Amon looks so excited and happy, it's adorable. >~<

My 1000th tagged post here! Pog

Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

Eyyy they're using protection, bassel with more wisdom over here

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

I've asked literally every one of my transgender friends and none of them are sure. Most of them are some manner of 'likes both male and female forms enough not to care' though.

Ok I may be reading into this to much. But my moneys on it breaks and the chapter ends on a "Oh shit-" moment.

It's definitely gay. It's two dudes fucking, one just has a pussy.

daedius said:
Probably for the andromorph it's gay, but to amon it's straight?

/shrug

Also they're not an andromorph, they're trans.

daedius said:
Probably for the andromorph it's gay, but to amon it's straight?

/shrug

Bassel isn't an Andromorph. He's a Trans guy.

I absolutely love this comic!

For those asking if this is straight or not, remember back in the first comic Amon couldn't get it up with the female groupie.

I'm not saying Amon is gay, but maybe he likes more male oriented people.

This is just me spitballing though! All that really matters is they're both happy and enjoying themselves <3

maroc said:
For those asking if this is straight or not, remember back in the first comic Amon couldn't get it up with the female groupie.

I'm not saying Amon is gay, but maybe he likes more male oriented people.

This is just me spitballing though! All that really matters is they're both happy and enjoying themselves <3

That doesn't quite hold up when considering Kyra. She's still majority physically Female but with a Penis. If Amon is attracted to Males, most of Kyra shouldve been unappealing. Also wasn't that yellow snake girl also pretty flat chested? I would've chalked that failed encounter up to just straight inexperience and performance anxiety.

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

gay. homosexual refers to what gender you're sexually attracted to, not the genitals your sexual partners have.

theinspiration3 said:
Ok I may be reading into this to much. But my moneys on it breaks and the chapter ends on a "Oh shit-" moment.

But that's just a theory... A YIFF THEORY! Thanks for reading.

amon has ..... a really nice penis.......... look at the curvature,,,,,........

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

Yeah I'm gonna say gay, the identity of the person He's doing it with is male, which means they're having gay sex, if he were to identify differently it would be a different case, however

forgotton said:
That’s blatantly wrong no. Homosexual means you’re attracted to Genetic Males. If your into trans male that’s completely different than homosexual.

Stop making a fool out of yourself.

I love amon's adorable face in the third panel

Bruh, why y'all arguing in the comments of a porn site? Jerk it or find another post.

biolumina said:
Also they're not an andromorph, they're trans.

Is there a distinction in this case? My understanding is that the andromorph tag is a body-type descriptor (i.e. typically male body w/ typically female genitals), not an identity. Hence post-top surgery trans male characters are typically andromorphs, but not all andromorphs are necessarily trans males, in the same sense that Kyra isn't trans.
Yes I'm aware of the Skylar Zero grey area, I think tertiary characteristics and author intention should be considered in such cases.

sorenxoras said:
I've asked literally every one of my transgender friends and none of them are sure. Most of them are some manner of 'likes both male and female forms enough not to care' though.

Trans woman here:
What's going on is gay as fuck

atrolux said:
My 1000th tagged post here! Pog

post #2255284

sprinklestheimpaler said:
I was going to ask this big question when they fully engaged if it was gay or not. Honestly not sure why you are getting downvoted. You are right about homosexuality and not sure why people are now trying to change what the definition is.

(The downvotes might be because the 'blatantly wrong' wording might come over as a bit combative.)
but here for my take on this:

DEFINITION:
Let us call our reference point A [or 'party A(mon) or whatever].
We are looking into if, from their point of view, they are having gay or straight sex.
(For simplicity, let us not assume if both parties must have the same answer for that question)

ASSUMPTION:
One themselves is aware what kind of sex one is having.

theroretical EXAMPLE: (not the one in the comic, but just to illustrate a point here)
A is having sex with a genetic female that identifies as male, which A is not aware of.
A must think it is straight sex then.
So it can not be dependant on information that is unavailable to them.
...
Spinning that thought further (as I type this, actually),
if a male is getting a BJ through a glory hole (and does not know who/what their partner is and/or identifies at),
then he is having neither straight nor gay sex but is just having.. 'definable' sex?

(preliminary) CONCLUSION:
The kind of sex you are having is what the experience is to you.

