More paw stuff from Braeburned?

Hallelujah!

harrybenson said:
They?

they.

I'm loving all this new art from braeburned

harrybenson said:
They?

Problem?

I love how casual this is.

soupkitchen said:
I still don't get what "they" is referring to, or who's even saying it.

in a world where people can't determine context

knotty_curls said:
in a world where people can't determine context

When I first read it I saw two different coloured speech bubbles, both I thought were referring to the two subjects within what's going on as collective "they", so my first thought was that they're not actively participating in the action and are basically just witnessing it on the side.
Then I noticed after I wrote the comment that the two must have been referring to the hyena who, because they have distinct male genitalia, a male name, and a flat chest, I "mistook" for being male, since gender identity is the last thing I look for while browsing a porn site, as shocking as that may sound.
Forgive me for thinking what first appeared to be "sideline commentary" was somewhat strange, as that's what I interpreted the text as when I first saw it and first shrugged it off as a weird grammatical error and decided to ask about it. I wouldn't doubt if I missed anything despite looking at this image quite a bit since I'm a slackjawed moron in my own right, but that's where the source of my confusion came from. It was a genuine error because it's something I'm not used to lmao.

They are both having alot of fun!

soupkitchen said:
I still don't get what "they" is referring to, or who's even saying it.

My character (and me, irl) uses they/them pronouns. If you don't like it just don't talk to me or about me and you won't have to even worry about pronouns.

trevortheyeen said:
My character (and me, irl) uses they/them pronouns. If you don't like it just don't talk to me or about me and you won't have to even worry about pronouns.

Valid point, but not once did I ever say that I have, nor do I have a problem with your/your character's pronouns though. I didn't understand who was talking about whom, that was my only beef with any of it. "They" is a very vague word with a lot of uses, so the word could have been referring to anything in the image. It's incredibly uncommon to see that kind of thing in dialogue and its use tripped me up (see my long-winded explanation from earlier.)

Regardless, it's a great piece and your character is cute as hell.

soupkitchen said:
Valid point, but not once did I ever say that I have, nor do I have a problem with your/your character's pronouns though. I didn't understand who was talking about whom, that was my only beef with any of it. "They" is a very vague word with a lot of uses, so the word could have been referring to anything in the image. It's incredibly uncommon to see that kind of thing in dialogue and its use tripped me up (see my long-winded explanation from earlier.)

Regardless, it's a great piece and your character is cute as hell.

Thank you, and I apologise then if you weren't trying to be disrespectful or rude, the comment I replied to and the long one after both came across as rude to me so that's why I responded the way I did. My bad. At the end of the day though, like you said in your longer comment, you're browsing a porn site, so focus on the content and not the grammar. I know Braeburned is a native English speaker but a lot of artists aren't so bringing it up it seems like you're going out of your way looking for a gender argument, or are just nitpicking foreigner's use of English; at least from my perspective.

They only ever would be referring to people though, wether that be an individual or group, so really there's only two ways to interpret the dialogue which would be they=hyena or they=hyena+paw friend, so I don't really understand your confusion since both interpretations are correct, they're both messy. And as an aside, you'll be seeing more dialogue with "they" in it as it becomes less and less stigmatized, and eventually becomes normal accepted use. (As in, not tied to a political issue for some god forsaken reason, cuz grammatically it already is accepted use)

It's all good though! No harm, no foul

P A W B S

soupkitchen said:
Valid point, but not once did I ever say that I have, nor do I have a problem with your/your character's pronouns though. I didn't understand who was talking about whom, that was my only beef with any of it. "They" is a very vague word with a lot of uses, so the word could have been referring to anything in the image. It's incredibly uncommon to see that kind of thing in dialogue and its use tripped me up (see my long-winded explanation from earlier.)

