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Funny thing, the DND lore of kobolds says they're resistant little bastards. Like an infestation of cockroaches, you can't kill the entire hive, there's just too many, and even down to the individual they are hardy and adaptable.
lairy said: Funny thing, the DND lore of kobolds says they're resistant little bastards. Like an infestation of cockroaches, you can't kill the entire hive, there's just too many, and even down to the individual they are hardy and adaptable.
People just aren't trying hard enough. For every promiscous creature there is a poison or predator in nature that already exists to check their numbers.
Ex. Essential Oils Make Better Insecticides.
Like neem oil. I swear the neem tree hates insects more than any other creature could possibly hate them. The oil is a hardcore endocrine & hormone disruptor. It kills nymphs & screws up adult insects to the point that it's like chemically castrating them. I'm gearing up to nail bait boxes to nearby trees with neem laced goodies. Don't worry. Most insects actually realize what's going on. The ones that don't (usually the target pests) scarf the bait like the glue eaters they are.
TL;DR You could also set up a farm & make them into a food source. The DnD universe isn't very advanced (if you exclude magic) so this solution is the most viable (if you still exclude magic).
11110100110101000111 said: People just aren't trying hard enough. For every promiscous creature there is a poison or predator in nature that already exists to check their numbers.
You ever hear of these funny little creatures called "Humans", they didn't seem to be halted by nature too much for the past couple thousand years. They aren't even a hermaphroditical species, nor are they capable of doubling their population in a month, and their gestation period is far more stable and much quicker for all parties involved. Even if you get it down to the last 2 kobolds (they can even both be the same sex) and those damn things will repopulate in less than a decade. You can even stomp on the egg and it will hatch without complication.
Kobolds are clearly a more advanced species than the most of the ancient civilizations, so they have the knowledge and structure to not be wiped by an attempted poisoned resource.
I do have a question about what you mean by 'The DnD universe', what universe are you referring to? I'm sticking to the general lore of kobolds that applies to all of them across the editions and the multiverse. I'd hesitate to call Eberon anything other than 'very advanced', additionally could you define what you mean by 'advanced'? Without a proper concrete definition and without say what setting you're referring too I can't make a specific case against it. And if we are excluding magic from our comparison, it's only fair to remove the analogous thing from reality in our comparison, electricity. At which point the only difference between the two other than fantasy races is that guns are guaranteed to exist in our world and it's up to the DM in DND.
As a food source, kobolds are incredibly thin (usually weighing 20-30 lbs, of which 15-20 is skeleton), and thanks to their semi-draconic lineage, can eat nearly anything making them a poor choice for nutrition unless you specifically make the diet to be high nutrition foods, but even then kobolds are genetically hardwired to only eat as much as they need for the colony to survive and save all extra food for later. So unless you're fond of eating bones and/or sucking the marrow from bones (like say a DRAGON), kobolds don't make good food source.
lairy said: You ever hear of these funny little creatures called "Humans", they didn't seem to be halted by nature too much for the past couple thousand years. They aren't even a hermaphroditical species, nor are they capable of doubling their population in a month, and their gestation period is far more stable and much quicker for all parties involved. Even if you get it down to the last 2 kobolds (they can even both be the same sex) and those damn things will repopulate in less than a decade. You can even stomp on the egg and it will hatch without complication.
Kobolds are clearly a more advanced species than the most of the ancient civilizations, so they have the knowledge and structure to not be wiped by an attempted poisoned resource.
I do have a question about what you mean by 'The DnD universe', what universe are you referring to? I'm sticking to the general lore of kobolds that applies to all of them across the editions and the multiverse. I'd hesitate to call Eberon anything other than 'very advanced', additionally could you define what you mean by 'advanced'? Without a proper concrete definition and without say what setting you're referring too I can't make a specific case against it. And if we are excluding magic from our comparison, it's only fair to remove the analogous thing from reality in our comparison, electricity. At which point the only difference between the two other than fantasy races is that guns are guaranteed to exist in our world and it's up to the DM in DND.