So from a male perspective (body and identity):
'I am having sex with this female body'* - probably straight sex
'I am having sex with this male identifying character'* - probably gay sex
'I am having sex with this female pussy and the male upper body does not bother me'* - probably still straight sex
'I am having sex with this female pussy and I find the male upper body sexually attractive too'* - probably bisexual
*(where body/identity is not mentioned, assume that it is not important for the reference point person.)

So I would propose as answer that you can have gay, straight or bi sex or just sex that is none of these.

So for Amon: can be any of gay, straight or bi.
I he could be into the female genitals, the male upper body, the male identity or any combination of these.
I'd say he is having sex with whatever he thinks of he's fucking. Not enough information given what he is turning him on here.
I'd assume the whole body and the person inside. That'd be bi then.

please excuse if I am being insensitive anywhere with this.
I have no reports to base this on and am just trying to piece together what seems conclusive.
Do give your thoughts though, please!
I find this question a really interesting thought! (If you disagree, please be specific with what part. I say that there are details in the scenario athat are important)

biolumina said:
Also they're not an andromorph, they're trans.

Daedius might have refered to the tag definition here:
"andromorph:
..
An intersex character with a masculine body type, a pussy instead of a penis, and no breasts. "

If this was correctly marked, then it should be ok to use the term?

Can someone confirm if you can be trans and andromorph or if you can be both simultaneously?

as someone who is trans, it really is annoying seeing non trans folk refuse to understand basic respect towards trans people

rider995 said:
That would apply if Bassel was intersex. He's not. He's biologically female. It's "straight" sex.

again, no its not. bassel did not go through top surgery and his transitioning to be called a woman

rider995 said:
Trans-activists tend to ignore biology.

sex and gender identity are two different things. Please understand simple biology

also the fact that the creator themselves are clearly stating bassel is a trans man and yall seem to not respect that is concerning . if you treat fictional trans people like this, i cant imagine how yall treat real trans people

Came for the art, stayed for the comments.

azero said:
Came for the art, stayed for the comments.

Should be the motto for e621 at this point

bitemark said:
Should be the motto for e621 at this point

When do we add the lol comments tag?

So for Amon: can be any of gay, straight or bi.
I he could be into the female genitals, the male upper body, the male identity or any combination of these.
I'd say he is having sex with whatever he thinks of he's fucking. Not enough information given what he is turning him on here.
I'd assume the whole body and the person inside. That'd be bi then.

The only thought I have is the option that A having sex with a person because they are who they are regardless of body is probably pan.

octaviauwu said:
sex and gender identity are two different things. Please understand simple biology

Exactly my point though? Bassel is trans GENDER not INTERSEX.

His biological body is still that of a woman. Just because he identifies as a man, does not mean his body is also that of a man. Sex and gender expression are different things. Claiming that because he's transgender he's also intersex is just ignoring basic fucking science.

travelingfox said:

So for Amon: can be any of gay, straight or bi.
I he could be into the female genitals, the male upper body, the male identity or any combination of these.
I'd say he is having sex with whatever he thinks of he's fucking. Not enough information given what he is turning him on here.
I'd assume the whole body and the person inside. That'd be bi then.

The only thought I have is the option that A having sex with a person because they are who they are regardless of body is probably pan.

You're right! I forgot that that is an option.
Thanks for the reminder. :)

I tried to do some basic research just now, but I do not quite grasp where bi and pan end/start.
Is that a fuzzy or contested line or is there a clear definition that I am not aware of?
If anyone feels like doing more explaining, I'd like to know.

rider995 said:
Exactly my point though? Bassel is trans GENDER not INTERSEX.

His biological body is still that of a woman. Just because he identifies as a man, does not mean his body is also that of a man. Sex and gender expression are different things. Claiming that because he's transgender he's also intersex is just ignoring basic fucking science.

Genetics is not all that constitutes a body.*

I would like to draw your attention to the two green lines on Basel's chest below the nipples, probably best visible on page 16, 2 pages ago, as well as their intoduction page.
The pictures are tagged as 'mastectomy scar', so those are probably breast removal operation scars.

• There is the Genotype, the Phenotype and if you want to point them out individually: Surgical modifications.

