explicitly don’t like their shit? Not make that extra effort? All of you, “IF I WERE an artist this or that” that’s the thing NONE OF YOU ARE ARTISTS. So what makes you think you have authority over what this owner should feel like doing when it comes to confrolling THEIR own characters? Stay silent? Really? What is this thinking lmao. “Oh but it’s pointless” yeah but so is not doing Jack shit about any problem in any given scenario you have in the real world. Really disappointed this many people think like this In this community when you’d think they’d be more understanding than a Twitter user.
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blupengu2
MemberHonestly, it is complicated. Scruffy here is completely justified in feeling weirded out and upset that randos on the internet may use his or other people's art for rp or something else entirely.
That being said, yeah... It's not so black and white sadly. I have many rps from when I was younger, that were so memorable to me, but they often involved a piece of art that wasn't mine cause I couldn't afford a commission, nor did I want my parents asking "Why did you sent someone on the internet money? And what was it for?"
I tried to mitigate it somewhat, only using art of a character that an artist might have just doodled and always specifying who's art it was, but at the end of the day, it's like... Either you're damned if you borrow art or damned if you don't cause said art can really help people be interested in your character. So... What do we do in this case? Especially when there are many others who don't really care what Artist's character they use?
Anarchy5partan
MemberExcuse me, this is a porn site. Artist can do whatever they want, but this is totally just screaming to the wind.
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SolarNight
BlockedOk then! How much is it to get a commission for a full body flat color or my oc from you Mr. artist. Because frankly, your equine *ahem* "tools" are very detailed.
Jadrin Elwyn
MemberI'm sorry, but I really don't understand what the issue is here. So what if somebody uses a picture they don't own for RP? What someone does privately or amongst friends, as long as nobody is harmed, is their business. And as far as I'm aware, RPing doesn't cause any harm. If it makes you uncomfortable, just don't think about it.
Think of it this way; Your parents probably have sex, maybe even some fetish play. For most people, thinking about their parents having sex would make them uncomfortable. Does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to have sex? No. It's their business, and it's not harming anyone, so just don't think about it.
Whuzzy
MemberJadran you gotta like check yourself really quick if your over here comparing a simple ask for respect to not be cringe out of respect to the DIRECT wishes of the artist; compared to your parents having sex; so much so that this is that much of a horrible immature comparison i question your age to even be on this site lmao.
Jadrin Elwyn
MemberI actually am making that comparison because it's a valid comparison. Maybe try viewing it more logically, instead of just emotionally.
toddoskarfox
MemberThis would have weight behind it if you weren't doing the exact thing that you complain about. Pokemon doesn't belong to you but you still draw them with genitals and doing sexual stuff without the permission of the owners. Practice what you preach before getting on other people's case for the same thing. I understand where you're coming from but complaining about it just makes you look hypocritical.
Clamdestine
MemberSorry bruh, F-List accounts gotta have pics and inlines ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Stavinair Caeruleum
MemberArguing go brrr
JSPaintObsessor
MemberYou have changed me, Scruff.
Stavinair Caeruleum
MemberScruffy spitting facts
insulindianPhasmid
MemberNay, people may do as they wish with publicy available images(as long as they don’t commit art theft*)
*using an image for ERP or profile pic is not art theft, it’s arguably rude but not art theft.
BooceBungalow
MemberThis part aged like milk considering Nintendo's new policies this year
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