Regardless, it's a great piece and your character is cute as hell.

the good ending

femme_slut said:
Your a pussy stfu

the bad ending

steamengenius said:
thesis dudebro redditors handwringing about the word they
antithesis: sjw tumblrinas unable to reconcile a professed belief in a materialist theory of gender identity with the gender essentialism they practice

synthesis: e621's comment section

r/iamverysmart material lmao

femme_slut said:
Your a pussy stfu

Gonna argue about grammar but then uses wrong your/you're, what a dumbass

femme_slut said:
Your a pussy stfu

Good riddance

Bruh, I just wanted to see some quality wholesome porn from a great artist but then I looked into the comments ;-;
Its lookin like a reddit thread in here.

I love the little toe wiggle effects Brae draws for his characters when they're being fucked, it's such a cute touch

"They"? Wait—

nonbinary (lore)

Ah, super cool!
(Looking forward to when "super cool" becomes "super boring".)

Am I the only one who feels like calling this "male/male" is misgendering a bit? I know there's a non-binary tag as well, but still. (I can't find a way to word this that wouldn't end up in me getting downvoted a bunch lol)

nogooglewifeknowall said:
Am I the only one who feels like calling this "male/male" is misgendering a bit? I know there's a non-binary tag as well, but still. (I can't find a way to word this that wouldn't end up in me getting downvoted a bunch lol)

I feel like the 'tag what you see' ruling tends to not be inclusive or favorable to some transgender/non-binary folks on this site. And there are even times where males/females get mistagged based on what is 'seen', too.

It's not a system that I have seen other sites use, and I think it can generally cause confusion. Certainly no tagging system is perfect, but I think artists/content creators should have more say on the tags used for their work than e621 seems to allow.

I'm sure this is something that the site moderators are aware of as well. And I'm certainly no expert on this topic.

stop talking just beat your meat and go on with your night/day

I remember when no one gave a shit about referring to an individual as "they" as long as there was clear enough context about who you're talking about. I miss those days.

can't even get porn drawn of your fursona without getting misgendered smfh

cumgoblin420 said:
they.

See also:
Them.

Has anyone ever told you how good you draw cum and how cute you draw flustered faces bc if not, YOU DRAW THE ABSOLUTELY CUTEST FLUSTERED FACES and cum probably on this whole site

fluuffyraptor said:
Has anyone ever told you how good you draw cum and how cute you draw flustered faces bc if not, YOU DRAW THE ABSOLUTELY CUTEST FLUSTERED FACES and cum probably on this whole site

A much needed good comment after all that bickering I went theough to find it XD. Well said!

nogooglewifeknowall said:
Am I the only one who feels like calling this "male/male" is misgendering a bit? I know there's a non-binary tag as well, but still. (I can't find a way to word this that wouldn't end up in me getting downvoted a bunch lol)

E621 tagging system has lore tags which would include gender. If you see "male" or "female" without "(lore)", it's referring to the genitalia rather than the gender.

harrybenson said:
They?

they!

bhscorch1313 said:
I feel like the 'tag what you see' ruling tends to not be inclusive or favorable to some transgender/non-binary folks on this site. And there are even times where males/females get mistagged based on what is 'seen', too.

It's not a system that I have seen other sites use, and I think it can generally cause confusion. Certainly no tagging system is perfect, but I think artists/content creators should have more say on the tags used for their work than e621 seems to allow.

I'm sure this is something that the site moderators are aware of as well. And I'm certainly no expert on this topic.

I understand complaints from the people to whom the characters belong, but from a viewers standpoint there are plenty of straight men/lesbian women whom don't like dicks, or straight women/gay men whom don't like pussy. Honestly it shouldn't be demonized for people to be unattracted to genitalia; some people only care about personality, but some have specific physical preferences too, and that's okay. Maybe a nonbinary tag could be useful in addition to the standard ones based on perceived sex (especially so *certain* people could blacklist it instead of being disrespectful about it in the comments, and respectful commenters could know to use nonbinary pronouns), and I know people don't like to conflate physical sex characteristics with gender, but the tag-what-you-see system should be interpreted only as such, and not necessarily as a descriptor of peoples' identity.

forgotton said:
Gender is gender they can identify or call themselves whatever they want. But if it’s born male or female you cant change that. You can change appearance, terms, and body but you can’t change genetically, what you are.

