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Interesting choice to make this universe have males and females be statistically different, when in every case of canon, it's actually an exception for very few species.

This reminds me to that South Park episode lmao

Whose Corrosion is it Tini's or the social reality.

jesus a chat like that is as bad as doom scrolling through twitter

benjiboyo said:
Interesting choice to make this universe have males and females be statistically different, when in every case of canon, it's actually an exception for very few species.

Yeah. Like you telling me a Nidoking would be denied fighting a female Onyx? Even with individuals in the same weight class some Pokemon are just objectively better than others -- be it type advantage, spread, move pool, or whatever.

I think it would have made more sense to say that he was denied for being a Nidoking.
But then that begs the question why there are gender-specific rings in the first place...

im just here to read the comments on comments on-

honestly this comic is fascinating. on one hand, it's deliberately echoing our real life hot topic social issues, supplying us with radical opinions from both sides and intentionally showing that mild opinions get hushed. (note how easy it is to glide your attention past 15pennies3, even though he's the most accurate.) on the same side as seemingly calling out real life issues, it also positions itself neatly in fantasy by the fact that the main character literally did have his mind altered, and this isn't their normal self talking. it's not stating that every trans person is brainwashed, but just that this person is easily falling into a radical stance from his brainwashing because it's the stance that challenges him the least.

I honestly love this author, since he seems to mix well together porn and complicated emotions and issues. it comes out as less sexy, and more like the sex is just a narrative tool to talk about difficult situations.

really, keep up the good work. I enjoy the new and in-depth perspectives.

benjiboyo said:
Interesting choice to make this universe have males and females be statistically different, when in every case of canon, it's actually an exception for very few species.

In Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal, gender is based on physical attack compared to gender ratio. A Pokemon is female if it's physical attack is less or equal to its species' gender ratio, otherwise it is male. It isn't present in future games, but there are things in future games that conflict with parts of other games, so I take what will fit a story/universe closely to reality. In this case, female animals on average are weaker than male animals in the real world. There are some exceptions to Pokemon, such as the odd female that ends up stronger than the male, or species like Salandit, where the females are much more likely to be stronger than the males due to nutritional factors (male Salazzle DO exist in this world. They're rare, though. They are likely to be ones that mutated genetically to be immune to female Salazzle's pheromones).

octophile said:
Yeah. Like you telling me a Nidoking would be denied fighting a female Onyx?

I think it would have made more sense to say that he was denied for being a Nidoking.
But then that begs the question why there are gender-specific rings in the first place...

Technically, TiNi's arena does not have gender restrictions. It's just that his ring is known for having him, someone who's never been defeated. Females don't want to risk getting their skull literally bashed in. There are females that have challenged him in the past. However, he does not fuck the females in the aftergame like he does with males. Make of that what you will.

grimart said:
In Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal, gender is based on physical attack compared to gender ratio. A Pokemon is female if it's physical attack is less or equal to its species' gender ratio, otherwise it is male. It isn't present in future games, but there are things in future games that conflict with parts of other games, so I take what will fit a story/universe closely to reality. In this case, female animals on average are weaker than male animals in the real world. There are some exceptions to Pokemon, such as the odd female that ends up stronger than the male, or species like Salandit, where the females are much more likely to be stronger than the males due to nutritional factors (male Salazzle DO exist in this world. They're rare, though. They are likely to be ones that mutated genetically to be immune to female Salazzle's pheromones).

Damn, those are some obscure ass details i didn't even know, never did care for gen 2 mechanics but props, guess the correct statement is ALMOST all cases in canon

Sociopolitical stuff portrayed by poképorn comics... These comments will be fascinating...

wow this causes me pain. i hate it.
(no shame on the artist tho ^w^)

Just the names of these commentators are "comedy gold" worthy XD

What's going on with this comic? Like it made such a sharp turn, I felt this comic was going downhill but damn even I didn't expect it this fast

All this stuff feel like 4chan and twitter merged into one massive pile of toxic shit

15pennies3 is the most accurate

the comments are p accurate to twitter irl

and lmao the shinyphobic person

15pennies3 has no idea how right he/she is.

I love how everyone mentions how close the 15pennies3 guy is to what happened. And I agree, especially since compared to everyone elses comments, his may sound like the most trollish, but he also guessed correctly as well, but because of that trollish tone of his comment it's easy to look over it as such and not think "hm" to if you're not looking at this comic all meta like we are as readers since these guys don't know what actually happened outside a hunch. Whereas everyone else is either a toxic pile of waste (Wtf Dewgong O.o. I hate comments like those.), or are being rather reasonable and do bring up some good points but still haven't figured out the "why" part of this all (I.E the Staraptor and Hypno).

Nice. In a fantasy world with psychic powers, auras, and mind manipulation populated by magical animals, females are still weaker on average.

That was the case in a single generation in the games that used statistical differences because the way Pokemon were coded didn't support standardized statistical variables and multiple genders, and things were subsequently re-written so that was no longer the case in any other set of Pokemon games

but never mind all that
Social commentary

grimart said:
In Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal, gender is based on physical attack compared to gender ratio. A Pokemon is female if it's physical attack is less or equal to its species' gender ratio, otherwise it is male. It isn't present in future games, but there are things in future games that conflict with parts of other games, so I take what will fit a story/universe closely to reality. In this case, female animals on average are weaker than male animals in the real world. There are some exceptions to Pokemon, such as the odd female that ends up stronger than the male, or species like Salandit, where the females are much more likely to be stronger than the males due to nutritional factors (male Salazzle DO exist in this world. They're rare, though. They are likely to be ones that mutated genetically to be immune to female Salazzle's pheromones).

