"Does not meet the uploading guidelines"

lmao, it's uploaded by Vksukia herself, pay attention

Was there a recent change to the animation guidelines or something?

croythehorse said:
Is animated?!! Holy moly! Also what's with the flag?

Me thinks it's someone who isn't using their blacklists

Because other feral animations have been flagged as well for no reason

Protect it at all cost!

i cant beleive this got animated! woo hoo!

noice!

I've seen multiple feral animations get flagged, yet none other. I sense a pattern.

halolover69 said:
Got to better then having a barbed prick in her

Barbed pricks aren’t meant to be painful. They’re meant to stimulate. They’re not razors cutting the insides.

foxesrbest said:
Was there a recent change to the animation guidelines or something?

No, just people not liking human x feral stuff, yet there's a bunch of it with sfm and or blender and those don't get flagged but this masterpiece right here does

Keep this in mind people just use blacklist if it's something you don't wanna see, it's that simple

catniplewds literally is the Voiceactor, stop removing her tag lol

good job Make it animated. I like it. It's erotic.

If you're worried it'll get deleted, just download it.

spread-asshole.org said:
"Uploading guidelines" my ass.

And mods wonder why they get hate

It wasn't the mods, anyone can flag a post for anything, most likly was some person who hates on feral art

We should really be able to see who's flagging stuff. E6 should target these abusers and remove them from the platform. All the way down to their IPs.

Okay who's the butthurt person who keeps reporting her stuff this was uploaded by vksuika herself she owns the right to upload her content

werideatdawn said:
"Does not meet the uploading guidelines"

lmao, it's uploaded by Vksukia herself, pay attention

this is happening a lot...so it's safe to assume someone is abusing the report button over content they don't like or to troll

null_sfm said:
Me thinks it's someone who isn't using their blacklists

Because other feral animations have been flagged as well for no reason

definitely looks like it's the case....i swear it's not that hard....i was definitely intimidated by the flow of the site from tagging, uploading, and of course blacklist, so i gave it a go and well its easier than it looks.

although some people just love to complain...and act like there is nothing they can do to improve their situation

loona_queen_of_simps said:
catniplewds literally is the Voiceactor, stop removing her tag lol

Unfortunately, if you pop over to the forums, you can see that the E6 staff have decided voice actors don't get tags. While I disagree with it, that's probably why it's getting removed.

spread-asshole.org said:
"Uploading guidelines" my ass.

And mods wonder why they get hate

Okay, please explain to me why we deserve hate for this?

Anyone can make a flag for pretty much any reason. It's used to alert the staff team about potential issues with the post.
That does not mean the flag is always accurate, or will result in a post being deleted.
It just needs to get reviewed by an approver, and will get dismissed if it's incorrect. Just like I did right now.

Holy shit this is hot! Nothing short of incredible.

Damnnn, I never thought I'd see Catniplewds voice act for something but I'm really glad I checked the Nala tag! Props the the Collab!!!

OH MY SWEET JESUS! THIS IS A BLESSING!

votp said:
Unfortunately, if you pop over to the forums, you can see that the E6 staff have decided voice actors don't get tags. While I disagree with it, that's probably why it's getting removed.

Me and VK are close friends, she tagged me herself when this was uploaded and I should have the right to be included if I worked along side on it, otherwise I guess alternatively we can just remove the sound and delete this post and reupload the soundless version?

catniplewds said:
Me and VK are close friends, she tagged me herself when this was uploaded and I should have the right to be included if I worked along side on it, otherwise I guess alternatively we can just remove the sound and delete this post and reupload the soundless version?

Voice actors deserve as much credit as animators in my opinion. Id prefer just the audio track with no visuals than just the animation with no sound. Not that the animation isn't amazing, the audio just makes it way more amazing.

null_sfm said:
Me thinks it's someone who isn't using their blacklists

Because other feral animations have been flagged as well for no reason

*goes on furry porn website*
*sees furry porn*
*gets angry*

catniplewds said:
Me and VK are close friends, she tagged me herself when this was uploaded and I should have the right to be included if I worked along side on it, otherwise I guess alternatively we can just remove the sound and delete this post and reupload the soundless version?

Hey, you don't need to say it to me, I'm on your side, along with pretty much everyone.

catniplewds said:
Me and VK are close friends, she tagged me herself when this was uploaded and I should have the right to be included if I worked along side on it, otherwise I guess alternatively we can just remove the sound and delete this post and reupload the soundless version?

