Talking ben isn't fucking around now.

coupdegrace said:
Talking ben isn't fucking around now.

Yes

The bitch seems to like it...

i'd hate to give PETA the props of a good take as much as the next guy, but still PRONG-FUCKING-WHAT?!

dripen_arn said:
i'd hate to give PETA the props of a good take as much as the next guy, but still PRONG-FUCKING-WHAT?!

Lazy people and dog fighters’ way of getting dogs to obey, or as some a-holes call it, “aversive training.”

So is kidnapping people's pets off their porches and euthanizing them.

So is advocating for killing all pit bulls for the crime of being pit bulls.

So is handing these comics out to children when there were no adults looking.

So is spreading false information about milk causing autism based on outdated bullshit information.

So is having two of their workers accept perfectly healthy animals from an animal hospital, with the implication that they would give them good homes, clarify that these animals were all healthy and well-tempered, and then euthanize them all in the back of a kill-van before dumping their dead bodies behind a grocery store. (not linking directly to this one due to e621's rules regarding extremely violent images)

On the bright side, though, it's pretty obvious from this piece that PETA's reputation has (rightly) been tarnished enough by their crimes that no competent artist is willing to draw for them.

I'll take life advice from PETA when they stop being a terrorist organization

did peta do another "awful image that becomes a meme"?

dripen_arn said:
i'd hate to give PETA the props of a good take as much as the next guy, but still PRONG-FUCKING-WHAT?!

An actual fucking torture device. This is one of those few times PETA is actually right.

rekeiji said:
An actual fucking torture device. This is one of those few times PETA is actually right.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aU5_Zr_la1U
Yeah, they're so horrible

For once they aren't wrong - Even a blind chicken can find a grain

Prong collars, in my experience, aren't actually a bad thing if you use them properly.

My dog has been wearing one all five years of his life, and he certainly doesn't think of it as a "torture device". He actually gets excited to put it on in the morning, and I sometimes have trouble keeping him from jumping into it. Really, the same can be said for any kind of "necklace" as he reacts the same way to bandanas, but if anything that just shows how indifferent he is to it.

And before anyone screams about how abusive I am for not giving him a flat collar; I did, and because of his aforementioned excitable nature he would always end up choking himself. A prong collar might cause some discomfort when he pulls against it, but he physically isn't capable of choking himself like with a flat collar.

That's the real takeaway, wrapping anything around your pet's neck could be dangerous, if you're negligent. My pup has lived happily with one of these collars and never been hurt because I pay attention.

octobot9000 said:
Prong collars, in my experience, aren't actually a bad thing if you use them properly.

My dog has been wearing one all five years of his life, and he certainly doesn't think of it as a "torture device". He actually gets excited to put it on in the morning, and I sometimes have trouble keeping him from jumping into it. Really, the same can be said for any kind of "necklace" as he reacts the same way to bandanas, but if anything that just shows how indifferent he is to it.

And before anyone screams about how abusive I am for not giving him a flat collar; I did, and because of his aforementioned excitable nature he would always end up choking himself. A prong collar might cause some discomfort when he pulls against it, but he physically isn't capable of choking himself like with a flat collar.

That's the real takeaway, wrapping anything around your pet's neck could be dangerous, if you're negligent. My pup has lived happily with one of these collars and never been hurt because I pay attention.

Or... You know... A vest works too.

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Because it pisses off Peta...

KINKY.

I swear to god PETA is intentionally trying to appeal to furries so much more than Disney/etc is at this point

fortheplot said:
So is spreading false information about milk causing autism based on outdated bullshit information.

Milk causing autism? I think that's even dumber than anti-vaxx bullshit.

fortheplot said:
So is kidnapping people's pets off their porches and euthanizing them.

So is advocating for killing all pit bulls for the crime of being pit bulls.

So is handing these comics out to children when there were no adults looking.

So is spreading false information about milk causing autism based on outdated bullshit information.

So is having two of their workers accept perfectly healthy animals from an animal hospital, with the implication that they would give them good homes, clarify that these animals were all healthy and well-tempered, and then euthanize them all in the back of a kill-van before dumping their dead bodies behind a grocery store. (not linking directly to this one due to e621's rules regarding extremely violent images)

The first link's article is about claims a person made 15 years after they ceased working for Peta. http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/the-curious-case-of-heather-harper-troje.html (according to its About page, Why Peta Euthanizes is not affiliated with Peta).

