Someone must have worked a lot on this one because this is an example of photorealistic furry art that should be taught in schools.

Some of her facial features are still toony (like her eyes), but everything else looks lifelike and this eliminates that uncanny valley feel.

ironicfur said:
Someone must have worked a lot on this one because this is an example of photorealistic furry art that should be taught in schools.

Some of her facial features are still toony (like her eyes), but everything else looks lifelike and this eliminates that uncanny valley feel.

The transition between fur and "hair" (longer fur) looks pretty good.

More genetic experimentation is needed.

lance_armstrong said:
The transition between fur and "hair" (longer fur) looks pretty good.

More genetic experimentation is needed.

Getting into the messy subject that are the ethics of genetic research is highly risky, but I believe we definitely need IRL furries who look like this. This is the perfect encapsulation of what I think a human-animal hybrid looks like in real life.

This is Homo sapiens bestialis... The wise beastman/animalhuman. And of course, they will hopefully be genetically backwards compatible with us, mere homo sapients.

ironicfur said:
Getting into the messy subject that are the ethics of genetic research is highly risky, but I believe we definitely need IRL furries who look like this. This is the perfect encapsulation of what I think a human-animal hybrid looks like in real life.

This is Homo sapiens bestialis... The wise beastman/animalhuman. And of course, they will hopefully be genetically backwards compatible with us, mere homo sapients.

Obviously, the eyes are going to have to be smaller, which will deviate from this.

The eyebrows might be "wrong". I think some dogs have bushy eyebrows similar to humans, but flat coloration like this is also possible.

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An important point is that a hypothetical IRL fox, dog, or cat anthro would be extremely genetically similar to humans (go figure, I didn't even realize this was supposed to be a fox before looking at the tags). It would be a humanoid bipedal mammal, sharing much more DNA with humans than chimpanzees and probably even recent hominids like Homo erectus and Neanderthals. The anthro is created by working backwards from a human starting point. Even an avian or scalie anthro could end up being a mammal or largely having mammalian features. Compatibility is not guaranteed, and sterility or horrible genetic diseases are possible.

Ethics are made to be ignored, as demonstrated by He Jiankui and many governments. If the research happens successfully, it will be because biotechnology is becoming cheap and accessible enough to allow the ethically challenged to work without oversight and within a tight budget. The secondhand lab equipment market could help make it affordable. It will also require advances in computing and genomics to simulate the effects of gene edits. A mere multi-million dollar effort could make it happen, and the results can be distributed online anonymously.

Life extension is also important, to give a better chance of seeing this through.

Wow she's gorgeous

lance_armstrong said:
Obviously, the eyes are going to have to be smaller, which will deviate from this.

The eyebrows might be "wrong". I think some dogs have bushy eyebrows similar to humans, but flat coloration like this is also possible.

post #2050507 post #2320062 post #1756876 post #1780511 post #1752468 post #1728229

An important point is that a hypothetical IRL fox, dog, or cat anthro would be extremely genetically similar to humans (go figure, I didn't even realize this was supposed to be a fox before looking at the tags). It would be a humanoid bipedal mammal, sharing much more DNA with humans than chimpanzees and probably even recent hominids like Homo erectus and Neanderthals. The anthro is created by working backwards from a human starting point. Even an avian or scalie anthro could end up being a mammal or largely having mammalian features. Compatibility is not guaranteed, and sterility or horrible genetic diseases are possible.

Ethics are made to be ignored, as demonstrated by He Jiankui and many governments. If the research happens successfully, it will be because biotechnology is becoming cheap and accessible enough to allow the ethically challenged to work without oversight and within a tight budget. The secondhand lab equipment market could help make it affordable. It will also require advances in computing and genomics to simulate the effects of gene edits. A mere multi-million dollar effort could make it happen, and the results can be distributed online anonymously.

Life extension is also important, to give a better chance of seeing this through.

I like the "uplifting" approach more, taking animals and making modifications in them until they are anthros. A fox anthro made in this way would be more like Vulpes sapiens than Homo sapiens vulpes or whatever. There would be much superficial similarities but in the deep level they would be complitely different.

supina said:
I like the "uplifting" approach more, taking animals and making modifications in them until they are anthros. A fox anthro made in this way would be more like Vulpes sapiens than Homo sapiens vulpes or whatever. There would be much superficial similarities but in the deep level they would be complitely different.

I'm not sure it would make sense, if the end goal is human level intelligence and a mostly human form. It would be much easier to start with a human template and replace 1-5% of the DNA. As some kind of convergent evolution experiment, I guess that it could be valuable.

I can say that basic uplift experiments are happening right out in the open:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/half-cells-mouses-brain-are-human-180953520/

lance_armstrong said:
I'm not sure it would make sense, if the end goal is human level intelligence and a mostly human form. It would be much easier to start with a human template and replace 1-5% of the DNA. As some kind of convergent evolution experiment, I guess that it could be valuable.