I take it that some work went into this body,
and even though it is beyond (our current) medicine's capacity to change the genotype from XX to XY,
there are certainly ways to change the overall body from female to male or the other way around.

So unless people are specifically talking about a genetic female being a genetic male, you might be talking about something else entirely than your readers.

..also, your agressive tone is probably what earns you your most downvotes at this point so try to keep your temper if your intention is for people to listen to you. Just a thought. :/

Wow, the drama lol.

I created Bassel. Only I decide what he is. Bassel is a male :)

atrolux said:
Wow, the drama lol.

I created Bassel. Only I decide what he is. Bassel is a male :)

Welp, there is that solved!
The Creator has spoken. :D

I Have...This feeling that Condom is gonna break in a Few panels.. haha.. Ohh boy..

rider995 said:
Trans-activists tend to ignore biology.

you have no idea of what you're talking about. i would explain but that would be a waste of energy. you don't seem to have the proper education to understand health and well being.

rider995 said:
Then I will ask you directly. Was Bassel female at birth?

Is Bassel transGENDER or interSEX?

bassel is transgender. he was assigned female at birth.
intersex refers to someone by their physical qualities, not gender identity.

from the wiki
intersex: "This tag is appropriate for a character who is neither strictly male nor strictly female but exhibits apparent body features of both."

transgender: "characters who are canonically deemed to be or identify as male despite being assigned a different gender at (in-universe) birth by their creator or owner, regardless of the physical or biological sex they are depicted as in the post."

bitemark said:
Should be the motto for e621 at this point

yeah that's why i'm still here. sometimes the comments are gold.

sinfulsea said:
But that's just a theory... A YIFF THEORY! Thanks for reading.

Sir, or ma'am, i fucking love you. I look forward to seeing more collabs together.

gunner_24 said:
bassel is transgender. he was assigned female at birth.
intersex refers to someone by their physical qualities, not gender identity.

from the wiki
intersex: "This tag is appropriate for a character who is neither strictly male nor strictly female but exhibits apparent body features of both."

transgender: "characters who are canonically deemed to be or identify as male despite being assigned a different gender at (in-universe) birth by their creator or owner, regardless of the physical or biological sex they are depicted as in the post."

Yes I'm aware which is why I brought it up. Bassel is female-to-male transgender according to the artist. And was therefore born female. His gender is male (hence the "he" pronoun) but his body is still that of a female because that's something innate about him that cannot be changed. No matter how much surgery/drugs/hormones someone takes you cannot change biological sex. The whole conversation came about because of this:

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

And sexuality refers to attraction based on biology, not gender expression. Therefor it's "straight" sex as even though Bassel's gender identity is male, he's still biologically a woman.

Gender identity and biological sex are not the same thing.

daedius said:
Eh, I take their reasoning with a grain of salt when they make up new nonsensical pronouns just to feel that little bit more special that you so frequently see on TikTok and such. :V

those pronouns have a meaning. keep in mind all words mean something and had to be made up at some point. is not as if they were created by god or something like that. theres many languages and god certainly didn't create esperanto

here's a list of those pronouns, though i don't know if its up to date or not

rider995 said:
Gender identity and biological sex are not the same thing.

exactly. that's why it depends on you whether this is gay sex or not.

as pustefix pointed out

The kind of sex you are having is what the experience is to you

octaviauwu said:
also the fact that the creator themselves are clearly stating bassel is a trans man and yall seem to not respect that is concerning . if you treat fictional trans people like this, i cant imagine how yall treat real trans people

I treat them however they want to identify as. But if a trans female gets prostate cancer it’s pretty clear it’s a genetic male. That you can’t change no matter what. Unless you go some time Machine and a doctorate in biology your kinda fucked.

rider995 said:
Exactly my point though? Bassel is trans GENDER not INTERSEX.

His biological body is still that of a woman. Just because he identifies as a man, does not mean his body is also that of a man. Sex and gender expression are different things. Claiming that because he's transgender he's also intersex is just ignoring basic fucking science.

Yes People oftentimes Forgo science all together for personal beliefs. I don’t like nuclear energy because my economy depends on coal and oil. But that doesn’t subtract from the fact The nuclear energy is just factually better than oil and coal.

