lol luna

Ouch...

Politics, fucking serious buisness.

> I had a reason, but it seems that you are just a slut, My sister

This series is getting incredibly more stupid with every picture.

Okay, after the sexiness, the last part was kinda bad... Not the art being bad, because it was damn good. But Celestia's attitude about it. I don't think that she would call her sister a slut like that. Or was this a joke? Can someone please tell me?

So how many more pages until it's finally over?

Roarin said:
Okay, after the sexiness, the last part was kinda bad... Not the art being bad, because it was damn good. But Celestia's attitude about it. I don't think that she would call her sister a slut like that. Or was this a joke? Can someone please tell me?

like really oc ? nah its not like is been happening all over the comic :P

Damn, Luna just got fucking burned.

alekpo said:
like really oc ? nah its not like is been happening all over the comic :P

I don't get it either? Could you or someone else please explain it better? I hate politics and don't understand this well.

Roarin said:
Okay, after the sexiness, the last part was kinda bad... Not the art being bad, because it was damn good. But Celestia's attitude about it. I don't think that she would call her sister a slut like that. Or was this a joke? Can someone please tell me?

Agreed, Celestia's attitude was uncalled for here and I don't understand if it was a joke either.

"You and I shall mate in the manner of our ancestors."

Why does that line stick with me? Is she implying pony/dragon relations were a common thing last milennia? Or is she just telling him to do it like they do on the Discovery Channel?

"You and I shall mate in the manner of our ancestors."
Why did Princess Luna say I instead of we?

GarethGobulcoque said:
"You and I shall mate in the manner of our ancestors."

Why does that line stick with me? Is she implying pony/dragon relations were a common thing last milennia? Or is she just telling him to do it like they do on the Discovery Channel?

^^ both.

ZeroSumGamer said:
"You and I shall mate in the manner of our ancestors."
Why did Princess Luna say I instead of we?

You'll notice that, after he made her cum, she also referred to him as "you" instead of "thou" and used the more insistent "will" instead of "shall." She became more familiar with him and pleased with him. After all, she was only using "we" with Celestia because she was upset at her. The word choice was not a mistake.

SOUND_BOOM said:
Agreed, Celestia's attitude was uncalled for here and I don't understand if it was a joke either.

Uh ... perhaps we missed the "Hi everybody! Look at my sloppy cream pie!!"

Plus the fact that when the initial discussion happened - it was just between the two of them - now - the whole court knows!

Discretion - indeed

Celestia For the WIN!

Gotta say I found quite a few disappointing things in these recent chapters. Both story and art wise. But kept those to the mail for people's sake :P

Overall, my most notable derp is that in this entire comic, the ones that referred to as sluts have been Dash and Luna, no-one has even given the slightest degrading hint, only praise against Spike, the most massive slut in the entire thing, whoring himself out to anyone willing to touch his dick, but no, give that to the OOC characters in incredibly random out of plot or disposition dump moments xD

And was disappointing that Luna wasn't mottled. Also feels like their clits and winking has overall grown smaller. Their vulva's plumpness also seem to shift quite a lot. Also, the primary taint still keeps being a shifting thing in lenght xP And don't approve much at all to most character portrayals in this. Was quite neat to see Spike using some of his supposed skill. But that felt lacking when he didn't jerk off Luna during the vaginal. Speaking of which, her cumshot also felt lacking. Overall, would have been a lot more fun to see Luna creampie spike, then drag him into the throne room as her trophy. Atm it feels more like a display of "look! I pleasure males better than you!" not any "I got sexually satisfied" or the like. And Spike comes off as far too "porny confident", he acts too "douche" so to say xP Both in the expression and term he goes "mm, thank you princess" in, and his demanor of "ah, back to pleasure me again are we?" when Luna first enters, he's a rather spoiled, selfish brat much of the time, and it shows :P

GarethGobulcoque said:
"You and I shall mate in the manner of our ancestors."

Why does that line stick with me? Is she implying pony/dragon relations were a common thing last milennia? Or is she just telling him to do it like they do on the Discovery Channel?

But Spike isn't a mammal.
P.S. yes Celestia's behavior is not what we are used to from the show, but history reveals her to be quite a bitch. I mean, she exiled her sister to the MOON rather than try to help her during the whole Nightmare Moon thing

I think Rainbow needs to get it now. All she did was suck spike in the first one.

ToastTheWood said:
I think Rainbow needs to get it now. All she did was suck spike in the first one.

yep, she does. and i'm really sorry about how she didn't = ( we messed up. but the comic's over now, we've spent a year and a half on it, and we've gotta move on to other things for our own sanity.

Seem once more the sun gets all the burning going on. if you get what I mean :3.