I can say that basic uplift experiments are happening right out in the open:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/half-cells-mouses-brain-are-human-180953520/

IDK, man... I do not like the uplifting method because it may lead to anthros that still keep their dangerous animal instincts. I would not like to see examples of a humanoid wolf killing a human or a humanoid sheep, or anything like that. And the uplifting efforts allow that to happen. I think the "mix-and-match" method of creating genetically modified sperm and ovum cells via replacing a few percent of the human DNA with the most important parts of the target animal's DNA that got extracted from their saliva or hair, or just connecting that animal DNA chunk to the already complete human DNA is a whole lot more feasable for creating superhumans with animal features that do not abuse their animal instincts for evil purposes, such as killing a fellow human or anthro being.

Honestly, I do not need Beastars' setting to become real because there was a fatal flaw in the behaviour control part of the genetic engineering that led to chaos like this.

ironicfur said:
IDK, man... I do not like the uplifting method because it may lead to anthros that still keep their dangerous animal instincts. I would not like to see examples of a humanoid wolf killing a human or a humanoid sheep, or anything like that. And the uplifting efforts allow that to happen. I think the "mix-and-match" method of creating genetically modified sperm and ovum cells via replacing a few percent of the human DNA with the most important parts of the target animal's DNA that got extracted from their saliva or hair, or just connecting that animal DNA chunk to the already complete human DNA is a whole lot more feasable for creating superhumans with animal features that do not abuse their animal instincts for evil purposes, such as killing a fellow human or anthro being.

Honestly, I do not need Beastars' setting to become real because there was a fatal flaw in the behaviour control part of the genetic engineering that led to chaos like this.

"Instincts?"

What makes you think an uplifted person would retain any more dangerous instincts than an evolved one, e.g. a human? Behaviour mostly depends on culture. In the prehistoric times 2-3 % of humans died in the hands of other humans, which is pretty average number among mammals. Nowadays our violent instincts cause much less damage thanks to this whole civilization thing, despite our DNA staying practically the same.

ironicfur said:
Getting into the messy subject that are the ethics of genetic research is highly risky, but I believe we definitely need IRL furries who look like this. This is the perfect encapsulation of what I think a human-animal hybrid looks like in real life.

This is Homo sapiens bestialis... The wise beastman/animalhuman. And of course, they will hopefully be genetically backwards compatible with us, mere homo sapients.

I am going to go on a hunch and say that some kind of cross would either be an abomination or simply not survive. Foxes and dogs look the way they do because they fill a certain niche. For example, a digitigrade biped would likely have problems maintaining balance while walking imo. Another example is that the human skull is what it is because it evolved to fit our brain. I don't know how a fox skull designed to fit a big brain would look like, but probably more like a human. Maybe making a human with fox like fur is possible, but fitting in other animalistic features would probably be difficult.

And that's not even getting into ethics. I don't think we need genetically engineered sex slaves, and making something like that is abhorrent in my opinion. Neither do we need to "uplift" other species for our own selfish and exploitative goals, if that can even be done within a reasonable time-frame. Other beings shouldn't be consumed like new TV sets and shouldn't be seen as products. Genetic engineering in general is a whole can of worms, and I think that it will bring more harm than good in the long run.

anawim said:
I am going to go on a hunch and say that some kind of cross would either be an abomination or simply not survive. Foxes and dogs look the way they do because they fill a certain niche. For example, a digitigrade biped would likely have problems maintaining balance while walking imo. Another example is that the human skull is what it is because it evolved to fit our brain. I don't know how a fox skull designed to fit a big brain would look like, but probably more like a human. Maybe making a human with fox like fur is possible, but fitting in other animalistic features would probably be difficult.

And that's not even getting into ethics. I don't think we need genetically engineered sex slaves, and making something like that is abhorrent in my opinion. Neither do we need to "uplift" other species for our own selfish and exploitative goals, if that can even be done within a reasonable time-frame. Other beings shouldn't be consumed like new TV sets and shouldn't be seen as products. Genetic engineering in general is a whole can of worms, and I think that it will bring more harm than good in the long run.

If science advances to these highs, I, too, would not like to see them used as mindless sex slaves. Solving the issue of the demographic downfall of 1st-world countries and the rise of rejected, lonely men is a big issue that this would solve, but this is just one aspect from the huge pool that this project offers us. They're going to have dreams, goals and feelings, too. We need their talent to advance us even further as a species and make a better life for them as well. Let we bake the cake and let those people eat it, too.

Finally, I hope scientists are going to experiment from sources they got from not hurting a living creature, instead, they would just collect the DNA samples and reproductive cells for modification peacefully. You know, still having some effort put into being somewhat ethical while they're literally bending the current laws of biology.

Peace, second baby boom and faster advancement in science; this is what I think a Furtopia would bring us to.

Call me crazy, but believe in it, this is my opinion and I respect yours, as well as many other people's.