As a food source, kobolds are incredibly thin (usually weighing 20-30 lbs, of which 15-20 is skeleton), and thanks to their semi-draconic lineage, can eat nearly anything making them a poor choice for nutrition unless you specifically make the diet to be high nutrition foods, but even then kobolds are genetically hardwired to only eat as much as they need for the colony to survive and save all extra food for later. So unless you're fond of eating bones and/or sucking the marrow from bones (like say a DRAGON), kobolds don't make good food source.
I'll admit to not knowing DnD. I'm outside looking in.
I don't consider magic & electricity to be the same, as I classify magic as an expression of spiritual/ethereal will, whereas electricity IRL is an energy field phenomena arising from physical law. So by "not advanced", I meant the DnD multiverse lacks understanding of their physical laws, at least in comparison to us IRL, & use magic to make up for it. Though, feel free to correct me, as an outsider, seeing as I'm probably still wrong about that.
If the definition of advanced includes & factors their magical prowess, then the answer is yes. They are advanced.
I was just caught by your comparison of kobolds to roaches, so most of what I replied with actually had to do with roaches (if you expanded & read the section). Again because I'm outside looking in.
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I'll go out on a limb & say that I've been dealing with Smoky Brown roaches coming into my home. I've also dealt with German & American roaches. I started using a water vapor diffuser made for essential & carrier oil concoctions. I use oils that specifically have insecticidal effects, as in spiracle respiration, or ingestion, is enough to mark most insects for death. The second I started doing that the German & American roaches >haven't shown up since<. The Smoky Browns just keep on coming though, probably because they're absurdly stupid, considering that I have tested the oils on caught ones. They still end up having a bad time. They're just that stupid to go to toxic locations.
Seeing as botanical oils are naturally evolved toxins, I assumed there would be similar cases with kobolds. & again with predation. I assume this because, as you point out, their success is due to biology. Not necessarily intelligence, even if they are capable of it. Because of that, they have always had the capability of exploding in population at any given time if they happen to be in a good location. Seeing as that would create a historical trend, that gives me further reason to assume that there are extensive number checks occurring against kobolds in nature.
As for the farm idea, that still more or less had to do with roaches. This notion is based on how rapidly & efficiently insects tend to reproduce & infest locations. So if there are a lot of them, why not eat 'em? I did figure dragons would be the primary beneficiaries of farming kobolds.
In other words your kobold-cockroach comparison really confused me, as your correction reveals that kobolds are not stupid like roaches are, & are in many ways even more resilient than roaches. At the very least kobolds should be smart enough to not come into my fucking house after I've laced it with poisons designed specifically for them, while I'm unaffected minding my own damn business.
Also kobolds are more cute (as displayed here).
As for the human analogy, evolution is kinda slow, I don't deny that. We only really exploded in numbers over the past 2 centuries due to knowledge (not biology). The only creatures that even have a chance of checking our numbers are microbes, & that's only really due to some historical event where we were forced to become inbred. Hence the 99.4% genetic similarity across all races/ethnicities.
It's fine, after seeing this message, it's clear to me we both misunderstood what the other was saying. As someone who loves reading the DND lore, I'd say magic if far more analogous to electricity than people think. Both are required to power machines, light houses, and help advance society at the whims of the intelligent people who test the way the world works.
Here's another fun lore fact for you: The wizards of DND lore were so knowledgeable about magic and the functions of the world, they managed to create a spell of 12th level to literally become the god of magic. This has since forth caused the gods to limit the ability of mortals to only 9th level spells. This also cause the gods to basically shut of magic in the world for a while they were so angry.
lairy said: In the lore of DnD, I'd say the wizards understand the weave better than we modern humans understand our world.
It's fine, after seeing this message, it's clear to me we both misunderstood what the other was saying. As someone who loves reading the DND lore, I'd say magic if far more analogous to electricity than people think. Both are required to power machines, light houses, and help advance society at the whims of the intelligent people who test the way the world works.