TwilightStormshi said:
yep, she does. and i'm really sorry about how she didn't = ( we messed up. but the comic's over now, we've spent a year and a half on it, and we've gotta move on to other things for our own sanity.

so the comics done.and true rainbow would have been interesting but hey this it still best comic if read on this site.its sad to see it die.

coolxblade said:
so is the comics done? and true rainbow dash would have been interesting. but, hey this is still best comic ive read on this site.its sad to see it die.

Well if this is the finally, it would've been nice to see some flutters x spike, oh well. :P

coolxblade said:
so the comics done.and true rainbow would have been interesting but hey this it still best comic if read on this site.its sad to see it die.

thank you very much! we will continue to do comics. our next one is on banjo-kazooie, and we'll be starting it after a two-week break. i'm sure it'll be posted here! if you like our stuff, you're most welcome to keep following! <3

masterwave said:
Well if this is the finally, it would've been nice to see some flutters x spike, oh well. :P

refer to my comment above about RDxSpike :P

aFter acting so smug on page 5, I think Luna got well what she deserved; fuckin' hypocrite LOL

Jeatz said:
So how many more pages until it's finally over?

the ride never ends.

As said, honestly feel quite sad that it ended in such a mess. I know you said you had a rough start, but just continuously going on the same trail, making it worse was not the best way to go tbh. Sometimes it's better to just drop the original path for the sake of it, instead of tweaking and bending everything else in order to have it fit. The closest to a decent ending was the CMC one despite the flaws it had, but then it got ruined by the OOC exposition dump, done by the ENTIRELY wrong characters. Even just swapping the direction of the speech bubbles (with minor adjustments would have) about double the quality of that exposition dump. All and all, it could have been so much more, but sadly you chose not to try that to instead "go safe". Really hope your next projects will move away from that path, and not start with any norms. Same goes to Kit a bit, they branched out a bit during this, but sadly stuck to repetition at several places, along with being one sided creatively at times. A little more effort and focus would be nice to see from them. Multiple times I noticed them flip-flop between doing something correctly one panel, to then do it incorrectly the next. I understand it can be straining to get all right, especially with the amount of work they put in, but all and all, it seems like you ought to have picked it up after the 20'th page of doing it over and over. I noticed they caught up on some things and did them correctly after a coupe times, but others were just stuck in that constant flip-flopping.
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As of now, DYO is a bit of a... "flying dutchmen" so to say. It's a completely wrecked ship in multiple areas, yet it still floats. Mainly due to the small, small parts that work, and those do it rather well. Sadly as said, they're mainly ruined by the parts that don't. And there are a lot of them, some grossly notable, and I honestly wonder why or how they were even implemented. As said, you're one of the most peculiar authors I've run into :P You seem to get something, while at the same time not, alternatively, doing it anyway :P But yeah, as a whole, it's a comic that actually literally swaps in rating from ~2-7 between each page, sometimes even panel xP So it's quite unique in that sense. Ah well, while a reboot where it was remade properly is something I really, REALLY doubt would happen xD At least for a long while considering the drag this comic has gone through already. The effort put in is nonetheless admirable however. Personally wish there was less one sided things in it, but not that much can be done about it atm. At most, can just hope it will be more diverse in future projects.
As a whole, I would give DYO a score of 3 out of ten. (and it's very worth to mention that I also got a -10 on the other side of the scale) Which amusingly enough is a rather well scoring result xP Would originally give it a 2-4 score, but 3 is in between, and seems more logical to give a non-fluxuating score. Quite sure I will still see Spike as a massive slut from now on though xP Along with the type of douche that gets himself off, brags out it, then falls asleep xD Mixing with someone that has a very selfish sexuality, yet is capable to do things if needed... oddly enough he was the only character affected for me. Guess it was due to everyone else being too flat, generic or ooc to even notice or pay attention to as anything other than background noise... that and the fact it was solely focused about Spike xP

Ah well, look at me ramble again. But meh, considering this is the end of it all, I think I can allow myself to trail off a bit. So yeah, hope you learned from all your mistakes, along with your couple of successes. But mainly to put IC before plot convenience. Like I said in one of the few times I made sense; you don't have to apply bad misfitting norms for the sake of sex. Just take a actual logical reason, and apply that instead, using small exposition notices if needed, removing the need for the dumps entirely. Oh, and I think the possibly most important one: Check with multiple people if something makes sense to them. Proofreaders are gold. That, and like said: If you actually want to make sense; Use a world's lore that WORKS. Don't go "I won't do that, that's discriminating!" then do it's exact opposite, discriminating the other side, despite it not even fitting the world. There are more solutions than just black and white. And like said: If you want to avoid a negative stereotype, don't just replace it with a more commonly accepted one. It doesn't work like that. Welp, even I think I've trailed off a bit far now xD Ah well, good luck with your future comic. Again, hoping you won't just beat around the bush or mumble about improving and actually get to work at it. I've seen you try carefully at it, but most those times you supplemented it by doing more generic stereotypes to "balance it out", that's not really helping xP Erf, in either case, I really hope I made sense and not just came off rambling or rude again. Hate when I do that. Leads no-where and don't help improvement at all.