Don’t hate me for a fact
I’m just stating a fact
(Edit) lmao knew it, people hate facts. Cant argue with people who don’t understand genetics or biology.
If I’m looking for male on male but come across a post with two females that identify as male it wouldn’t be male on male would it. It would be (female on female)and (transgender)

You seem to be confusing gender and sex

forgotton said:
My only problem with the way “they/them” is used is they and them are plural as in more than one more as more often than not referring to a group. Would it not be better to use the word “it” or “it’s”? as it is not plural.

Don’t get me wrong I’ll call someone who’s genetically male who wants to be called a female their preferred pronouns and vice versa.

I’d understand if you were to use the word they/them to identify yourself if it had more context as in “hey you bringing anyone?” “Yea I got someone, however (they) are allergic to birch”.

"You" used to be plural, and "thou" the singular, but we just use you for both now. Same goes for "they". It's used for both, just like in the example thou gave. Pronouns are always used in context, if you just said "She's coming with us too" as an addition to your example, who is she? There's no reason to be pedantic, we all know who the dialogue in the image is referring to.

And I said it before but here it is again. They only ever would be referring to people though, wether that be an individual or group, so really there's only two ways to interpret the dialogue which would be they=hyena or they=hyena+paw friend, so I don't really understand your confusion since both interpretations are correct, they're both messy.

forgotton said:
Gender is gender they can identify or call themselves whatever they want. But if it’s born male or female you cant change that. You can change appearance, terms, and body but you can’t change genetically, what you are.

Don’t hate me for a fact
I’m just stating a fact
(Edit) lmao knew it, people hate facts. Cant argue with people who don’t understand genetics or biology.
If I’m looking for male on male but come across a post with two females that identify as male it wouldn’t be male on male would it. It would be (female on female)and (transgender)

Dude this character LITERALLY has both a pussy and cock what are you on about? They're neither male or female, are you dense? XXY chromosomes, look it up. Can't argue with people that don't understand genetics or biology.

trevortheyeen said:
Dude this character LITERALLY has both a pussy and cock what are you on about?

Not in this picture they don't. If there is other information elsewhere then you can use the lore tags.

marsbat said:
Not in this picture they don't. If there is other information elsewhere then you can use the lore tags.

You literally just cut out all the context. Read the comment I replied to, and then my FULL comment. Not arguing tags, arguing pronoun usage and gender. Person is being a cunt about they/them usage and trying to say trans people aren't actually trans saying some stupid shit about genetics, and not once did we say anything about tags. Yes, lore tags can be used, but that's not relevant to the discussion right here. Thanks anyway I guess?

Good work brae.

trevortheyeen said:
My character (and me, irl) uses they/them pronouns. If you don't like it just don't talk to me or about me and you won't have to even worry about pronouns.

This is something I've always hated with people that have minority gender identities, they seem to think everyone will immediately understand them and if they don't they argue that they're ignorant and or sexist.

Like you've gotta understand not everybody will get gender identity especially if English isn't your first language it makes zero sense. If someone asks a genuine question and the person replying is being an ass how do you think that makes people with different gender identities look

squishnips36 said:
This is something I've always hated with people that have minority gender identities, they seem to think everyone will immediately understand them and if they don't they argue that they're ignorant and or sexist.

