Well... At least he's honest?

nironira said:
Well, if it wouldn't Israel would be eaten alive by its neighbors.

If by "eaten alive" you mean to have fewer resources to violate international law and target civilians then yeah.

frostmyr said:
you must be new to north korea and china, israel has it better

Oppression isn't a competition, and for the record, the reason why people are critical of Isreal is that the USA considers them both an ally and gives them money and arms (hence the idea of the meme we're commenting on). The USA is NOT an ally of China or North Korea, furthermore, the USA does not have the right to support an Ethnic Cleaning done by an ally then tries to act as a symbol of moral justice for the rest of the world. The same is true for any nation that allies itself with fascist nations.

uh oh politics

bednoises said:
uh oh politics

...Always a muddled mixture of motives.

bednoises said:
uh oh politics

P-p-p-p-po-po-po-Politics?

politics is just one giant ass blast

Two nations warring over which interpretation of Abrahamic mythology is the "correct" one. It's like the entire middle east has just been one big Kirk vs. Picard battle since the beginning of history.

aomikan said:
Two nations warring over which interpretation of Abrahamic mythology is the "correct" one. It's like the entire middle east has just been one big Kirk vs. Picard battle since the beginning of history.

It doesn't help that the Allies who won WWII didn't bother learning about the different types of people in the Middle-East when drawing up borders. It was not handled as well as it should, to say the least, and the Middle-East still suffers.

data said:
It doesn't help that the Allies who won WWII didn't bother learning about the different types of people in the Middle-East when drawing up borders. It was not handled as well as it should, to say the least, and the Middle-East still suffers.

Definitely. The former colonial powers have messed stuff up really bad over there and in many other place in the world as well. I think we all can agree on that just as we can agree on the fact that they (Israel and Palestine) deserve their own countries. But we also have to notice that on both sides, Israel and Palestine, are radicals, who are dangerous and want the conflict. Of course there are also a majority of people, who just want to live in peace, and keep suffering under the decicions of their politicians and interventions from the outside.
It would be best for both countries people to work together than fight each other and build a united front against their opponents. Both "races" (sorry I don't know a better word for it) are equally hated by their neighbors and around the globe after all.

badbandicoot said:
If by "eaten alive" you mean to have fewer resources to violate international law and target civilians then yeah.

How many resources does Israel spend on doing fictional things?

badbandicoot said:
Oppression isn't a competition, and for the record, the reason why people are critical of Israel is that the USA considers them both an ally and gives them money and arms (hence the idea of the meme we're commenting on). The USA is NOT an ally of China or North Korea, furthermore, the USA does not have the right to support an Ethnic Cleaning done by an ally then tries to act as a symbol of moral justice for the rest of the world. The same is true for any nation that allies itself with fascist nations.

Israel must be REALLY bad at Ethnic Cleansing when Arab Muslims hold 15 seats in the Israeli Parliament.

Israel offered the Palestinians their own state with different variations on 5 separate occasions through out history. Palestine is not interested in any peaceful compromises as they do not believe Israel has any right to exist or any claims to the areas. Israel gave up the Gaza strip voluntarily with the hope that the Palestinians would use it to start their own state and from there coexistence and compromises could be reached. However, the Gaza strip has been used for military and terrorist operations and is the focal point from which they launch rockets into Israel at civilian cities and targets. In the words of the 1967 Arab summit, " NO PEACE WITH ISRAEL NO RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL NO NEGOITIOATIONS WITH ISRAEL" SOURCE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NytvQAIs0

monfang said:
How many resources does Israel spend on doing fictional things?

Israel must be REALLY bad at Ethnic Cleansing when Arab Muslims hold 15 seats in the Israeli Parliament.

Fictional things? What does that mean? You do understand you're not allowed to target civilian infrastructure right? Hell, just today there were videos released all over the web of them targeting businesses. There's plenty of evidence of civilian casualties among those same casualties plenty of them are children. If you wanna hold a pro-Isreal/unsympathetic view of the Palestinian people? Okay fair, enough but at least have the integrity and honesty to call what's going on what it is instead of being an apologist partisan hack. Ignoring the problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist lmao.