Technically, TiNi's arena does not have gender restrictions. It's just that his ring is known for having him, someone who's never been defeated. Females don't want to risk getting their skull literally bashed in. There are females that have challenged him in the past. However, he does not fuck the females in the aftergame like he does with males. Make of that what you will.

It's odd to me that male Salazzles are completely unobtainable in the games, despite canon indirectly stating that they should exist outside of the wild.

theabsol said:
It's odd to me that male Salazzles are completely unobtainable in the games, despite canon indirectly stating that they should exist outside of the wild.

Yeah and should be at the very least very extremely rare at that (Or even obtainable by trainers who don't leave males malnourished like the female Salazzles do). But oh well. *shrug*

endor-7th said:
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That's very true....

Okay quick men and women leauge explanation speed run. Trans males shouldn't enter female sports and vice versa, as scientificly, the male body is naturally built to be stronger than the female body. HOWEVER: that does not mean ALL men are stronger than women, as that would be sexist. Having a trans male in a female leauge would give an unfair advantage, and would make the whole existence of leauges pointless. Think of weight classes in boxing; a lighter class could beat a heavier class, but the heavier class will get an unfair advantage due to how their bodies naturally are.

If you skipped to the end as this was too long to read, the final point: men's bodies are naturally built to be stronger than the female body, but it would be sexist to claim all females are weaker than males. Oh and watch women's sports :)

A commenter like 15pennies being right is the most terrifying thing in this comic.

mr_auger said:
Okay quick men and women leauge explanation speed run. Trans males shouldn't enter female sports and vice versa, as scientificly, the male body is naturally built to be stronger than the female body. HOWEVER: that does not mean ALL men are stronger than women, as that would be sexist. Having a trans male in a female leauge would give an unfair advantage, and would make the whole existence of leauges pointless. Think of weight classes in boxing; a lighter class could beat a heavier class, but the heavier class will get an unfair advantage due to how their bodies naturally are.

If you skipped to the end as this was too long to read, the final point: men's bodies are naturally built to be stronger than the female body, but it would be sexist to claim all females are weaker than males. Oh and watch women's sports :)

...yeah, no. Sex-based leagues have some basis in reality, but not nearly to the degree of weight classes. Plus they don't account for intersex people, or afabs with naturally elevated T. As for trans males in women's sports, I agree with what you said, but I'm pretty sure you're using the terf definitions of that term because of how you phrased it.

nxtangl said:
...yeah, no. Sex-based leagues have some basis in reality, but not nearly to the degree of weight classes. Plus they don't account for intersex people, or afabs with naturally elevated T. As for trans males in women's sports, I agree with what you said, but I'm pretty sure you're using the terf definitions of that term because of how you phrased it.

I was using a generalist approach, not taking that 1 percent into mind. Not that they don't matter and they should be included with special exceptions to the rules,

Also no, I didn't research if it was actually 1 percent of them in sports I just don't feel like researching for a comment on a porn site lol

mr_auger said:
I was using a generalist approach, not taking that 1 percent into mind. Not that they don't matter and they should be included with special exceptions to the rules,

Also no, I didn't research if it was actually 1 percent of them in sports I just don't feel like researching for a comment on a porn site lol

EDIT: I got confused a bit after responding because I realized that you said "trans males shouldn't enter womens leagues" which I agree with - but the rest of your comment heavily implies that when you say "trans male" you don't mean trans men, but are using a transphobic phrasing of "trans women", so I stay by my point.

From what I've read, for some aspects of muscle distribution/ability, HRT does successfully negate the differences. Not having had male puberty (when puberty blockers are used and directly followed up by HRT) fully negates the difference across the board.
So the statement "trans male in a female leauge would give an unfair advantage" is, as stated, incorrect or rather missing critical nuance to the topic and just a very very icky stance to express when there is such a big tide of transphobia trying to misinform and erase existences and achievements.

weran said:
From what I've read, for some aspects of muscle distribution/ability, HRT does successfully negate the differences. Not having had male puberty (when puberty blockers are used and directly followed up by HRT) fully negates the difference across the board.
So the statement "trans male in a female leauge would give an unfair advantage" is, as stated, incorrect or rather missing critical nuance to the topic and just a very very icky stance to express when there is such a big tide of transphobia trying to misinform and erase existences and achievements.

Not true. Even in prepubescence, males have greater advantage than females in all but balance and flexibility. https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2012/07000/physical_fitness_differences_between_prepubescent.4.aspx

mr_auger said:
Okay quick men and women leauge explanation speed run. Trans males shouldn't enter female sports and vice versa, as scientificly, the male body is naturally built to be stronger than the female body. HOWEVER: that does not mean ALL men are stronger than women, as that would be sexist. Having a trans male in a female leauge would give an unfair advantage, and would make the whole existence of leauges pointless. Think of weight classes in boxing; a lighter class could beat a heavier class, but the heavier class will get an unfair advantage due to how their bodies naturally are.

If you skipped to the end as this was too long to read, the final point: men's bodies are naturally built to be stronger than the female body, but it would be sexist to claim all females are weaker than males. Oh and watch women's sports :)

The character in the comic is (edit: it wasn't, he was just doubting his gender) a trans woman (male to female) not a trans man. And also, HRT changes a lot of things. So yeah, a trans woman can be stronger than cis woman but at the same time weaker than cis men because the hormones decreases muscle mass and strenght.

grimart said:
Not true. Even in prepubescence, males have greater advantage than females in all but balance and flexibility. https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2012/07000/physical_fitness_differences_between_prepubescent.4.aspx

True but just as there are biological differences, if the trans person is on HRT, they will have more advantage or disanvantage if they compete with people of their biological sex.

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