The second states, "Peta supports the pit bull policy, albeit with reluctance." They were not alone in this stance according to the pdf. Peta's current stance advocates for preventing pit bull breeding: https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pitbulls/
I would link the "PETA’s Position on Pit Bulls" page which expands on the topic, but I'm unsure if the images would break any rules because of the imagery.

On the third point, I agree. The demonisation of parents who fish and hunt animals is unnecessary, harmful, and inaccurate.

I agree that Peta spread misinformation claiming milk caused autism.

On kidnapping pets: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/. Seems in some of these cases those involved were incompetent, at least from my understanding, as some of the excuses the Peta members involved made are poor in my eyes.
On the trustworthiness of the site Snopes: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/is-snopes-biased-reliable/ and https://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/.

foxel said:
The first link's article is about claims a person made 15 years after they ceased working for Peta. http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/the-curious-case-of-heather-harper-troje.html (according to its About page, Why Peta Euthanizes is not affiliated with Peta).

For a site called "Why PETA Euthanizes", it talks suspiciously little about PETA's euthanization (which, as a reminder, is typically between 72% and 90% of the animals it takes in in any given year)
As for the "15 years after" bit, surely you don't think a person taking a long time to become comfortable with sharing traumatic memories makes those memories invalid, right? Does an abuse survivor's testimony also become invalid 15 years after the abuse happens?

foxel said:
The second states, "Peta supports the pit bull policy, albeit with reluctance." They were not alone in this stance according to the pdf. Peta's current stance advocates for preventing pit bull breeding: https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pitbulls/

This link literally mentions that "shelters are destroying dogs by the tens of thousands", yet conveniently leaves out who operates many of those "shelters".
The number of powerful groups or individuals who support a stance does not determine the stance's morality.

Animal rights activism is a genuinely good cause, veganism is a perfectly valid lifestyle, and factory farming is unethical and environmentally destructive, which is exactly why PETA's hypocrisy should not be allowed to taint any of these movements.

If PETA cared about stopping the killing of animals, it wouldn't kill so many animals.
If PETA cared about making a difference, it wouldn't be a for-profit company.

fortheplot said:
As for the "15 years after" bit, surely you don't think a person taking a long time to become comfortable with sharing traumatic memories makes those memories invalid, right? Does an abuse survivor's testimony also become invalid 15 years after the abuse happens?

I have no opinion on if the 15 years affects the validity of the claims. I made the comment for others to draw conclusions from it and the links provided, except where I mentioned my opinion in the sentence on the 2nd last line after the link and in the I agree sentences.

fortheplot said:
The number of powerful groups or individuals who support a stance does not determine the stance's morality.

I agree.

lmao

If you haven’t personally seen a prong collar used or consulted with professional dog trainers about it, then I highly recommend you reserve judgement. Prong collars are used to prevent injuries, not cause them. Some dogs hurl themselves against normal collars enough to cause throat damage; a prong collar hurts only when the dog pulls, which quickly and effectively stops the pulling, resulting in no pain and no throat damage.

It’s like punishing a child: yes it’s cruel if done randomly, constantly, or too hard, but never doing it at all is also a cruelty in the long run. Unlike children, dogs only learn with very fast and simple feedback. So yes, it’s cruel and stupid to yank at a prong collar - but using it correctly is neither.

If you’re wondering where the outrage comes from if all that’s true, it falls into a few camps. Some have no experience and think it’s constantly painful, some are the type that can’t punish their children either, some are repeating what they heard from the first two groups without realizing these people have never succeeded in training that type of dog. And then there’s PETA, which will embrace any narrative that makes pet owners look bad, because their mission is the eradication of pets, not animal welfare. They literally just kill most pets they receive, look it up.

On an unrelated note, if you want to use a prong collar on me then I do recommend random, constant, and hard punishment.

d-class said:
Or... You know... A vest works too.

My ankle biter slides everything but a choker

rekeiji said:
An actual fucking torture device. This is one of those few times PETA is actually right.

Actually the prong collar has been proven to NOT hurt dogs, as even a BALLOON won't pop with one on.