I worry about when unintelligent transgendered people go to the doctor, because at that point when they fill out a sheet they may put their sex as whatever they identify as instead of their genetic biological sex. This can cause quite a few problems because certain underlying conditions affect different sexes differently a common form would be prostate cancer or breast cancer.

I do hope people differentiate the difference between sex and gender, one you can change one you cannot.
I find that it’s this fact that pisses people off the fact they can’t do anything about it the fact that they will never change genetically who they really are.

Kind of liked the fact that homosexuality is a fault in the brain of which I suffer from. Society as of late has accepted this condition is it doesn’t harm many people.

Live and let live is what I go by. But never mistake factual evidence and science.

PS, sorry for shit grammar using Voice text because I’m too lazy to type have a good day and a wonderful life.

gunner_24 said:
bassel is transgender. he was assigned female at birth.
intersex refers to someone by their physical qualities, not gender identity.

from the wiki
intersex: "This tag is appropriate for a character who is neither strictly male nor strictly female but exhibits apparent body features of both."

transgender: "characters who are canonically deemed to be or identify as male despite being assigned a different gender at (in-universe) birth by their creator or owner, regardless of the physical or biological sex they are depicted as in the post."

Don’t know how to delete comments just going to re edit them until the creator of said art responds to my one unedited post pertaining to them

atrolux said:
Stop making a fool out of yourself.

I enjoy your stuff quite a bit, but I just wanna know. You say bassel is male? Right? Was he male at birth orrrrr is he a shapeshifter or is his dick inside of him like I wanna know. Is he genetically male, female or a herm. Wanna know from the creator to get a solid actual answer. Instead of the whining and bullshit in the comments.

Note- I don’t have anything against trans people, live and let live. Just have a hobby in biology and the social constructs surrounding such.

sorenxoras said:
I've asked literally every one of my transgender friends and none of them are sure. Most of them are some manner of 'likes both male and female forms enough not to care' though.

Ah it’s where my thoughts are, like I couldn’t give a fuck what you identify as, ill call you hibaby the 8th one if you want. If it’s a person who wanted to mingle then I’m down. Whether it’s a male, female, herm, other I couldn’t care less. It’s more along the line, as long as your sentient and have free will and is legal then sure why not.

cg295 said:
Bassel is a male, end of story

So it’s a genetic male who lopped of his cock to become a female and has regretted it and now wants to become male again?

Or

A genetic female who’s transitioning into a male through cosmetic and hormonal procedures?

Which one? because saying it’s a “male” when I see pussy is just confusing and doesn’t make a lick of sense. Unless there’s a pronoun for that hermaphrodite transitioning into male?

Tho I’m just waiting on the creators response.

rider995 said:
Sorry mate, but he's right.

Homosexuality: a person who is sexually attracted to people of their own sex. Bassel is trans gender, I get that, doesn't mean he's not genetically FEMALE. You cannot change your biology, no matter how many dicks/tits get chopped off or how much extra hormones someone takes.

And even you understood this when you drew this page hence Bassel reaching for the condom. Why else add it, if not to show that pregnancy is still a risk here? You can't go around changing definitions on a whim. This is 100% "straight" sex as Bassel is biologically female and Amon is biologically male. You want to separate "gender" and "sex" fine, but for fucks sake be consistent.

Right the actual definition of Homosexuality ripped straight from Oxford dictionary “ the quality or characteristic of being sexually attracted solely to people of one's own sex.”

And in that note

The definition of (Sex) ripped straight from oxford dictionary “either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.”

Hard to argue against this unless people are legitimately trying to argue the dictionary and science altogether.

atrolux said:
Wow, the drama lol.

I created Bassel. Only I decide what he is. Bassel is a male :)

Told y'all

gunner_24 said:
those pronouns have a meaning. keep in mind all words mean something and had to be made up at some point. is not as if they were created by god or something like that. theres many languages and god certainly didn't create esperanto

here's a list of those pronouns, though i don't know if its up to date or not

Yeah... good luck trying to get me to refer to someone as xim/xer, ze/zir, em/eir, demon(!), and every other thing people randomly decide to refer to themselves. I'll just use the universal 'they'.

forgotton said:
Right the actual definition of Homosexuality ripped straight from Oxford dictionary “ the quality or characteristic of being sexually attracted solely to people of one's own sex.”