Like you've gotta understand not everybody will get gender identity especially if English isn't your first language it makes zero sense. If someone asks a genuine question and the person replying is being an ass how do you think that makes people with different gender identities look

imagine, hypothetically, that you're in the position of someone who is genuinely shitty. no really! imagine you have horrible views on minorities, and want to make their lives worse online. obviously, a lot of people like this exist online, right? So, imagine you're one of them

if you go around acting super offensive and aggressive, everyone will agree you're being super shitty and block you, etc. but no one can get mad at you if you're just pretending to be ignorant. Like you said, there are genuinely a lot of people out there who are confused and uneducated about gender stuff. so, the smartest thing for a shitty person to do is to pretend to be someone like that. If the minority ignores that person or gets mad, they're being aggressive and "making minorities look bad". If the minority takes the time, EVERY time, to explain an easily-googleable issue to a rando, then the shitty person has successfully found a way to waste that minorities time and energy on useless banter and can harrass them the second they get fed up with it

yes, there are genuinely people out there who "don't get it", but you have to understand that the everyday existence of a minority online means dealing with WAY more people who pretend not to get it, on purpose, just to "play devils advocate" and make their day worse. its literally written into their guides on how to harrass minorities online. nothing is more frustrating than having to explain your existence to strangers every day, and having them blame you for "making minorities look bad" if you get frustrated by it. before getting mad about a trans person having to explain that their existence is valid for the 20th time that day, please be a little more understanding of the intentional garbage they deal with daily

anyway im gonna go draw more queer porn. go leave some nice comments on other artists pieces instead of any more on this one

Thank you for making that shity discussion. As non-native speaker i've just learn that singular they in english can be used in context of transgender people.

braeburned said:
imagine, hypothetically, that you're in the position of someone who is genuinely shitty. no really! imagine you have horrible views on minorities, and want to make their lives worse online. obviously, a lot of people like this exist online, right? So, imagine you're one of them

if you go around acting super offensive and aggressive, everyone will agree you're being super shitty and block you, etc. but no one can get mad at you if you're just pretending to be ignorant. Like you said, there are genuinely a lot of people out there who are confused and uneducated about gender stuff. so, the smartest thing for a shitty person to do is to pretend to be someone like that. If the minority ignores that person or gets mad, they're being aggressive and "making minorities look bad". If the minority takes the time, EVERY time, to explain an easily-googleable issue to a rando, then the shitty person has successfully found a way to waste that minorities time and energy on useless banter and can harrass them the second they get fed up with it

yes, there are genuinely people out there who "don't get it", but you have to understand that the everyday existence of a minority online means dealing with WAY more people who pretend not to get it, on purpose, just to "play devils advocate" and make their day worse. its literally written into their guides on how to harrass minorities online. nothing is more frustrating than having to explain your existence to strangers every day, and having them blame you for "making minorities look bad" if you get frustrated by it. before getting mad about a trans person having to explain that their existence is valid for the 20th time that day, please be a little more understanding of the intentional garbage they deal with daily

anyway im gonna go draw more queer porn. go leave some nice comments on other artists pieces instead of any more on this one

based

soupkitchen said:
When I first read it I saw two different coloured speech bubbles, both I thought were referring to the two subjects within what's going on as collective "they", so my first thought was that they're not actively participating in the action and are basically just witnessing it on the side.
Then I noticed after I wrote the comment that the two must have been referring to the hyena who, because they have distinct male genitalia, a male name, and a flat chest, I "mistook" for being male, since gender identity is the last thing I look for while browsing a porn site, as shocking as that may sound.
Forgive me for thinking what first appeared to be "sideline commentary" was somewhat strange, as that's what I interpreted the text as when I first saw it and first shrugged it off as a weird grammatical error and decided to ask about it. I wouldn't doubt if I missed anything despite looking at this image quite a bit since I'm a slackjawed moron in my own right, but that's where the source of my confusion came from. It was a genuine error because it's something I'm not used to lmao.