As far as things go with the Muslim representation in the Israeli parliament? I'll willing to admit I could do more research into the matter but honestly from what I see? A useless head pat gesture and a little more, they're actively pushing these people out of the region one building at a time.

aomikan said:
It's like the entire middle east has just been one big Kirk vs. Picard battle since the beginning of history.

A fight over fake sky people has never been a more apt description :O

Don't worry, he's also selling weapons to Islamists in Syria!

It's the Hamas that fire their rockets from residental areas, using the civilians as human shield. And what is Israel supposed to do when getting fired at with hundreds of them? The only logical consequence is to neutralize those launch positions to prevent further attacks.
The Palestine region also gets humanitary aid from several countries, and it's not really a low budget. People there still are hungry, have low medicine accessibility and live in poverty. Looking at the recent arsenal the Hamas launched it's not hard to guess where that money went.

Palestine had more than enough chances to be peaceful, gain independence and benefit from diplomacy - they outright refuse it continously , so who is to blame here other than the Hamas?

badbandicoot said:
Fictional things? What does that mean? You do understand you're not allowed to target civilian infrastructure right? Hell, just today there were videos released all over the web of them targeting businesses. There's plenty of evidence of civilian casualties among those same casualties plenty of them are children. If you wanna hold a pro-Isreal/unsympathetic view of the Palestinian people? Okay fair, enough but at least have the integrity and honesty to call what's going on what it is instead of being an apologist partisan hack. Ignoring the problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist lmao.

As far as things go with the Muslim representation in the Israeli parliament? I'll willing to admit I could do more research into the matter but honestly from what I see? A useless head pat gesture and a little more, they're actively pushing these people out of the region one building at a time.

squirrelz said:
It's the Hamas that fire their rockets from residental areas, using the civilians as human shield. And what is Israel supposed to do when getting fired at with hundreds of them? The only logical consequence is to neutralize those launch positions to prevent further attacks.
The Palestine region also gets humanitary aid from several countries, and it's not really a low budget. People there still are hungry, have low medicine accessibility and live in poverty. Looking at the recent arsenal the Hamas launched it's not hard to guess where that money went.

Palestine had more than enough chances to be peaceful, gain independence and benefit from diplomacy - they outright refuse it continously , so who is to blame here other than the Hamas?

Israel is also going above and beyond by sending advanced warning of each attack to the locations before the weapons are fired. What more could they have done?

You admit, Bandicoot, that you don't do research enough. You jump to namecalling without actually presenting evidence.

The Jews have the deeds to the land, not the Arabs. The Arabs admitted as such. Legally, the Jews are in the right.

monfang said:
Israel is also going above and beyond by sending advanced warning of each attack to the locations before the weapons are fired. What more could they have done?

You admit, Bandicoot, that you don't do research enough. You jump to namecalling without actually presenting evidence.

The Jews have the deeds to the land, not the Arabs. The Arabs admitted as such. Legally, the Jews are in the right.

...It's a bunch more complicated than "Jews are in the right, Arabs are in the wrong". The main issue is that Palestinians also have a historic and religious tie to Jerusalem. Like, more than a millennia of history. The Crusades was a contest between Christianity and Islam, not Christianity and Judaism. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire is when things got shaky.
If you are a citizen of the United States of America, it is pretty much like if the country's government fell, and suddenly Britain, Russia, France, and others said "Ok, THESE people need to live here" to families that had been there for centuries. If any of the handling of the Middle-East was done competently, the creation of Israel under those circumstances could be seen as done with the intention of causing conflict. I might have gotten mixed up on some details, so feel free to point them out.

As we are all adults who have learned about the horrors of WWII in school, there is not much reason to cover WHY Israel was established. There should be any comparison of motives between Palestine and Nazi Germany. It is not genocide-oriented, but for the sake of reclaiming what is kinda seen as stolen territory. Frankly, the establishment of Israel anywhere else besides the city containing one of the most holiest sites for Islam probably would have resulted in much less religious tension. To which I bring up the point of a previous comment I made, the Allies didn't handle the matters of the Middle-East nearly as well as they should.

grandpony said:
Well... At least he's honest?

