I do like that the one person showing, for lack of better terms, sanity here is very low detail. Like their legitimate thoughts and concerns are being overshadowed by nothing other than "abrasive and forceful inclusion" (that is also exclusive, clearly)

Aye man, you’re just exposing the truth. It’s pretty cringe but it’s just how things are. I appreciate the approach, I’m sure a lot of others do as well

Gah. I feel bad for this Gardon now too. Imagine not being able to express worries and doubts with your close friends without them labeling you phobic because of it, and seemingly putting words in your mouth for their own agenda.

Also, 'it's cosmetic surgery'. Yikes.

I'll just state that most trans people don't get surgery (most can't afford it even if they wanted to) and that claiming that only people who have one are valid really sucks and is a transphobic & classist holdover of a cis-person-centric understanding of the experience most transgender people have. Not to say that no trans people have transmedicalist or reductive views.

Policing people's bodies, be they cisgender, transgender, intersex, etc. sucks. It's nobody else's business but ultimately yours. It's your body. While statistically most of the few people who do detransition after fully transitioning do so because of societal pressure and/or facing harassment, and most people that willingly and thoughtfully go into medical transition phases are generally happy with the results, the key words here are willingly and thoughtfully.

They even shared an intimate photo of their "friend" among themselves without their consent.

Wow.

Something tells me Gardon and that person showing hesitancy are the same. At least they have the save color pallet.

Ok, that purrloin needs to shut the #$$$ up right now and actually LISTEN to his friend's very valid concerns. Seriously, at this point they should kick him out of the chat room

I'm glad I've never personally met similar people in my life before, I feel like I would lose my shit some of the time...mostly if they tried forcing their beliefs onto me like they did Tini, and then encouraged incredibly horrid behavior to him and his pregnant wife and child.

Well at least Grimart is feeling the same as us, the readers, a little obvious since he is the writter of this lmao

I see this type of behavior often. One of the ways it manifests is "Ohh you are so girly and like men, you must be trans/female!" there is such thing as toxic positivity and I worry about people feeling pressured into certain self identities.

nyarlabrotep said:
Something tells me Gardon and that person showing hesitancy are the same. At least they have the save color pallet.

Or it could just be, ya know, a whole seperate Ralts.
There can be more than one type of Pokemon in a verse. Because if that wasn't Gardon, the Raltz would've said something like "HEY don't show that!" Especially since Pokemon don't DEvolve, which Gardon would have to be able to do if that was him in this anyways.

The biggest note and detail I like here is that, we the viewers don't get to see the image. It's not really great to share an image of someone's personal thing if they stated before they weren't comfortable with the aftermath. Should be out of respect to not do that.

So, these guardians of pure morality are thinking with their genitals. Interesting... And it's so inconsiderable to just reject their friend's Gardon experiences when he himself stated the facts.

what are the chances that person iz zen?

tuna123 said:
what are the chances that person iz zen?

Not everything is gonna be Zen. Other characters exist outside the named cast. (This was the same issue with everyone thinking Reth was possibly literally every female character in Addicted to the point it wasn't even speculation but ridiculous so let's not start that here too. Just because someone else opposes the sociopaths here doesn't mean it's possibly Zen, it could just be someone trans who's actually reasonable and, unlike the fetishists, actually know what they're getting into with surgery)
Plus, Zen would lose all of his braincells sitting in that chatroom.

tuna123 said:
what are the chances that person iz zen?

I MISS ZEN

Now, I have a Proposal.

I'm going to WANT to have these three toxic shit bags have their bottom Surgery. Let's see how Mr.'I-want-a-lesbian-to-suck-my-cock' deals with the pains of surgical castration.

Yes, I said Mr. Because while I respect Pronouns, being an asshole revokes that respect.

Sidenote: Their friend had a bottom surgery, and because they feel kinda shitty they are still Phobic?

What absolutely mentally retarded shit is this? How on Earth is ACTUAL GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY still Phobic?

kyubeans said:
Sidenote: Their friend had a bottom surgery, and because they feel kinda shitty they are still Phobic?

What absolutely mentally retarded shit is this? How on Earth is ACTUAL GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY still Phobic?