Here's another fun lore fact for you: The wizards of DND lore were so knowledgeable about magic and the functions of the world, they managed to create a spell of 12th level to literally become the god of magic. This has since forth caused the gods to limit the ability of mortals to only 9th level spells. This also cause the gods to basically shut of magic in the world for a while they were so angry.
Did you know, it's projected that within the next century or two, assuming no apocalypse, we will solve death? & probably a bunch of other things, like space travel or if souls exist.
11110100110101000111 said: Did you know, it's projected that within the next century or two, assuming no apocalypse, we will solve death? & probably a bunch of other things, like space travel or if souls exist.
Lmfao why is there a full on discussion going on in the comment section of an image of a kobold after a good dickin’? I’m only a starter in DND, meaning that I still have yet to learn about it. However from what I read so far, I dislike the idea of using kobolds as a food source. They’re too cute and innocent, and pretty smart too (sometimes) The idea of eating something that stands on two legs, looks like a scalie and has a good intellectual mind feels kinda messed up. Lmao Although I am a little bit bias as I do love kobolds :>
lit_dragonuwu said: Lmfao why is there a full on discussion going on in the comment section of an image of a kobold after a good dickin’? I’m only a starter in DND, meaning that I still have yet to learn about it. However from what I read so far, I dislike the idea of using kobolds as a food source. They’re too cute and innocent, and pretty smart too (sometimes) The idea of eating something that stands on two legs, looks like a scalie and has a good intellectual mind feels kinda messed up. Lmao Although I am a little bit bias as I do love kobolds :>
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Lairy
MemberFunny thing, the DND lore of kobolds says they're resistant little bastards. Like an infestation of cockroaches, you can't kill the entire hive, there's just too many, and even down to the individual they are hardy and adaptable.
A Dopey Robot
MemberPeople just aren't trying hard enough. For every promiscous creature there is a poison or predator in nature that already exists to check their numbers.
Ex. Essential Oils Make Better Insecticides.
Like neem oil. I swear the neem tree hates insects more than any other creature could possibly hate them. The oil is a hardcore endocrine & hormone disruptor. It kills nymphs & screws up adult insects to the point that it's like chemically castrating them. I'm gearing up to nail bait boxes to nearby trees with neem laced goodies. Don't worry. Most insects actually realize what's going on. The ones that don't (usually the target pests) scarf the bait like the glue eaters they are.
TL;DR
You could also set up a farm & make them into a food source. The DnD universe isn't very advanced (if you exclude magic) so this solution is the most viable (if you still exclude magic).
Lairy
MemberYou ever hear of these funny little creatures called "Humans", they didn't seem to be halted by nature too much for the past couple thousand years. They aren't even a hermaphroditical species, nor are they capable of doubling their population in a month, and their gestation period is far more stable and much quicker for all parties involved. Even if you get it down to the last 2 kobolds (they can even both be the same sex) and those damn things will repopulate in less than a decade. You can even stomp on the egg and it will hatch without complication.
Kobolds are clearly a more advanced species than the most of the ancient civilizations, so they have the knowledge and structure to not be wiped by an attempted poisoned resource.
I do have a question about what you mean by 'The DnD universe', what universe are you referring to? I'm sticking to the general lore of kobolds that applies to all of them across the editions and the multiverse. I'd hesitate to call Eberon anything other than 'very advanced', additionally could you define what you mean by 'advanced'? Without a proper concrete definition and without say what setting you're referring too I can't make a specific case against it. And if we are excluding magic from our comparison, it's only fair to remove the analogous thing from reality in our comparison, electricity. At which point the only difference between the two other than fantasy races is that guns are guaranteed to exist in our world and it's up to the DM in DND.
As a food source, kobolds are incredibly thin (usually weighing 20-30 lbs, of which 15-20 is skeleton), and thanks to their semi-draconic lineage, can eat nearly anything making them a poor choice for nutrition unless you specifically make the diet to be high nutrition foods, but even then kobolds are genetically hardwired to only eat as much as they need for the colony to survive and save all extra food for later. So unless you're fond of eating bones and/or sucking the marrow from bones (like say a DRAGON), kobolds don't make good food source.