Usagi1992 said:
aFter acting so smug on page 5, I think Luna got well what she deserved; fuckin' hypocrite LOL

Not really, she was made to act grossly odd and OCC. The main one to be an "ass" in this comic will still be Spike, and he only kept getting the opposite of what he deserved, while continuously acting like a douche, and everyone praising him for it. More or less.

TwilightStormshi said:
yep, she does. and i'm really sorry about how she didn't = ( we messed up. but the comic's over now, we've spent a year and a half on it, and we've gotta move on to other things for our own sanity.

Technically, there are "quick fixes", doubt it'd cross your mind to think of them, but one such would just be a short, "one page" flick where ex: Dash is shown to have just unloaded into or onto Spike going well "Well, that'll have to do. I guess were even now./you've repaid me enough." or the like. Something quick, simple, that'd yet hint at everything "needed." Not everything have to be drawn out. I mean, you kinda for some reason only drew out the illogical shizz in lack of a answer two it, while trying to dump the important stuff in order to have it make sense. That's kinda the main harm of doing stuff in that type of writing xP It leaves tangled messes.

Kattlarv said:
...

it's amazing how you can write this much and i can still disagree with everything you say XD but i read it all and dutifully took notes. i heard ya and will think about how to improve using the new information. ...may i continue to make my own decisions about my own writing? :P

Well, at least the art's nice. Celestia on the other hand acts like such a horrible pony in this part that it just becomes ridiculous.

And yeah, I read your comment about what she said being light teasing between sisters, but I don't think you quite understand what light means (which actually explains a lot about my issues with the characters). Light teasing between sisters would just show the bond between them and how much they care about each other. And, you know, Celestia cares for Luna.

At least, the actual characters do. The Celestia here is pretty much a monster who seems to hate Luna. The stuff she was telling her was not "light teasing." Light teasing is not taking all of a person's mistakes and insecurities and rubbing it in their face. It also doesn't include manipulating them into doing something that will end up ruining their reputation, which is what Celestia does to Luna here (and then calls her a whore...).

I really hope you understand why that wouldn't be light teasing.

It's just, for a comic series trying to take itself seriously, I find it ironic that the one character who should face the consequences of his actions (Spike, and Celestia too considering the beginning) is constantly rewarded throughout the entire series no matter what he does. With that kind of ending, I can't even figure out what the moral of this actually is.

TheOldOne said:
I read your comment about what she said being light teasing between sisters

sorry, but where did i say anything about "light?" they're having a fight. they're being bitches to each other. celestia won. it's not supposed to make you feel comfortable. it's supposed to make you laugh. but at least you gave me a specific reason you thought it was out of character, and that's better than 99% of commenters. i don't think it's out of character OR out of the realm of possibility. you're supposed to suspend your disbelief when reading a story. if you can't do that for a particular story, read a different one.

TheOldOne said:
It's just, for a comic series trying to take itself seriously, I find it ironic that the one character who should face the consequences of his actions (Spike, and Celestia too considering the beginning) is constantly rewarded throughout the entire series no matter what he does.

did you see how spike cried in dyo? did you see him get yelled at by his mate, looked down on by fluttershy and rarity, get treated awkwardly by pinkie, dash and aj, and almost get bucked by big mac? how about when mac did buck him at the end of the cmc ending? did you just ignore those parts? just that he was forgiven in the end doesn't mean there weren't consequences or that he wasn't punished. just that he changed rd's opinion on something doesn't mean you have to agree with her or him. that has nothing to do with being in or out of character. nothing.

out of character means applejack makes dresses and says "talk about getting your beauty sleep!" it doesn't make it out of character when you don't personally share someone's motivation.

besides, where's the benefit of the doubt i'm supposed to get from writing about a different society? because, if i were writing about humans, i would have written in this way: everyone around spike overreacts and acts idiotic, no one forgives him or even ever listens to his side of the story, and he ends up getting raped and stabbed himself in jail.

but that wouldn't happen in equestria, where friendship actually means something. also, do you REALLY want to see that in a comic? =| unless you just hate spike, which a lot of people seem to.

also, speaking of consequences and punishment: he DIDN'T rape ab. she said it wasn't rape, so it wasn't. end of story. so spike didn't deserve to get punished for something he didn't do. we wrote it to be DUBCON, yes. but not rape. he lost control for two seconds, ab was confused her first time as a lot of people are, he apologized earnestly, she forgave him, and she had sex with him lots completely consensually after that point. you simply can't say "but it WAS rape!" you're not ab. so, if you do, you're just wrong. you're the kind of person who would make a confused little kid like spike end up dead in jail if this happened irl. you would be responsible for his death.

i'm getting really tired of this whole "the consequences don't make sense" shit from people. what you think should happen isn't what i have to write. it doesn't mean the characters are out of character. YOU DON'T KNOW whether they are or not. has anyone been raped in the show? do they even have sex in the show? no? then this is just a fan work, and i don't have to make the characters act the way you want them to. we provide you this for free, meaning no one has to read it or donate if they don't want to. you're not entitled to it. whey are these reviews and criticisms always "mysteriously" mixed with condescending lectures and insults? fucking christ.