I wish they were. I was a part of that nearly all my life now I just see both parties as a cult its gross

data said:
If you are a citizen of the United States of America, it is pretty much like if the country's government fell, and suddenly Britain, Russia, France, and others said "Ok, THESE people need to live here" to families that had been there for centuries.

That's entirely incorrect. The current Arabs living in the settlements can only claim to live there since 1948 when Jordan invaded. Again, the Arabs admitted as such. They didn't buy the land, they squatted after the Jews were forced out at gunpoint.

The only ones being effected are those who have prior owners returning. Its like... Four buildings last I read.

Historic claim doesn't work either. Arab claim can only go back to the 700s at the earliest but they sold their land to the Jews during the time of the Ottoman Empire. Legally gave it to the Jews.

Jews can claim ancestral ties to the land all fhe way to 1000 BC if not earlier.

There is no more legitimanf claim than the Jews over Israel and the surrounding land. Historial, Legal and Right of Conquest. It is Israel.

And to finish this off: Palestine doesn't exist. Never has existed. All claims to it existing are names other nations used. There is no historical people who referred to themselves as Palestines, everyone just called Israel Palestine.

monfang said:
Israel is also going above and beyond by sending advanced warning of each attack to the locations before the weapons are fired. What more could they have done?

You admit, Bandicoot, that you don't do research enough. You jump to namecalling without actually presenting evidence.

The Jews have the deeds to the land, not the Arabs. The Arabs admitted as such. Legally, the Jews are in the right.

Isreal is giving people like 1 hour tops to clear out of their homes before they completely destroy them leaving the prior tenants with no home to return to..sounds very rational. In regards to Palestinians using them as "human shields" and saying it's justifiable in that regard? Lmfao what sort of argument is that? So if there's a hostage situation in a school with a gunman is the police's response to just blow up the room with all the hostages?

The last point here I'd like to make is this, what I was admitting ignorance to was the ins and outs of how the Israeli governing body itself operates as opposed to the conflict at hand. You want evidence? Uh..pick your poison there have been numerous news outlets covering the situation that has unfolded, the most damning? How about the UN's condemnation of what's going on right now? The evidence exists and more of it continues to flood in by the day but you're choosing to ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist. Israel is committing war crimes and the civilian body count keeps going up and up by the day.

badbandicoot said:
Isreal is giving people like 1 hour tops to clear out of their homes before they completely destroy them leaving the prior tenants with no home to return to..sounds very rational. In regards to Palestinians using them as "human shields" and saying it's justifiable in that regard? Lmfao what sort of argument is that? So if there's a hostage situation in a school with a gunman is the police's response to just blow up the room with all the hostages?

The last point here I'd like to make is this, what I was admitting ignorance to was the ins and outs of how the Israeli governing body itself operates as opposed to the conflict at hand. You want evidence? Uh..pick your poison there have been numerous news outlets covering the situation that has unfolded, the most damning? How about the UN's condemnation of what's going on right now? The evidence exists and more of it continues to flood in by the day but you're choosing to ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist. Ireal is committing war crimes and the civilian body count keeps going up and up by the day.

Introducing politics to e6 was a VERY big mistake

blaze21 said:
Israel offered the Palestinians their own state with different variations on 5 separate occasions through out history. Palestine is not interested in any peaceful compromises as they do not believe Israel has any right to exist or any claims to the areas. Israel gave up the Gaza strip voluntarily with the hope that the Palestinians would use it to start their own state and from there coexistence and compromises could be reached. However, the Gaza strip has been used for military and terrorist operations and is the focal point from which they launch rockets into Israel at civilian cities and targets. In the words of the 1967 Arab summit, " NO PEACE WITH ISRAEL NO RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL NO NEGOITIOATIONS WITH ISRAEL" SOURCE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NytvQAIs0

They didn't give Gaza strip any more than apartheid South Africa give the black population Bantustans. The point of having a dedicated territory for them was to keep them out of the vast majority of the territory which used to be entirely theirs.

I thought that Israel funds enough military by themself that they no longer need military aid.

badbandicoot said:
If by "eaten alive" you mean to have fewer resources to violate international law and target civilians then yeah.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bS9wg612lz8

At least you can be gay in Israel without having your throat slit or be thrown off a building unlike in some of Israel's neighbors...

nironira said:
... it seems like my comment has been deleted. Hm...