A Dopey Robot
MemberSorry this was long.
I'll admit to not knowing DnD. I'm outside looking in.
I don't consider magic & electricity to be the same, as I classify magic as an expression of spiritual/ethereal will, whereas electricity IRL is an energy field phenomena arising from physical law.
So by "not advanced", I meant the DnD multiverse lacks understanding of their physical laws, at least in comparison to us IRL, & use magic to make up for it. Though, feel free to correct me, as an outsider, seeing as I'm probably still wrong about that.
If the definition of advanced includes & factors their magical prowess, then the answer is yes. They are advanced.
I was just caught by your comparison of kobolds to roaches, so most of what I replied with actually had to do with roaches (if you expanded & read the section). Again because I'm outside looking in.
More Explaining
I'll go out on a limb & say that I've been dealing with Smoky Brown roaches coming into my home. I've also dealt with German & American roaches. I started using a water vapor diffuser made for essential & carrier oil concoctions. I use oils that specifically have insecticidal effects, as in spiracle respiration, or ingestion, is enough to mark most insects for death. The second I started doing that the German & American roaches >haven't shown up since<. The Smoky Browns just keep on coming though, probably because they're absurdly stupid, considering that I have tested the oils on caught ones. They still end up having a bad time. They're just that stupid to go to toxic locations.
Seeing as botanical oils are naturally evolved toxins, I assumed there would be similar cases with kobolds. & again with predation. I assume this because, as you point out, their success is due to biology. Not necessarily intelligence, even if they are capable of it. Because of that, they have always had the capability of exploding in population at any given time if they happen to be in a good location. Seeing as that would create a historical trend, that gives me further reason to assume that there are extensive number checks occurring against kobolds in nature.
As for the farm idea, that still more or less had to do with roaches. This notion is based on how rapidly & efficiently insects tend to reproduce & infest locations. So if there are a lot of them, why not eat 'em?
I did figure dragons would be the primary beneficiaries of farming kobolds.
In other words your kobold-cockroach comparison really confused me, as your correction reveals that kobolds are not stupid like roaches are, & are in many ways even more resilient than roaches.
At the very least kobolds should be smart enough to not come into my fucking house after I've laced it with poisons designed specifically for them, while I'm unaffected minding my own damn business.
Also kobolds are more cute (as displayed here).
As for the human analogy, evolution is kinda slow, I don't deny that. We only really exploded in numbers over the past 2 centuries due to knowledge (not biology). The only creatures that even have a chance of checking our numbers are microbes, & that's only really due to some historical event where we were forced to become inbred. Hence the 99.4% genetic similarity across all races/ethnicities.
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Lairy
MemberIn the lore of DnD, I'd say the wizards understand the weave better than we modern humans understand our world.
It's fine, after seeing this message, it's clear to me we both misunderstood what the other was saying. As someone who loves reading the DND lore, I'd say magic if far more analogous to electricity than people think. Both are required to power machines, light houses, and help advance society at the whims of the intelligent people who test the way the world works.
Here's another fun lore fact for you:
The wizards of DND lore were so knowledgeable about magic and the functions of the world, they managed to create a spell of 12th level to literally become the god of magic. This has since forth caused the gods to limit the ability of mortals to only 9th level spells. This also cause the gods to basically shut of magic in the world for a while they were so angry.
A Dopey Robot
MemberDid you know, it's projected that within the next century or two, assuming no apocalypse, we will solve death? & probably a bunch of other things, like space travel or if souls exist.
Lit Dragonuwu
MemberLmfao why is there a full on discussion going on in the comment section of an image of a kobold after a good dickin’?
I’m only a starter in DND, meaning that I still have yet to learn about it. However from what I read so far, I dislike the idea of using kobolds as a food source. They’re too cute and innocent, and pretty smart too (sometimes)
The idea of eating something that stands on two legs, looks like a scalie and has a good intellectual mind feels kinda messed up. Lmao
Although I am a little bit bias as I do love kobolds :>
A Dopey Robot
MemberDragons are kind of messed up sometimes. :V
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