And in that note

The definition of (Sex) ripped straight from oxford dictionary “either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.”

Hard to argue against this unless people are legitimately trying to argue the dictionary and science altogether.

You're literally trying to find loopholes to prove your point. Definitions change overtime

forgotton said:
Don’t know how to delete comments just going to re edit them until the creator of said art responds to my one unedited post pertaining to them

you can't delete them but you can hide them. only admins can read hidden messages.

daedius said:
Yeah... good luck trying to get me to refer to someone as xim/xer, ze/zir, em/eir, demon(!), and every other thing people randomly decide to refer to themselves. I'll just use the universal 'they'.

Zir lmao reminds me of Destroy all Humans

gunner_24 said:
you can't delete them but you can hide them. only admins can read hidden messages.

Ah good shit man thanks.

octaviauwu said:
You're literally trying to find loopholes to prove your point. Definitions change overtime

It’s not a loop hole if it’s just legitimately just a source.
And sure definitions change over time, but until it’s officially changed and recognized as such by the majority of the population you can’t expect word definitions to change based off your own personal beliefs.

The world is round and that is fact.
Yet people still believe it’s flat, do you expect the world to change factual evidence to humble a bunch of loons?

octaviauwu said:
Told y'all

So a genetic male with a pussy. Ok so it’s gay sex then.

it's not a party until the cissies whip out the dictionary

null-fury said:
it's not a party until the cissies whip out the dictionary

Fr

forgotton said:
So a genetic male with a pussy. Ok so it’s gay sex then.

A man born with a pussy, yes, it's gay sex.

gunner_24 said:
yeah that's why i'm still here. sometimes the comments are gold.

Maybe the real gold was the friends we made along the way.

octaviauwu said:
A man born with a pussy, yes, it's gay sex.

born with a pussy then no it's straight. you can't argue with science lmao.

octaviauwu said:
A man born with a pussy, yes, it's gay sex.

born with a pussy then no it's straight. you can't argue with science lmao.

octaviauwu said:
Fr

I can no longer trust your grasp on reality. you obviously tend to prefer personal belif over factual science. your practically a flat eather.

bro fr why do people care so much about stds

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

The day in which you stop caring wherever it’s straight or gay and follow what your heart (and genitals) feel is the day in which you will be set free.

Oh, and as a transfem… it’s gay. Man vs Man. Homosexual. Boom, done.

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

It would be more than a little invalidating to say it's straight because it means you don't see him as a guy. So gay.

Safety is sexy!
Safe sex is sexy sex.

forgotton said:
Sorry your linguistically retarded.

not sorry you're* permabanned

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

Yes.

There's this huge comment back and forth on this post which asks about if this is gay or straight sex... And not one person has yet brought up the fact that they're using a condom... Which is all too rare on this site.

Lol they have a puss and they require protection so I assume that they can also give birth. So let’s just tag what we SEE right? If we were to do that, this is clearly straight, it doesn’t matter what gender they may identify as, that’s just how the tagging works so hopefully the artist can fix this please.

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

It's gay. It's like pemdas, if one of the persons involved is any of the letters from LGBTQ+ then the sex is gay.

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

Fuck it I know I'm gonna get downvoted for this. Concerning gender, it's gay. Concerning sex, it's straight since Bassel is a trans-man, which means they were born as a female. As far as I'm aware, gender is a state of mind, while sex is determined by your chromosomes.

forgotton said:
Right the actual definition of Homosexuality ripped straight from Oxford dictionary “ the quality or characteristic of being sexually attracted solely to people of one's own sex.”

And in that note

The definition of (Sex) ripped straight from oxford dictionary “either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.”

Hard to argue against this unless people are legitimately trying to argue the dictionary and science altogether.

Man nothing kills a boner like transphobia.