TwilightStormshi said:
whey

*why

I love your writing Twi and I think that your logic makes perfect sense when taking it in the show's context. Some people just are taking your logic and trying to mangle it to fit into real life logic which quite clearly does not work as you have mentioned before. In conclusion I must add that I am really impressed with this comic and am excited to see more work from you and Kitsune.

Kattlarv said:

As said, honestly feel quite sad that it ended in such a mess. I know you said you had a rough start, but just continuously going on the same trail, making it worse was not the best way to go tbh. Sometimes it's better to just drop the original path for the sake of it, instead of tweaking and bending everything else in order to have it fit. The closest to a decent ending was the CMC one despite the flaws it had, but then it got ruined by the OOC exposition dump, done by the ENTIRELY wrong characters. Even just swapping the direction of the speech bubbles (with minor adjustments would have) about double the quality of that exposition dump. All and all, it could have been so much more, but sadly you chose not to try that to instead "go safe". Really hope your next projects will move away from that path, and not start with any norms. Same goes to Kit a bit, they branched out a bit during this, but sadly stuck to repetition at several places, along with being one sided creatively at times. A little more effort and focus would be nice to see from them. Multiple times I noticed them flip-flop between doing something correctly one panel, to then do it incorrectly the next. I understand it can be straining to get all right, especially with the amount of work they put in, but all and all, it seems like you ought to have picked it up after the 20'th page of doing it over and over. I noticed they caught up on some things and did them correctly after a coupe times, but others were just stuck in that constant flip-flopping.
->
As of now, DYO is a bit of a... "flying dutchmen" so to say. It's a completely wrecked ship in multiple areas, yet it still floats. Mainly due to the small, small parts that work, and those do it rather well. Sadly as said, they're mainly ruined by the parts that don't. And there are a lot of them, some grossly notable, and I honestly wonder why or how they were even implemented. As said, you're one of the most peculiar authors I've run into :P You seem to get something, while at the same time not, alternatively, doing it anyway :P But yeah, as a whole, it's a comic that actually literally swaps in rating from ~2-7 between each page, sometimes even panel xP So it's quite unique in that sense. Ah well, while a reboot where it was remade properly is something I really, REALLY doubt would happen xD At least for a long while considering the drag this comic has gone through already. The effort put in is nonetheless admirable however. Personally wish there was less one sided things in it, but not that much can be done about it atm. At most, can just hope it will be more diverse in future projects.
As a whole, I would give DYO a score of 3 out of ten. (and it's very worth to mention that I also got a -10 on the other side of the scale) Which amusingly enough is a rather well scoring result xP Would originally give it a 2-4 score, but 3 is in between, and seems more logical to give a non-fluxuating score. Quite sure I will still see Spike as a massive slut from now on though xP Along with the type of douche that gets himself off, brags out it, then falls asleep xD Mixing with someone that has a very selfish sexuality, yet is capable to do things if needed... oddly enough he was the only character affected for me. Guess it was due to everyone else being too flat, generic or ooc to even notice or pay attention to as anything other than background noise... that and the fact it was solely focused about Spike xP

Ah well, look at me ramble again. But meh, considering this is the end of it all, I think I can allow myself to trail off a bit. So yeah, hope you learned from all your mistakes, along with your couple of successes. But mainly to put IC before plot convenience. Like I said in one of the few times I made sense; you don't have to apply bad misfitting norms for the sake of sex. Just take a actual logical reason, and apply that instead, using small exposition notices if needed, removing the need for the dumps entirely. Oh, and I think the possibly most important one: Check with multiple people if something makes sense to them. Proofreaders are gold. That, and like said: If you actually want to make sense; Use a world's lore that WORKS. Don't go "I won't do that, that's discriminating!" then do it's exact opposite, discriminating the other side, despite it not even fitting the world. There are more solutions than just black and white. And like said: If you want to avoid a negative stereotype, don't just replace it with a more commonly accepted one. It doesn't work like that. Welp, even I think I've trailed off a bit far now xD Ah well, good luck with your future comic. Again, hoping you won't just beat around the bush or mumble about improving and actually get to work at it. I've seen you try carefully at it, but most those times you supplemented it by doing more generic stereotypes to "balance it out", that's not really helping xP Erf, in either case, I really hope I made sense and not just came off rambling or rude again. Hate when I do that. Leads no-where and don't help improvement at all.