It isn't a question of if you do or don't deserve credit, we all think you deserve credit. E621 is structured primarily around visuals. As is currently, audio doesn't have an effect on the majority of decisions made around a post. For instance, audio edits of videos without sound technically isn't allowed, but they're approved via a loophole when the visual quality is on par with the original. You're welcome to add on to the forum threads, and further the discussion about it, but changing the tags of the post in a way that goes against the current tagging guidelines will do nothing but cause trouble for yourself. The "solution", while not perfect is to credit voice actors in the description of posts. We've been trying to work on a solution internally, because the current situation is much less than ideal. I'm not sure how far along that is, or how much I should really say about it.

To quote KiraNoot, and NotMeNotYou by proxy when ZiggyZackaryZigZagoon's VA tagging was cleaned up:

Their artist tag was removed because VAs, editors, etc. are not tagged as artists on e6. To quote NotMeNotYou on the subject: "The artist tags are specifically for people that directly worked on making the visual parts of the submission, either drawing the image or posing the 3D models. Voice actors and sound editors are not credited in the tags but can be credited in the description"

You can see the entire thread here.

We're not saying this is how it should be. It's just how it is.

This masterpiece is now animated, perfection.
...
the tailhole is hypnotizing..

I cannot express how much I want a lioness like her to surprise me like that

donovan_dmc said:
It isn't a question of if you do or don't deserve credit, we all think you deserve credit. E621 is structured primarily around visuals. As is currently, audio doesn't have an effect on the majority of decisions made around a post. For instance, audio edits of videos without sound technically isn't allowed, but they're approved via a loophole when the visual quality is on par with the original. You're welcome to add on to the forum threads, and further the discussion about it, but changing the tags of the post in a way that goes against the current tagging guidelines will do nothing but cause trouble for yourself. The "solution", while not perfect is to credit voice actors in the description of posts. We've been trying to work on a solution internally, because the current situation is much less than ideal. I'm not sure how far along that is, or how much I should really say about it.

To quote KiraNoot, and NotMeNotYou by proxy when ZiggyZackaryZigZagoon's VA tagging was cleaned up:
You can see the entire thread here.

We're not saying this is how it should be. It's just how it is.

Rule 34 has been tagging VA's for ages, why can't e621 do the same?
Besides I haven't seen one good explanation how this case here would cause any harm to the site or couldn't it at least go under an exception it's not common for bigger furry artists to collab together on something where one voices the others work. Specially if the uploader is under DNP and the original artist themself decided to tag them.

I'm in utter disbelief that this was actually animated! I can't get over how amazing this is! Incredible and fantastic job!! ❤️

It looks like someone is in heat.

Hot. About time we get a Nala animation

loona_queen_of_simps said:
Rule 34 has been tagging VA's for ages, why can't e621 do the same?
Besides I haven't seen one good explanation how this case here would cause any harm to the site or couldn't it at least go under an exception it's not common for bigger furry artists to collab together on something where one voices the others work. Specially if the uploader is under DNP and the original artist themself decided to tag them.

Tagging VAs is not required on Rule 34 either.

Just to put my own two cents on this, e621 is a visual art site. When I click on Catniplewds to search her stuff, for example, I generally expect to see art drawn by her, not as a voice actor on a post drawn by a completely different artist I might not care about.

I think the issue is more "How do we credit non-visual participants without messing up searches for everybody else?" It'll complicate the tagging system for the average user, both tags and searches. Do we tag VAs just for saying one minor line and nothing else? Should we tag 3D model creators even if they otherwise aren't involved in a piece at all?

It's been mentioned on the forums that the admins are on board with the idea, but even just adding a brand new category for contributors requires significantly changing the site's database.

werideatdawn said:

Just to put my own two cents on this, e621 is a visual art site. When I click on Catniplewds to search his stuff, for example, I generally expect to see art drawn by him, not as a voice actor on a post drawn by a completely different artist I might not care about.

The same could be said of the avoid posting and conditional dnp tags, those are more recurrent and I don't see them suddenly changing the way they work like this.

drifter_fanboy said:
The same could be said of the avoid posting and conditional dnp tags, those are more recurrent and I don't see them suddenly changing the way they work like this.

Also, what if I became a fan of a voice actor and want to see all the animations he or she worked on? regardless of who the artist is

drifter_fanboy said:
The same could be said of the avoid posting and conditional dnp tags, those are more recurrent and I don't see them suddenly changing the way they work like this.