How dare you make a simple mistake on the internet? That's it. I'm getting the cyber police involved

braeburned said:
imagine, hypothetically, that you're in the position of someone who is genuinely shitty. no really! imagine you have horrible views on minorities, and want to make their lives worse online. obviously, a lot of people like this exist online, right? So, imagine you're one of them

if you go around acting super offensive and aggressive, everyone will agree you're being super shitty and block you, etc. but no one can get mad at you if you're just pretending to be ignorant. Like you said, there are genuinely a lot of people out there who are confused and uneducated about gender stuff. so, the smartest thing for a shitty person to do is to pretend to be someone like that. If the minority ignores that person or gets mad, they're being aggressive and "making minorities look bad". If the minority takes the time, EVERY time, to explain an easily-googleable issue to a rando, then the shitty person has successfully found a way to waste that minorities time and energy on useless banter and can harrass them the second they get fed up with it

yes, there are genuinely people out there who "don't get it", but you have to understand that the everyday existence of a minority online means dealing with WAY more people who pretend not to get it, on purpose, just to "play devils advocate" and make their day worse. its literally written into their guides on how to harrass minorities online. nothing is more frustrating than having to explain your existence to strangers every day, and having them blame you for "making minorities look bad" if you get frustrated by it. before getting mad about a trans person having to explain that their existence is valid for the 20th time that day, please be a little more understanding of the intentional garbage they deal with daily

anyway im gonna go draw more queer porn. go leave some nice comments on other artists pieces instead of any more on this one

Well said man :) As an nb individual myself, I'm speaking from experience when I say that I cannot begin to tell you how exhausting it is having to deal with this stuff coming from almost every new person I have to introduce myself to for probably the rest of my life. All while half of these people are trying to convert me or something, telling me it makes no sense or that folks always grow out of it or whatever.

And what reeeeally doesn't help is when after having to put up with that stuff IRL, I come on the internet for a bit to escape and relax, just to find even more people making personal attacks on my very identity while defending their argument with totally unbiased "biology and common sense" which, by the way, a basic understanding of any of either biology, endocrinology, physiology, genetics, neuroscience, or reproductive science will ALL tell you that nonbinary people exist, same goes for all trans and intersex people.

Literally just be nice and use Google, it's that easy to figure this stuff out.

Been a long time fan of your work Brae, and this is just one more reason to add to the long list of reasons that you're one of my favorite artists of all time. Thanks for sticking up for my existence dude ✌️

braeburned said:
imagine, hypothetically, that you're in the position of someone who is genuinely shitty. no really! imagine you have horrible views on minorities, and want to make their lives worse online. obviously, a lot of people like this exist online, right? So, imagine you're one of them

if you go around acting super offensive and aggressive, everyone will agree you're being super shitty and block you, etc. but no one can get mad at you if you're just pretending to be ignorant. Like you said, there are genuinely a lot of people out there who are confused and uneducated about gender stuff. so, the smartest thing for a shitty person to do is to pretend to be someone like that. If the minority ignores that person or gets mad, they're being aggressive and "making minorities look bad". If the minority takes the time, EVERY time, to explain an easily-googleable issue to a rando, then the shitty person has successfully found a way to waste that minorities time and energy on useless banter and can harrass them the second they get fed up with it

yes, there are genuinely people out there who "don't get it", but you have to understand that the everyday existence of a minority online means dealing with WAY more people who pretend not to get it, on purpose, just to "play devils advocate" and make their day worse. its literally written into their guides on how to harrass minorities online. nothing is more frustrating than having to explain your existence to strangers every day, and having them blame you for "making minorities look bad" if you get frustrated by it. before getting mad about a trans person having to explain that their existence is valid for the 20th time that day, please be a little more understanding of the intentional garbage they deal with daily

anyway im gonna go draw more queer porn. go leave some nice comments on other artists pieces instead of any more on this one

Enby here, 100% agree with this. Also the idea that somehow non-binary identities aren't valid in the context of pornography because they reveal which parts they have down there is, quite frankly, not welcome in these spaces.

Imagine getting angry and arguing over a drawing of a guy getting a footjob. Grow up. lol

dragonmx6 said:
Good riddance

yo, stop arguing like children on a furry porn site

the_cheeki_breeker said: . . .

What discussion is there to be had?
They told you their pronouns and asked you to use them. That is all.