Not really, she was made to act grossly odd and OCC. The main one to be an "ass" in this comic will still be Spike, and he only kept getting the opposite of what he deserved, while continuously acting like a douche, and everyone praising him for it. More or less.

Technically, there are "quick fixes", doubt it'd cross your mind to think of them, but one such would just be a short, "one page" flick where ex: Dash is shown to have just unloaded into or onto Spike going well "Well, that'll have to do. I guess were even now./you've repaid me enough." or the like. Something quick, simple, that'd yet hint at everything "needed." Not everything have to be drawn out. I mean, you kinda for some reason only drew out the illogical shizz in lack of a answer two it, while trying to dump the important stuff in order to have it make sense. That's kinda the main harm of doing stuff in that type of writing xP It leaves tangled messes.

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pandapwner2 said:
I love your writing Twi and I think that your logic makes perfect sense when taking it in the show's context. Some people just are taking your logic and trying to mangle it to fit into real life logic which quite clearly does not work as you have mentioned before. In conclusion I must add that I am really impressed with this comic and am excited to see more work from you and Kitsune.

thanks = ) and yeah, people keep acting as if i don't know how to use rl logic. makes me lol. we're doing a 35-page banjo-kazooie comic next, starting about two weeks from now. i hope you enjoy!

TheDimLamp said:

Luna was always acting in her right mind as her own personality was developed and was preserved for the thousand years. With Celestia and her own wisdom and knowledge of how things are now... that's really cruel of her to call her a slut in any reason she has of the action. I mean, goading someone and then burning them is one thing because it's a joke, but doing it to your sister who just got over unacceptance from many a pony whom I expect is seeking your acceptance, and also basically insulting her although Celestia did the same thing minus the yelling which occured due to her personality... Wow. Celestia just called herself a slut while being a mud-throwing polotician... I feel better now, and this totally makes sense of how Luna was so angry. Family is apparently treated differently. No wonder she doesn't use the elements of harmony. There is NO harmony.

a valid interpretation. not what i meant to communicate, but there were lots of flaws in what i did communicate :P

Le do'h. I have far too easy to trail off xD
Sorry in advance for wall of text. Do appreciate that you have the patience and capacity to get through most ones so far.

TwilightStormshi said:...

(thanks for the script btw AS xP)

Kattlarv said:
Le do'h. I have far too easy to trail off xD
Sorry in advance for wall of text. Do appreciate that you have the patience and capacity to get through most ones so far.

That you may. Just keep in mind what said. You seem to make a lot of "my logic" acts as said, along with "all or nothing!". There are more ways than one you know. I think that might be the most important thing you should work on. Just to exaggerate a bit, but if you hava "I heav dik... - Oh mai! I must suk it!" moment in a story, don't dismissively scoff at people seeing it as flat, it IS flat. I don't care if it was "the only way" you could do it, it still doesn't make it any less flat :P An excuse does not justify us to like something because you say so.
(and as for "using rl logic", it is more that you never really USE it. It's a bit hard to believe you do on a deeper level when your usual response is going "Yeah I know.", then keep doing the opposite xP)

And to respond to the "light teasing": For it being supposed to "make you laugh", going with the context and how both reacts, again, this will be a slight exaggeration, but it's a bit like if when Spike went out late at night, he got jumped and brutally gang raped by a bunch of mares, making sure they were the only to get off, forcing him to swallow their jizz along with coating him in it, alternatively also raping him till his cock was bruised and sore, leaving him battered and bleeding. And then suddenly like: Cheerilee or maybe Pony Joe shows up! Great, they will help Spike we think, but no, they whip out a feeldoe/their cock and start ramming spike up the ass as he wails when his virgin ass ruptures. And then we get a "oh come on guys! you are supposed to laugh! It's funny because he thought he was going to get help, and instead they tear him a new one!" Know that's rather excessive, but going with the very odd and juvenile acting at the start, Lunas odd reaction to it, and the final act of her, along with Celestias response, it just feels rather out of place. Again, it also features "lessons" (or/and acts/speeches) that the seemingly entirely wrong person is taught or exposed to. And there's been a few of those things in DYO. Where we are "supposed to feel x", but it hasn't really felt like there was any reason for us to do so, or for the character to ex: cry. Anyhow, I'm sorry that I haven't been able to give many, or thorough explanations why I think x has been y. Have wanted too, but sadly it's far from a strong point of mine.