Because it’s not an issue for DNP. All (C)DNP artists have those tags implicated to them when they file a takedown.

drifter_fanboy said:
Also, what if I became a fan of a voice actor and want to see all the animations he or she worked on? regardless of who the artist is

Like I said before, the site specializes in visual art, not audio. Until the site works out a proper solution, the link’s right there in the description if you want to see them on other platforms.

Someone figured out how to make good look even better. Much appreciated!

knickknack said:
We should really be able to see who's flagging stuff. E6 should target these abusers and remove them from the platform. All the way down to their IPs.

E6 cant do shit with their IP. Aside from the fact that both VPN and proxy servers exist in which both can change the visible IP address on connection preventing e6 from seeing the true address and even preventing them from even seeing what country the user is connecting from theres also the fact that anybody with the skill to read or watch a youtube tutorial can renew their routers external address lease in the settings and get a new IP within minutes.

Even the ways bans work would do nothing. I make no exaggeration here when I tell you IP banning is one of the simplest and easiest ban systems to bypass that a child could do it.

This site has no capability to use the more exotic ban systems and never will simply because of the way the site is designed. E6 can't see your MAC address and that can be spoofed in seconds if they did with a simple tool and they certainly cant use HWID banning because it would be far too complex for a simple porn site to implement and can still be bypassed easily by either using a virtual machine to access the site or by simply swapping the positions of a ram stick or hdd in your system.

Bans dont work, they just keep suckers in line with fear because the mods/admins know there's very little they can do if somebody was determined.

werideatdawn said:
Tagging VAs is not required on Rule 34 either.

Just to put my own two cents on this, e621 is a visual art site. When I click on Catniplewds to search his stuff, for example, I generally expect to see art drawn by him, not as a voice actor on a post drawn by a completely different artist I might not care about.

I think the issue is more "How do we credit non-visual participants without messing up searches for everybody else?" It'll complicate the tagging system for the average user, both tags and searches. Do we tag VAs just for saying one minor line and nothing else? Should we tag 3D model creators even if they otherwise aren't involved in a piece at all?

It's been mentioned on the forums that the admins are on board with the idea, but even just adding a brand new category for contributors requires significantly changing the site's database.

Might not be required but still everyone does it specially with bigger VA's like pixiewillow etc. It's basic human decency to include the voice artist alongside the visual artist specially when it's unique collab between two artists like this one.
We have several categories, is it really that difficult to add a new one called "Voice Actors" or "Audio" beneath the "Artist" category?

Also Catniplewds is a she/her in case you missed listening to the vid above lol
She even did a face reveal recently:
https://twitter.com/Catniplewds/status/1655335560406343681

loona_queen_of_simps said:
We have several categories, is it really that difficult to add a new one called "Voice Actors" or "Audio" beneath the "Artist" category?

As multiple people have pointed out in pre-existing forum posts, and as I've heard first hand: Yes. Yes it really would be that difficult. I don't know the technical details, but it's been said plenty of times publicly and internally that it isn't as simple as chucking a new number into the mix.

Really nice animation. I love how you can still hear a click at the end, when the VA wanted to end the recording

werideatdawn said:

Just to put my own two cents on this, e621 is a visual art site. When I click on Catniplewds to search her stuff, for example, I generally expect to see art drawn by her, not as a voice actor on a post drawn by a completely different artist I might not care about.

I love sound_warning's art

Hugh Janus making another appearance XD

Can we stop discussing the site rules and focus on the real problems at hand lika Nala's ass being completely wasted sitting in the open like that.

amazing.

critical_stiban said:
Barbed pricks aren’t meant to be painful. They’re meant to stimulate. They’re not razors cutting the insides.

Lionesses in real life still find them uncomfortable.

I need an anal version. omg

Thes animation facking osm

Can we get one were it's anal?

I need more of this asap

best post on this entire site

alex~bret said:
Can we get one were it's anal?

Bro an Anal version would be amazing!

I would love 2 c an anal version of this very same animation. This was supremely well done. Incredible looking animation indeed! Beautiful!!!

catskill said:
You can't see voice actors.

You can't see sound, either, we shouldn't tag sound, clearly.

votp said:
You can't see sound, either, we shouldn't tag sound, clearly.

We already practically don't. The only sound related tag that's well established is sound. Then, there's a few tags outside of that started and perpetuated by users.

donovan_dmc said:
We already practically don't. The only sound related tag that's well established is sound. Then, there's a few tags outside of that started and perpetuated by users.