Not deleted, just downvoted to oblivion (or at least below your account comment threshold limit)

bluemoonstruckwolf said:
I thought that Israel funds enough military by themself that they no longer need military aid.

y'know what they say, the more the better!

nironira said:
Well, if it wouldn't Israel would be eaten alive by its neighbors.

One word…

1948.

common happyroadkill W

i'm here just for the comments lol

any admin: CoMmEnTs Is LoCkEd

cant agree more.

user_12432 said:
How many resources does Israel spend on doing fictional things?

Israel must be REALLY bad at Ethnic Cleansing when Arab Muslims hold 15 seats in the Israeli Parliament.

Hitler's Nazi regime had some selective Jews in their ranks, especially the infamous "Honorary German Jew" of Hitler, a Jewish doctor who tried to cure Hitler's mom of her illness and Hitler spared his life put of respect to his kind gesture to his dying mom.

This is a false equivocation that by default, is a erroneous fallacy. Don't make sweeping judgement with a half blind reasoning skill. If anything, it's much preferable for people to question against Zionism more than anything. Zionists have self-exposed themselves to be about racial superiority, no different than Nazis. What's your defence for Zionism?

user_12432 said:
Israel must be REALLY bad at Ethnic Cleansing when Arab Muslims hold 15 seats in the Israeli Parliament.

Not sure how aware you are that Israel literally admitted to trying to cleanse blacks from their country before

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

Alright but let’s be honest. Isrealians aka Jews have been there before everyone else . Their religion , and territorial presence has been proven to be here BEFORE Christianism. AND MUSLIM. In fact. It is proven that Muslim and Christianism are BORN from the Jewish religion. Isrealians are Jewish people who have been standing on these lands longer than the Muslim religion or Christian religion even existed.

Yes. Times have changed.. Isrealians have done bad shit. But they are also the ones with the best anti terrorist special forces in the world.in history Palestinians didn’t deserve the aggro from Israel but back in the days it s the Muslims who went to war first with the Jews for no valuable reason except the will of conquering a ground they claimed to be their ‘promised land’ as an excuse not needed since all they wanted is expend territory to have goods. Except they always failed but even to this day Israel and Palestine has always been in conflict. Now. Jews had enough. So they decided to fight back. That’s how it is. Both Palestine and Israel did the wrong choices. But remember. Hate their leaders. Not the innocent lives in there , mothers , children’s , who never asked for this to happen. Okay?

mamadoudimamadou said:
Alright but let’s be honest. Isrealians aka Jews have been there before everyone else . Their religion , and territorial presence has been proven to be here BEFORE Christianism. AND MUSLIM. In fact. It is proven that Muslim and Christianism are BORN from the Jewish religion. Isrealians are Jewish people who have been standing on these lands longer than the Muslim religion or Christian religion even existed.

Yes. Times have changed.. Isrealians have done bad shit. But they are also the ones with the best anti terrorist special forces in the world.in history Palestinians didn’t deserve the aggro from Israel but back in the days it s the Muslims who went to war first with the Jews for no valuable reason except the will of conquering a ground they claimed to be their ‘promised land’ as an excuse not needed since all they wanted is expend territory to have goods. Except they always failed but even to this day Israel and Palestine has always been in conflict. Now. Jews had enough. So they decided to fight back. That’s how it is. Both Palestine and Israel did the wrong choices. But remember. Hate their leaders. Not the innocent lives in there , mothers , children’s , who never asked for this to happen. Okay?

How can Israel have the "best anti terrorist special forces" when Israel itself has done more terrorism than Hamas? Hell, Israel is even allowed to bomb OTHER countries around them "legally" for some reason and they ain't allowed to retaliate back? Bruh

well then. that donkey has rendered himself flip off worthy.

floofyhem said:
y'know what they say, the more the better!

you sound so hungry for death

what radicalised you into a warmonger?

user_12432 said:
How many resources does Israel spend on doing fictional things?

Israel must be REALLY bad at Ethnic Cleansing when Arab Muslims hold 15 seats in the Israeli Parliament.

over 25 percent of the population

less than 10 percent representation

some positively american numbers