And the "Spike didn't get punished" part: For this, I mostly have to agree on their part. That, yes, Spike got very minor flak in it, but it was HOW he did it that didn't make it count. He basically cried BECAUSE he was "caught" so to say, and for not getting sex, or was praised for it more or less. He never seems sorry for hurting Twilight, he was sorry for that her being upset at him, made HIM feel bad. It was always only about HIS feelings. He only felt sorry for himself. That, and literally everything was fixed by others, not him. Everyone had to take the step, do his part and say they were sorry and excuse themselves to him. His actual efforts were minimal, and in the end, he was rewarded for being a selfish douche.
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Everyone apologized to him, promised they would change and do all the work for him so he wouldn't have to get off his ass and do anything himself and he was ultimately just rewarded for all he did. As said before, it's a bit "be a selfish douche, women will fix all your problem for you." As said, that is a bit where the story/logic/personality clashes. His actions doesn't add up with everyone's overall reasoning, nor the story as a whole. The movie "Pirates" does rather well in having random, generic porn scenes thrown in, yet that doesn't mess up the flow of the story or break character for the sake of porn. If you insist on using canon chars, paying a little more attention to that doesn't hurt.
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As for Mac bucking him, that part barely counts as 1: Spike is not phased the least, or seem to care at all by being kicked. At most, he's all "oh you" at Mac. 2: That part also contained the pulled out of the arse exposition dump, said by entirely the wrong characters. It again just ultimately praises Spike, and how right he was in all he did all along, and how it's everyone else that has to take any slander, because Spike can't be bad-mouthed against. And "out of character" to most is when it feels like something the character shouldn't be, or that they act out of the ordinary. And that was done quite a lot in DYO xP
And I did give you the benefit of the doubt, multiple times. You still ended up not writing a very seeming fitting matriarchal Equestria, as all that was ever shown, was our patriarchal human societal norms and stereotypes. And no female character really ever broke much of any of the porn gender norms, along with having very similar personality sex wise.
It's more how weakly it's presented as Equestria in the comic. About everyone's PoV is angled to be beneficial to Spike, without him having to do much of anything back. About all are "submissive" per say. And tbh, like said: I actually think this comic was a cause to many starting to hate spike. As said, I know my respect for him dropped notably due to this.
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I will agree though that it wasn't rape with AB, but it was... reckless I guess is the best term. But the problem I had with that he again, seemed sorry for that his act got him in trouble, not that it hurt AB slightly. That, and it seemed like his "making up for it" consisted of him getting a blowjob afterwards so that she could "apologize" to him for letting herself feel uncomfortable during her first time... That, and that he was quiet a douche during the sex itself. (demanding that she swallow his sperm, or else he won't pleasure her. No female ever gives any demands or the like on him, ever. Luna gets the closest, and is the most unique in that sense, but she partially falls short as she ultimately only was out after pleasuring Spike so that she could show that she made him ejaculate.) Again, Spike has been the only character to be demanding, selfish and to get special attention, graphic and content wise. (like the internal cumshots, no mare gets those) He's the only to get praised (with one technical exception of him commenting on how tight Twi is if I recall right, but could have been done better if he complimented on her strong muscles, or any characters taste or looks or anything.) as a whole. There is a very distinct "him" vs "them" in this.
Though, I can agree to a degree that I can see why you'd get annoyed at people constantly "pointing stuff out". I think though that it might be something to do that you often can seem to come off as it makes "total full sense, and anyone who can't see that is wrong/dumb" to people. As they don't "get it". But like said, that kinda falls down to that just because it makes sense to you, doesn't mean it has to everyone else. And again: My only really "requirement" is that you'd be able to see this story genderbent with the same storyline (slight alteration to certain acts to fit genders, such as fellatio to cunnilingus) and overall identical acts. It this would fail as things suddenly "not making sense", (with rare exceptions such as few, few biological ones) I would say that then there'd be a problem in the story. If you can however see this story work fully with a role reversal of genders, then it fully works as a basic story to me. But lastly: Keep in mind "plot convenience" is not a totally valid substitute for IC or story xD

(thanks for the script btw AS xP)

okay. thanks for your dedication = )

TwilightStormshi said:
okay. thanks for your dedication = )

Think I generally got too much of it xP It tends to always out-do everyone's capacity to rummage through it xD Would need to find a way to be more coherent and blunt heh, most of it don't get read/paid attention to anyhow, and then I just mean my text as a whole, not on here specifically. Ah well, like said, I can understand why you are hastily ditching the DYO without aim for any sort of quick, effective "wrap up" or the like, going with how long it's gone on, and a lot of the reaction to it. But yeah, hope you learnt some stuff from it at least that we can see improved in your future work.

TwilightStormshi said:
a valid interpretation. not what i meant to communicate, but there were lots of flaws in what i did communicate :P

No offense, but I didn't see much to communicate. What were you trying to say with those panels?

assassinsrul3 said:
No offense, but I didn't see much to communicate. What were you trying to say with those panels?

that arguments and politics always leave you fucked in the end. but what does it matter? take from it what you will. a story's just a story.

so, it ended?

Samaelcross said:
so, it ended?

the world will never know.

TwilightStormshi said:
that arguments and politics always leave you fucked in the end. but what does it matter? take from it what you will. a story's just a story.