I am leaving this comment despite this convo being a bit old and this user being perma banned for being a troll but I will for the people who read this and are either genuinely curious and want to learn and grow and for the people who were fighting against these trolls with well intentioned but flawed arguments. First of all whipping out the oxford definition is a hack appeal to a false authority, and it proves nothing. Anyone can cherry pick a source that will agree with their already existing beliefs. To prove a point I will do that here. A-hem Wikipedia definition of Homosexuality (which cites 3 scientific papers for this quote including the American Psychological Association) "Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender." Dictionary.com definition " sexually attracted to people of one's own sex or gender; gay" etc. Homosexuality is widely defined by the vast majority of the scientific world to include both gender and sex, and to deny this is to deny the fact the definitions and words evolve. The idea of sex and gender being different is a relatively new one in western sociology and old hat institutions like Oxford are slow to change with scientific consensus. The people who write the definitions for dictionaries are not experts in the subjects they are defining and their ability to understand complex topics like gender and sex are often limited due to their lack of expertise. if you did a cursory look at scientific literature on the subject you would realize quickly that you dictionary definition flashing is a facile argument at best. Secondly your understanding of transgenderism is highly lacking as to be transgender you do not have to be going against your "biological sex" simply the gender that you were assigned at birth based on your external gentles. You can be both female to male transgender and intersex. Very few people in their lives have their genetics sequenced to see what their chromosomes are and "prove" if they are really "biologically female" it is highly likely that the number of people with intersex chromosomal mutations is vastly understated for this reason as many intersex traits are not visible directly after birth when gender is typically socially assigned. So it is impossible for you to know if this fictional character is "biologically female" only that he is female to male transgender. And because of these reasons while one might personally consider their sex and gender to be different they are both things that exist on a spectrum and are largely socially constructed and performative as the sociological and biological definitions of sex are often different. Sociologically sex is based on the genitals you develop in the womb, but biologically the only thing that determines your sex is your gametes. Because of the fact that the genital definition of sex is socially constructed in the same way as gender, a transgender or intersex person does not have a "male body" or "female body" these things do not exist. Sex is simply the gametes that someone has that tells their body what parts to make; it's a set of blueprints. The only thing that is, at this stage in science, immutable is your chromosomes, the actual genitals that present after conception do not always match up with those chromosomes which is one of the ways in which someone can be intersex, when the presentation of your sexual characteristics do not match up with the instructions (your true sex) that are coded into your genes. The other way is if you have a chromosomal mutation where you are neither male or female based on your genetic code. And what if we did find a way to edit someone's genes after birth? What then? would you change your mind? Would the whole house of cards fall down? or would you move the goal posts? Because we are already making advancements in the technology of gene editing and if someone were to edit the genetic code of a fertilized egg after conception would it not be gay to have sex with them if they were the same sex as you because their sex assigned at conception was different? Obviously people like this don't actually give a damn about genetics. It's veiled justification for transphobia that ignores the real science and nothing more.

The act of having sex with someone you know to be male as a male is homosexual regardless of their assigned gender at birth or their chromosomes because the definition of homosexuality that the vast majority of actual authorities on the subject (not the people who write the dictionaries) use includes same gender attraction. And even if it was only about sex, at best the sexual orientation of this interaction would be ambiguous as would 99.99% of all sexual encounters because almost no one knows the gametes of their sexual partners. Using pseudoscience to justify bigotry is cowardly, if you are grossed out by us transgender people at least have the courage to go mask off as a bigoted troll instead of hiding behind paper thin smoke screens to give yourself a sense of legitimacy and intellectualism to those who are ignorant to the truth.

atrolux said:
My 1000th tagged post here! Pog

Bread 👍

sorenxoras said:
I've asked literally every one of my transgender friends and none of them are sure. Most of them are some manner of 'likes both male and female forms enough not to care' though.

It’s a girl and a guy so it’s straight

As a gay person I have to say that this is bi/pan even tho they identify as male, for me I think sexualities are based on gender and sex, if you're a homosexual you like a male body and a penis, if you're a heterosexual a female body and a vajayjay so you would either have to be Bi or Pan which Amon seems to be since he likes a woman(last panel) and a man(bassel) it's just as simple as that, at least for me :p

Also is no one going to talk about the safe sex on my raw e621 smh smh truly disgusting /j

don'tdo_drugs_kids said:
Amon looks so excited and happy, it's adorable. >~<

The way this artist draws faces just makes an excited expression look so adorable

octaviauwu said:
as someone who is trans, it really is annoying seeing non trans folk refuse to understand basic respect towards trans people

I'm sorry I started this whole debacle. It was a genuine question I wished to be answered.

rider995 said:
Yes I'm aware which is why I brought it up. Bassel is female-to-male transgender according to the artist. And was therefore born female. His gender is male (hence the "he" pronoun) but his body is still that of a female because that's something innate about him that cannot be changed. No matter how much surgery/drugs/hormones someone takes you cannot change biological sex. The whole conversation came about because of this:

And sexuality refers to attraction based on biology, not gender expression. Therefor it's "straight" sex as even though Bassel's gender identity is male, he's still biologically a woman.