There is nothing insufferable about it. It's just being polite.
If you believe that basic decency needs to be "earned" somehow, I don't know what else to tell you.

the_cheeki_breeker said:

you comment "what a cute little girl" on pictures of 8 year olds

femme_slut said:
Your a pussy stfu

you're an asshole stfu

Genuine question here. If I’m looking for specifically lesbians and lesbians only, yet I find an post of two “entities” with cocks railing each other. Is it even Lesbian at that point? Does simply saying you’re Characters in the post are Female make it qualify as Lesbian?

As if that’s the case how do I blacklist that? I’m into gay sex but when I’m looking for something specific I don’t want something completely opposite of what I’m looking for.

trevortheyeen said:
Dude this character LITERALLY has both a pussy and cock what are you on about? They're neither male or female, are you dense? XXY chromosomes, look it up. Can't argue with people that don't understand genetics or biology.

Your reply is illogical, I can’t see a pussy can I? I’m not going to do in depth research on this character.

trevortheyeen said:
"You" used to be plural, and "thou" the singular, but we just use you for both now. Same goes for "they". It's used for both, just like in the example thou gave. Pronouns are always used in context, if you just said "She's coming with us too" as an addition to your example, who is she? There's no reason to be pedantic, we all know who the dialogue in the image is referring to.

And I said it before but here it is again. They only ever would be referring to people though, wether that be an individual or group, so really there's only two ways to interpret the dialogue which would be they=hyena or they=hyena+paw friend, so I don't really understand your confusion since both interpretations are correct, they're both messy.

Bruh can we get “Thou” tag. And no I’ve never been in a situation nevertheless seen a situation where someone refers to another as “they” when they’re right next to each other. Had to Re read the thing twice to understand what the artist was trying to convey.

forgotton said:
Genuine question here. If I’m looking for specifically lesbians and lesbians only, yet I find an post of two “entities” with cocks railing each other. Is it even Lesbian at that point? Does simply saying you’re Characters in the post are Female make it qualify as Lesbian?

As if that’s the case how do I blacklist that? I’m into gay sex but when I’m looking for something specific I don’t want something completely opposite of what I’m looking for.

Just blacklist the non-binary and trans lore tags then and move on. No one really gives a shit what you're into. The argument was never about the tags, it was about pronouns but way to go making it about you

forgotton said:
Bruh can we get “Thou” tag. And no I’ve never been in a situation nevertheless seen a situation where someone refers to another as “they” when they’re right next to each other. Had to Re read the thing twice to understand what the artist was trying to convey.

Bruh just say you're transphobic and go, you waste everyone's time doing mental gymnastics to try to justify not using correct pronouns. We get it, you're a piece of shit, let it go already. It's literally been 9 months since this art piece was posted don't know why you're coming back just to post more dumb comments on it

forgotton said: . . .

trevortheyeen said: . . .

Calm down, and stop making a scene.

forgotton said:
Genuine question here. If I’m looking for specifically lesbians and lesbians only, yet I find an post of two “entities” with cocks railing each other.

If you are looking for lesbians specifically, you should be searching female/female.
What's the problem here?

bitwolfy said:
Calm down, and stop making a scene.

If you are looking for lesbians specifically, you should be searching female/female.
What's the problem here?

Thanks an actual response pertaining to my question have a good day.

Camping E6 comments on a photo of a dogman getting his cock rubbed with feet
lul

draggingsnow said:
Camping E6 comments on a photo of a dogman getting his cock rubbed with feet
lul

Well, its stated the character uses they/them pronouns numerous times sooo im assuming youre just trying to stir a problem lol

fluffycqt said:
stop talking just beat your meat and go on with your night/day

Best comment in porn site ever. My sincere congratulations. Not irony just in case

This is vary owo

pawss

Sheesh, what a warzone here

It seems when you post a non-cis character on e621 the coin of fate is flipped. Heads and nothing is out of the ordinary; tails and an argument breaks out.

Y’all arguing over a pronoun and I’m wondering where’s the reason for the bulge tag on this? I don’t see a bulge anywhere.

We need more paw things like this