Then perhaps we should eliminate the audio tags and have the uploader automatically strip audio tracks from uploaded webm files? Should shave a few terabytes off the server if all the audio from every video file currently uploaded was removed.

votp said:
Then perhaps we should eliminate the audio tags and have the uploader automatically strip audio tracks from uploaded webm files? Should shave a few terabytes off the server if all the audio from every video file currently uploaded was removed.

Being condescending isn't helping anyone. If you'd like to actually have a conversation on it, keep your facetious nonsense to yourself. That's childish at best.

donovan_dmc said:
Being condescending isn't helping anyone. If you'd like to actually have a conversation on it, keep your facetious nonsense to yourself. That's childish at best.

Pointing out the logical follow-through on guidelines as-presented is not "condescending" or "facetious". Genuinely, removing audio tracks from webm files would greatly reduce the filesize. Perhaps this should be taken to a forum topic as part of a more deep debate about just how the site handles nonvisual data tagging, metadata, and similar file elements that fall outside the realm of TWYS?

votp said:
Pointing out the logical follow-through on guidelines as-presented is not "condescending" or "facetious".

Going from "we don't tag audio" to "delete all audio" is not a logical follow-through. You know what you're doing with this.

votp said:
Genuinely, removing audio tracks from webm files would greatly reduce the filesize.

Not really. Not in any meaningful way for individual videos. This video has about 600KiB of audio (587200 bytes). That's about 10% of the 5.5MiB (5721482 bytes) video. If we take the longest video on the site (post #3198545), which comes in at 36 minutes: Its audio is about 22MiB (23148176 bytes). That's about 20% of the 100MiB (104708069 bytes) video. If we take the median here and say that applies to all videos (which it doesn't even come close to, but we're intentionally over-exaggerating), so they have 10MiB of sounds, then audio would add up to a hefty 343GiB. That's a lot, but nothing compared to the site's 7.28TB of files. If we take the more reasonable (but still exaggerated) 1MiB per minute of video, with 109082 minutes of video total, we end up with about 106GiB worth of audio. Compare that to the total size of the videos I counted (35,124): 670GiB

Would this reduce filesize? Globally sure, but I doubt we're really concerned about 100GiB when there's another 570GiB of video right next to that. Individually? Not noticable for most, considering it's about 10% of the overall filesize.

votp said:
Perhaps this should be taken to a forum topic as part of a more deep debate about just how the site handles nonvisual data tagging, metadata, and similar file elements that fall outside the realm of TWYS?

This should be a forum discussion, yeah. Not like there aren't already hundreds that have happened before now, but random comments aren't the place for this.

donovan_dmc said:
Going from "we don't tag audio" to "delete all audio" is not a logical follow-through. You know what you're doing with this.

Not really. Not in any meaningful way for individual videos. This video has about 600KiB of audio (587200 bytes). That's about 10% of the 5.5MiB (5721482 bytes) video. If we take the longest video on the site (post #3198545), which comes in at 36 minutes: Its audio is about 22MiB (23148176 bytes). That's about 20% of the 100MiB (104708069 bytes) video. If we take the median here and say that applies to all videos (which it doesn't even come close to, but we're intentionally over-exaggerating), so they have 10MiB of sounds, then audio would add up to a hefty 343GiB. That's a lot, but nothing compared to the site's 7.28TB of files. If we take the more reasonable (but still exaggerated) 1MiB per minute of video, with 109082 minutes of video total, we end up with about 106GiB worth of audio. Compare that to the total size of the videos I counted (35,124): 670GiB

Would this reduce filesize? Globally sure, but I doubt we're really concerned about 100GiB when there's another 570GiB of video right next to that. Individually? Not noticable for most, considering it's about 10% of the overall filesize.

This should be a forum discussion, yeah. Not like there aren't already hundreds that have happened before now, but random comments aren't the place for this.

I'm late AF to this idk how viable of a solution this is but what if there was a like _(va) you could add to the end of an artist tag to say this is for their voice acting content
Say anon_artist anon_va etc? Would that not be a decent solution? I mean sure it would add more tags but that's not uncommon from what I've seen before, and it would make it easy to identify if your clicking on an artist for their voice acting or drawn art content

The amount of comments is crazy.

golden_egg said:
The amount of comments is crazy.

Fr. People yapping hardcore.

You're a great artist! Her body looks so fit and thick