Gender identity and biological sex are not the same thing.

I'm sorry.....

forgotton said:
That’s blatantly wrong no. Homosexual means you’re attracted to Genetic Males. If your into trans male that’s completely different than homosexual.

Homosexual, contrary to popular belief, does not strictly refer to male / male. Lesbians are also included in that category, too.

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

Gay, very much so gay. Trans men are, in fact, as much of a man as cis men. Pussy or not, doesn't matter

rider995 said:
Sorry mate, but he's right.

Homosexuality: a person who is sexually attracted to people of their own sex. Bassel is trans gender, I get that, doesn't mean he's not genetically FEMALE. You cannot change your biology, no matter how many dicks/tits get chopped off or how much extra hormones someone takes.

And even you understood this when you drew this page hence Bassel reaching for the condom. Why else add it, if not to show that pregnancy is still a risk here? You can't go around changing definitions on a whim. This is 100% "straight" sex as Bassel is biologically female and Amon is biologically male. You want to separate "gender" and "sex" fine, but for fucks sake be consistent.

Bassel's sex may be female, but his gender is male dude lol

derangeder said:
Does this count as gay or straight sex? Asking for a friend...

it's hot, next question

sorenxoras said:
I've asked literally every one of my transgender friends and none of them are sure. Most of them are some manner of 'likes both male and female forms enough not to care' though.

Trans woman here. I have a cis bf, so it's straight. And it's a guy and a guy, one of the guys might not have the genitals associated with men, but it be two doods, so yeah, you're gay *plays enter sandman*

Bassel made me realize I'm into trans men

(I used to think it wasn't something I'd be into, but now I have acquired a new interest)

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS COMIC

rider995 said:
Yes I'm aware which is why I brought it up. Bassel is female-to-male transgender according to the artist. And was therefore born female. His gender is male (hence the "he" pronoun) but his body is still that of a female because that's something innate about him that cannot be changed. No matter how much surgery/drugs/hormones someone takes you cannot change biological sex. The whole conversation came about because of this:

And sexuality refers to attraction based on biology, not gender expression. Therefor it's "straight" sex as even though Bassel's gender identity is male, he's still biologically a woman.

Gender identity and biological sex are not the same thing.

Omfg sexuality is based on physical characteristics which may or may not coincide with biologically innate characteristics someone was born with but presents nonetheless Bassel identifies and presents masculinity making the sex gay presuming amon also presents and identifies as a man
Gender is not innate and is what matters for determining sexuality not sex of which sexual characteristics happen to not be innate either as intersex people exist as well plenty of people are born with feminine traits despite being of the male sex and vice versa though your gender identity is separate despite typically falling in line with your sex.

Sexual attraction is not based in biology but in physiologicaland social charctaristics we view as desirable and sexy in a colloquial sense if someone was attracted to bassel and they are heavily presenting masculine, and say the person doesn't know they're Trans male, we can observe that person has a preference towards masculine traits and is therefore sexually attracted to 'maleness' if this person was male of course would imply they are gay and for a woman would be a straight sexual attraction.

For sake of brevity if you asked a 100% gay dude if they wanted to fuck a Trans woman they would say no
Gay people are ssxualy attracted to masculine features and mannerisms not solely dicks because despite what porn may project not everything is about your sex organ.

Amon as described so far is sexually into maternal figures and his sexuality is quite posibly pansexual from information gathered so far as he's attracted to a wide variety of people.

It's possible he is only sexually interested with people he already has an emotional bind with too regardless of charactaristics of the other as well.

This doesn't change the fact that amon is probably not gay but is currently in this panel having some of the gayest sex. Cope. Seethe. mald.

And considering your comment is quite old I hope you've learned better.

gay
/ɡā/
adjective
1.
sexually or romantically attracted exclusively to people of one's own sex or gender (used especially of a man).