I think its a case of they don't want to accept that gender reassignment surgery doesn't work for everyone. I don't have much exposior to the trans community, most of it is people calling out people like that so take this with a block of salt, but I feel its either people are so convinced surgery is the only solution to their problems that they lash out when the hear that some people who get it end up feeling worse, or they see people saying they regret it as an attack to the movement, as it discourages others from committing to it. Again this is my theory on why the parts of the trans community I've seen often dismiss or on rare occasions straight up attack people who regret the surgery, and is not a blanket statement on the community as a whole.

jayfiregrowlithe said:
Not everything is gonna be Zen. Other characters exist outside the named cast. (This was the same issue with everyone thinking Reth was possibly literally every female character in Addicted to the point it wasn't even speculation but ridiculous so let's not start that here too. Just because someone else opposes the sociopaths here doesn't mean it's possibly Zen, it could just be someone trans who's actually reasonable and, unlike the fetishists, actually know what they're getting into with surgery)
Plus, Zen would lose all of his braincells sitting in that chatroom.

so in short, not likely
...
i miss zen too

tuna123 said:
so in short, not likely
...
i miss zen too

We all do tbh. The dude honestly deserves better for all he's done for TiNi.

tuna123 said:
so in short, not likely
...
i miss zen too

yet also i don't want to see him, not in this comic because things are going worse and worse. in another comic with a lighter heart? sure, but i don't think he deserves what may happen in this one

too_ez said:
Aye man, you’re just exposing the truth. It’s pretty cringe but it’s just how things are. I appreciate the approach, I’m sure a lot of others do as well

The vast majority of trans people aren't like this in real life, this comic is just building a bunch of strawmen as villains and everyone in the comments is acting like this is an actual problem. The vast majority of trans people are like the Kirlia-Avi, and understand you don't need surgery to be "committed" to being trans.

This story feels like its making a point about how you shouldn't let trauma and bad influences confuse you into thinking youre trans, which I don't think I should have to point out doesn't happen in real life.

Edit:

coyotecookies said:
I see this type of behavior often. One of the ways it manifests is "Ohh you are so girly and like men, you must be trans/female!" there is such thing as toxic positivity and I worry about people feeling pressured into certain self identities.

I have a hard time believing you see this type of rhetoric that often. The only times i've ever seen that sentiment are from teenagers who don't have a grasp of the nuances of identity and transition or from "Allies" who are trying way too hard to absolve themselves of self-inflicted guilt. In both cases, actual mature trans people rarely talk like this.

komoli said:
The vast majority of trans people aren't like this in real life, this comic is just building a bunch of strawmen as villains and everyone in the comments is acting like this is an actual problem. The vast majority of trans people are like the Kirlia-Avi, and understand you don't need surgery to be "committed" to being trans.

This story feels like its making a point about how you shouldn't let trauma and bad influences confuse you into thinking youre trans, which I don't think I should have to point out doesn't happen in real life.

Edit:
I have a hard time believing you see this type of rhetoric that often. The only times i've ever seen that sentiment are from teenagers who don't have a grasp of the nuances of identity and transition or from "Allies" who are trying way too hard to absolve themselves of self-inflicted guilt. In both cases, actual mature trans people rarely talk like this.

Was debating making a comment like this myself but thought better of it, yeah this basically. As a transfem person myself, I was hopeful this comic would break the mold of "morally grey comics about trans people" and not resort to stereotype upon stereotype, but I guess I should have known better. It's been very frustrating to see these characters written like they came out of the mid-2010s era of DiD YoU JuSt AsSuMe My GeNdEr cringe compilation nonsense. I appreciate the addition of the Ralts as a voice of reason, considering so far they're the only non-Tini character to act like the various other trans people I've met, but even then it still feels like thus far this comic just exists to confirm biases for people who already know what they want to think.

Also, while I'm trying to avoid replying too personally, I do have to address this one...

kyubeans said:
Now, I have a Proposal.

I'm going to WANT to have these three toxic shit bags have their bottom Surgery. Let's see how Mr.'I-want-a-lesbian-to-suck-my-cock' deals with the pains of surgical castration.

Yes, I said Mr. Because while I respect Pronouns, being an asshole revokes that respect.

Listen, I'm sure you feel like this is genuinely a good thing for us that helps us, and I completely understand why, but please please PLEASE refrain from using this kind of rhetoric in the future. It sounds helpful to weed out the "bad trans people," but in reality it just establishes the notion that you have to "earn" your identity, which in turn makes it a weapon to use against *any* person that somebody decides they dislike enough.

too_ez said:
Aye man, you’re just exposing the truth. It’s pretty cringe but it’s just how things are. I appreciate the approach, I’m sure a lot of others do as well

This isn't how the trans community acts in real life, so this isn't exposing any actual truth outside of the extreme minority and the fantasy world this particular comic takes place in.
It's only "how things are" because people hear the loudest, most obnoxious voices in any group, even of that voice is the only one.