How many pages are there left?

this is the end of dyo unless we decide to do a sequel in the future... cuz we've got other comics lined up for now. come follow us on inkbunny ( www.inkbunny.net/kitsuneyoukai ) or just wait around here, and i'm sure they'll show up. by the way, we'll be auctioning off the original drafts of all the pages of dyo, the alternate endings, and many bonus pages. i'll post a link to that auction here when it's up : )

TwilightStormshi said:
this is the end of dyo unless we decide to do a sequel in the future... cuz we've got other comics lined up for now. come follow us on inkbunny ( www.inkbunny.net/kitsuneyoukai ) or just wait around here, and i'm sure they'll show up. by the way, we'll be auctioning off the original drafts of all the pages of dyo, the alternate endings, and many bonus pages. i'll post a link to that auction here when it's up : )

Does that mean... banjo kazooie time?

Patch said:
Does that mean... banjo kazooie time?

starting about a week from now, yep =3 it's gonna have quite a bit of story before the sex... but also a very long sex scene. we wanna make the we hope people don't get bored without erotic stuff to look at for the first 20 or so pages. i mean that i hope i get people hooked on the story so we can even -get- to the sex scene / don't have to stop the comic from lack of funds :P

the auction's up! 103 one-of-a-kind pages in total -- these are the only original drafts in pencil: every page of DYO, the faq page, the spike-scoots nightmare-night page, and 20 bonus illustrations. in a signed binder, pages in protective sleeves.

the auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/281157062381

the IB submission about it, showing the finished versions of some of the bonus illustrations: https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=465527

TwilightStormshi said:
the auction's up! 103 one-of-a-kind pages in total -- these are the only original drafts in pencil: every page of DYO, the faq page, the spike-scoots nightmare-night page, and 20 bonus illustrations. in a signed binder, pages in protective sleeves.

the auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/281157062381

If a person were to purchase this, what would be your feelings on an adaptation?

For example, the above posters complaining about dialogue and "exposition dump that would make more sense having the text bubbles switched". What if someone switched them, wrote their own version, posted the stuff?

Meex said:
If a person were to purchase this, what would be your feelings on an adaptation?

For example, the above posters complaining about dialogue and "exposition dump that would make more sense having the text bubbles switched". What if someone switched them, wrote their own version, posted the stuff?

kit and i would be absolutely fine with that under the conditions that:

1. due credit (e.g. "Originally drawn by KitsuneYoukai and written by TwilightStormshi") be given to us somewhere graphically printed on each page posted,

2. the original inkbunny submission for each page be linked from the description and/or comments on your post of the matching page,

3. it be made clear that the only people to whom we give permission to adapt Dragon You Over and related pieces of art are the person who purchased the originals from this auction and any people working directly with that person to adapt them (in other words, this would be akin to us extending the copyright to the auction winner except that that person cannot alter the finished pages KitsuneYoukai has posted, extend copyright to any but those working directly with you to adapt it, or reproduce the pages for your own profit),

4. nothing slanderous, defamatory, or threatening against KitsuneYoukai, TwilightStormshi, Hasbro, or members of the production team for the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic cartoons, related official comics, artbooks, toys, etc. be explicitly or implicitly included in your adaptation(s), and

5. this agreement only goes into effect and is valid upon direct agreement to it by the winner of the above-linked auction in a storable form (e.g. an email) following successful purchase of this comic and related art via the above auction.

we think these conditions are fair if not legally responsible as well. my email is [email protected]. anyone is free to email me to discuss this further or to agree to the deal upon winning the auction.

DAYUM! DATS BOGUS!

Dear TwilightStormshi.

I don't like MLP, but I read this. All of it. I enjoyed having a comic to read with sex in it. Thanks.

Furvert said:
Dear TwilightStormshi.

I don't like MLP, but I read this. All of it. I enjoyed having a comic to read with sex in it. Thanks.

= ) you're welcome.

TwilightStormshi said:
the auction's up! 103 one-of-a-kind pages in total -- these are the only original drafts in pencil: every page of DYO, the faq page, the spike-scoots nightmare-night page, and 20 bonus illustrations. in a signed binder, pages in protective sleeves.

the auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/281157062381

the IB submission about it, showing the finished versions of some of the bonus illustrations: https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=465527

one day left on the auction

TwilightStormshi said:
one day left on the auction

auction over. thank you all for your support! ^-^

What? The comic is over? :(

more please

more please

The End?

is there going to be more?

TwilightStormshi said:
yep, she does. and i'm really sorry about how she didn't = ( we messed up. but the comic's over now, we've spent a year and a half on it, and we've gotta move on to other things for our own sanity.

it's over. That's it! Nooooo!!!! There's so many things that have been left out though! So what happens after this? Every pony just live happily ever after?

G¡ld@_the_GrYph0n said:
it's over. That's it! Nooooo!!!! There's so many things that have been left out though! So what happens after this? Every pony just live happily ever after?

yep and every mare was fucked. The End.