Gonna put this here since some people can't understand that sexual attraction refers to attraction to eother biological sex or gender

It's possible to be gay and only attracted to other biological males or be gay and attracted to men the gender which conforms to typically masculine prese ting individuals.

After losing my mood reading ALL of these comments, I've come up with the idea that we as a society should just separate the meanings between the words "Male/Female" and "Man/Woman". One group should describe biological Sex, the other Gender Identity.

Just make everyone happy. Or at least content.

Again, comments finding out that trans people Exist

ralsei_fan said:
Man nothing kills a boner like transphobia.

I am leaving this comment despite this convo being a bit old and this user being perma banned for being a troll but I will for the people who read this and are either genuinely curious and want to learn and grow and for the people who were fighting against these trolls with well intentioned but flawed arguments. First of all whipping out the oxford definition is a hack appeal to a false authority, and it proves nothing. Anyone can cherry pick a source that will agree with their already existing beliefs. To prove a point I will do that here. A-hem Wikipedia definition of Homosexuality (which cites 3 scientific papers for this quote including the American Psychological Association) "Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender." Dictionary.com definition " sexually attracted to people of one's own sex or gender; gay" etc. Homosexuality is widely defined by the vast majority of the scientific world to include both gender and sex, and to deny this is to deny the fact the definitions and words evolve. The idea of sex and gender being different is a relatively new one in western sociology and old hat institutions like Oxford are slow to change with scientific consensus. The people who write the definitions for dictionaries are not experts in the subjects they are defining and their ability to understand complex topics like gender and sex are often limited due to their lack of expertise. if you did a cursory look at scientific literature on the subject you would realize quickly that you dictionary definition flashing is a facile argument at best. Secondly your understanding of transgenderism is highly lacking as to be transgender you do not have to be going against your "biological sex" simply the gender that you were assigned at birth based on your external gentles. You can be both female to male transgender and intersex. Very few people in their lives have their genetics sequenced to see what their chromosomes are and "prove" if they are really "biologically female" it is highly likely that the number of people with intersex chromosomal mutations is vastly understated for this reason as many intersex traits are not visible directly after birth when gender is typically socially assigned. So it is impossible for you to know if this fictional character is "biologically female" only that he is female to male transgender. And because of these reasons while one might personally consider their sex and gender to be different they are both things that exist on a spectrum and are largely socially constructed and performative as the sociological and biological definitions of sex are often different. Sociologically sex is based on the genitals you develop in the womb, but biologically the only thing that determines your sex is your gametes. Because of the fact that the genital definition of sex is socially constructed in the same way as gender, a transgender or intersex person does not have a "male body" or "female body" these things do not exist. Sex is simply the gametes that someone has that tells their body what parts to make; it's a set of blueprints. The only thing that is, at this stage in science, immutable is your chromosomes, the actual genitals that present after conception do not always match up with those chromosomes which is one of the ways in which someone can be intersex, when the presentation of your sexual characteristics do not match up with the instructions (your true sex) that are coded into your genes. The other way is if you have a chromosomal mutation where you are neither male or female based on your genetic code. And what if we did find a way to edit someone's genes after birth? What then? would you change your mind? Would the whole house of cards fall down? or would you move the goal posts? Because we are already making advancements in the technology of gene editing and if someone were to edit the genetic code of a fertilized egg after conception would it not be gay to have sex with them if they were the same sex as you because their sex assigned at conception was different? Obviously people like this don't actually give a damn about genetics. It's veiled justification for transphobia that ignores the real science and nothing more.

The act of having sex with someone you know to be male as a male is homosexual regardless of their assigned gender at birth or their chromosomes because the definition of homosexuality that the vast majority of actual authorities on the subject (not the people who write the dictionaries) use includes same gender attraction. And even if it was only about sex, at best the sexual orientation of this interaction would be ambiguous as would 99.99% of all sexual encounters because almost no one knows the gametes of their sexual partners. Using pseudoscience to justify bigotry is cowardly, if you are grossed out by us transgender people at least have the courage to go mask off as a bigoted troll instead of hiding behind paper thin smoke screens to give yourself a sense of legitimacy and intellectualism to those who are ignorant to the truth.

I think the true is objective
-you: "NO IS NOT"