I fucking hate the people in communities who force shit on others and then degrade others inside their community when the other person is clearly correct! It pisses me off, especially with people like the trio. There are trans people like them in the real world and it makes me feel gross to be one myself. To contrast that statement, representation of the more toxic parts of communities is important. I feel like grimart represented them well and although I don’t like the characters, they do add to the story.

see, THIS is an accurate representation of those toxic trans people. transmeds are super toxic people.

nightskyflyhigh said:
Was debating making a comment like this myself but thought better of it, yeah this basically. As a transfem person myself, I was hopeful this comic would break the mold of "morally grey comics about trans people" and not resort to stereotype upon stereotype, but I guess I should have known better. It's been very frustrating to see these characters written like they came out of the mid-2010s era of DiD YoU JuSt AsSuMe My GeNdEr cringe compilation nonsense. I appreciate the addition of the Ralts as a voice of reason, considering so far they're the only non-Tini character to act like the various other trans people I've met, but even then it still feels like thus far this comic just exists to confirm biases for people who already know what they want to think.

Also, while I'm trying to avoid replying too personally, I do have to address this one...

Listen, I'm sure you feel like this is genuinely a good thing for us that helps us, and I completely understand why, but please please PLEASE refrain from using this kind of rhetoric in the future. It sounds helpful to weed out the "bad trans people," but in reality it just establishes the notion that you have to "earn" your identity, which in turn makes it a weapon to use against *any* person that somebody decides they dislike enough.

I wanted to say something about this, lots of the fans seem to think this is a harsh reality of life but in my whole time in the trans community (about 5-8 years) this seems cartoonishly toxic and about the wrong focus (most toxicity like this I’ve seen is about how much disphoria you feel and if that makes you trans enough). Given there’s so few trans characters that are sane so far it makes me worried about what the end message will be.

arkantolas said:
see, THIS is an accurate representation of those toxic trans people. transmeds are super toxic people.

Lumping people's views into a "this or that" case is gonna get you conflicting shit like the Umbreon where you cannot lump them entirely into either or.
Also I've seen nobody who calls themselves "truscum" or whatever lingo that acts like the Umbreon like Grimart said on FA:

Grimart said:
Ironically, I've never seen an individual who is 'truscum' that also acts like this, as the Umbreon is. That doesn't mean such a person doesn't exist. However, only one of the three actually holds the idea that you need to have surgery in order to be considered trans... That character also has conflicting views (Why does the Umbreon say you need to transition, and then goes on to praise TiNi's 'girldick'?)

unless those people are the very few extremist bad apples. Taking those few apples and calling that "doing your research" is already a laughably flawed viewpoint that can apply to anything and it's logic that from what I've seen only applies to places like Tumblr, Twitter, and Reddit. Transmeds as a whole don't act like this nor do they believe you need surgery (unless it's again, a bad apple case), they just believe dysphoria is needed to get properly diagnosed. The people I've seen otherwise who don't believe that have said that you don't need it, while also bragging about lying to their doctors and professionals to get hormones and stuff. Which in my eyes is more serious and dangerous than a belief. If you don't need it, why feel the need to lie to your professionals about it rather than being honest, huh?

Personally I think people reading the comic should just call these characters what they actually are instead of forcing dumb modern internet lingo into it: They're just fetishists, through and through. Tho personally I'd prefer to call them sociopaths along with it, but that's just me.

Jeeze that was a lot of long comments to scroll past without reading so I can throw my opinion out.

If you are serious about doing surgery, or in a situation like Trini (it's real. It happened to me) please for the love of God DONT jump into anything. Make sure you really want this. Please. There is no going back from that.

Also dumbass bunny doesn't realize it's cosmetic.

I don't expect much of porn comics but wow I certainly wasn't expecting 2016 sjw era levels of stereotypes and propaganda. I was liking where this story was going before the weird ass trans shit too. Huge bummer.

komoli said:
The vast majority of trans people aren't like this in real life, this comic is just building a bunch of strawmen as villains and everyone in the comments is acting like this is an actual problem. The vast majority of trans people are like the Kirlia-Avi, and understand you don't need surgery to be "committed" to being trans.

This story feels like its making a point about how you shouldn't let trauma and bad influences confuse you into thinking youre trans, which I don't think I should have to point out doesn't happen in real life.

Edit:
I have a hard time believing you see this type of rhetoric that often. The only times i've ever seen that sentiment are from teenagers who don't have a grasp of the nuances of identity and transition or from "Allies" who are trying way too hard to absolve themselves of self-inflicted guilt. In both cases, actual mature trans people rarely talk like this.

“The vast majority of trans people aren't like this in real life”. I beg to differ, most trans individuals would want to support other individuals who are also feeling trans or might be curious about the topic instead of further discussing with that individual everything that comes with it. Nowadays people won’t tell you the pros and cons of being trans, only the pros. You can remain in disbelief or deny my statement but the doctors and other medical workers being fired or treated improperly for simply proposing other options (or simply talking about what cons you would not expect when trying to transition) is evidence. I am not stating that all trans people act like this, it is simply what has been happening in recent times from what I’ve seen. I have two trans friends who have gone through similar experiences, like this panel, you cannot deny it exists.