TheOldOne said:
Well, at least the art's nice. Celestia on the other hand acts like such a horrible pony in this part that it just becomes ridiculous.

And yeah, I read your comment about what she said being light teasing between sisters, but I don't think you quite understand what light means (which actually explains a lot about my issues with the characters). Light teasing between sisters would just show the bond between them and how much they care about each other. And, you know, Celestia cares for Luna.

At least, the actual characters do. The Celestia here is pretty much a monster who seems to hate Luna. The stuff she was telling her was not "light teasing." Light teasing is not taking all of a person's mistakes and insecurities and rubbing it in their face. It also doesn't include manipulating them into doing something that will end up ruining their reputation, which is what Celestia does to Luna here (and then calls her a whore...).

I really hope you understand why that wouldn't be light teasing.

It's just, for a comic series trying to take itself seriously, I find it ironic that the one character who should face the consequences of his actions (Spike, and Celestia too considering the beginning) is constantly rewarded throughout the entire series no matter what he does. With that kind of ending, I can't even figure out what the moral of this actually is.

TheOldOne said:
Well, at least the art's nice. Celestia on the other hand acts like such a horrible pony in this part that it just becomes ridiculous.

And yeah, I read your comment about what she said being light teasing between sisters, but I don't think you quite understand what light means (which actually explains a lot about my issues with the characters). Light teasing between sisters would just show the bond between them and how much they care about each other. And, you know, Celestia cares for Luna.

At least, the actual characters do. The Celestia here is pretty much a monster who seems to hate Luna. The stuff she was telling her was not "light teasing." Light teasing is not taking all of a person's mistakes and insecurities and rubbing it in their face. It also doesn't include manipulating them into doing something that will end up ruining their reputation, which is what Celestia does to Luna here (and then calls her a whore...).

I really hope you understand why that wouldn't be light teasing.

It's just, for a comic series trying to take itself seriously, I find it ironic that the one character who should face the consequences of his actions (Spike, and Celestia too considering the beginning) is constantly rewarded throughout the entire series no matter what he does. With that kind of ending, I can't even figure out what the moral of this actually is.

TheOldOne said:
Well, at least the art's nice. Celestia on the other hand acts like such a horrible pony in this part that it just becomes ridiculous.

And yeah, I read your comment about what she said being light teasing between sisters, but I don't think you quite understand what light means (which actually explains a lot about my issues with the characters). Light teasing between sisters would just show the bond between them and how much they care about each other. And, you know, Celestia cares for Luna.

At least, the actual characters do. The Celestia here is pretty much a monster who seems to hate Luna. The stuff she was telling her was not "light teasing." Light teasing is not taking all of a person's mistakes and insecurities and rubbing it in their face. It also doesn't include manipulating them into doing something that will end up ruining their reputation, which is what Celestia does to Luna here (and then calls her a whore...).

I really hope you understand why that wouldn't be light teasing.

It's just, for a comic series trying to take itself seriously, I find it ironic that the one character who should face the consequences of his actions (Spike, and Celestia too considering the beginning) is constantly rewarded throughout the entire series no matter what he does. With that kind of ending, I can't even figure out what the moral of this actually is.

when the hell did you find time to wright all this?

G¡ld@_the_GrYph0n said:
when the hell did you find time to wright all this?

Seriously?

That takes less than 5 minutes to write.

Read the entire comic in one go. Its so LONG!
(*cough*thatswhatshesaid*cough)

WHERE IS LEBACFILMS AT?! I WILL KILL HIM WHEN I FIND HIM!

DO ANY ONE OF YOU KNOW HIM TELL ME NOW!>:(

Jeatz said:
So how many more pages until it's finally over?

0, cause it's already over.

This comic is not done yet...

trollestia strikes again XD

Last page for good? ;[

molstiamolstiamolstiamolstiamolstiamolstiamolstiamolstiamolstia
so much molstia

>Calls student's mate over just to suck and fuck him.
>Shows off to sister, and baits her into fucking him too, just to get her taxes that make no sense anyway put into motion.
>Calls sister a slut.

... WOW making Celestia seem like the scummiest and the sluttiest. .-.

Well, if anyone takes anything from this comic, let it be this:
Yes, the sun WAS in heat. XD

Is there going to be more? Or is this just the end of the comic?

This is the fucking best.

best artist of e621.

CursedLove said:
Is there going to be more? Or is this just the end of the comic?

That's all folks

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3f/e0/e1/3fe0e111282788ee6129d327ddc796bb.gif

looks like...

Celestia had to..

Dragon her over.

Nostalgia

Most interesting, this comic.

Not gonna lie I was laughing at the comic, it's was good but I found some parts funny af for some reason

cursedlove said:
Is there going to be more? Or is this just the end of the comic?

...I think you know