This is an amazing piece

I don’t get the cub tags on this, the size and proportions don’t seem that out of line from the original design. Pikachu are even one of the few Pokémon that are actually shown to age, what with being the mature form of Pichu.

alkalescent said:
I don’t get the cub tags on this, the size and proportions don’t seem that out of line from the original design. Pikachu are even one of the few Pokémon that are actually shown to age, what with being the mature form of Pichu.

Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Nothing here seems different than normal pikachu here. Unless one was to try and make all feral pikachu posts as young, it makes no sense to have it as young.

alkalescent said:
I don’t get the cub tags on this, the size and proportions don’t seem that out of line from the original design. Pikachu are even one of the few Pokémon that are actually shown to age, what with being the mature form of Pichu.

This was literally why Ninevolt's art wasn't on e621 for some time, and is now conditional DNP. They said this on Twitter and their Discord. Many fully grown pokemon are small.

senpaidesu25 said:
This was literally why Ninevolt's art wasn't on e621 for some time, and is now conditional DNP. They said this on Twitter and their Discord. Many fully grown pokemon are small.

They're locked tags too, very odd.

vulpinepanther said:
They're locked tags too, very odd.

Description also says “All characters are adults” odd

jasporentrophy said:
sure but like Pickachus eventually turn into Raichus so maybe this would be considered a teen cub maybe?.. only because of the conditions of the thunderstone and all the pokedex runs out there

If that were true, every Pikachu picture would be tagged that way. It seems like Ninevolt's stuff in particular is being false flagged as cub, since characters like Pom-Pom and Morgana are also folded in whom also aren't cubs.

alkalescent said:
I don’t get the cub tags on this, the size and proportions don’t seem that out of line from the original design. Pikachu are even one of the few Pokémon that are actually shown to age, what with being the mature form of Pichu.

imahorse said:
Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Nothing here seems different than normal pikachu here. Unless one was to try and make all feral pikachu posts as young, it makes no sense to have it as young.

vulpinepanther said:
They're locked tags too, very odd.

I recommend talking or reporting to the admin who locked the tags if anyone thinks that this or other posts being locked with cub doesn't make sense and have a fair and well thought discussion to why it doesn't make sense for the pikachu to have cub tag locked;
So called "Baby Pokemon" are just "first" evolution on said pokemons, you could hatch an egg from a single evolution pokemon and it would be either occasions, and presenting the famous Old Treecko is a funny one but still relevant because it's canon that evolution doesn't mean it's related to age, if you don't take the anime as canon then I would to question, why are you able to simply stop an evolution from happening in the pokemon games as well for the everstone, can you explain that?

senpaidesu25 said:
This was literally why Ninevolt's art wasn't on e621 for some time, and is now conditional DNP. They said this on Twitter and their Discord. Many fully grown pokemon are small.

9Volt were (almost)always in CDNP, stating that only him could upload art, later to more recently he wanted to come back if the post get locked tag with cub it would need to get removed, he decided to let it be that way and now the CDNP is for only him and me to upload his artwork, i'm also in charge of doing replacements whenever is required, because it's better than flagging and deleting posts;
Also true there are a lot of full grown pokemon that are just small.

samsam00345 said:
Description also says “All characters are adults” odd

Descriptions doesn't necessarily relate to the tags, usually it would be more related to metatags or lore tags.

vulpinepanther said:
If that were true, every Pikachu picture would be tagged that way. It seems like Ninevolt's stuff in particular is being false flagged as cub, since characters like Pom-Pom and Morgana are also folded in whom also aren't cubs.

If you think 9Volt's posts are being targeted and being falsely flagged as cub then go report the one who locked the tags

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If you think 9Volt's posts are being targeted and being falsely flagged as cub then go report the one who locked the tags

We tried but the mods locked the comment section after everyone called them out. They also gave me a warning for abusing the system for reporting a different piece for tag vandalism using information another mod gave me, so...

wicketrin said:
We tried but the mods locked the comment section after everyone called them out. They also gave me a warning for reporting a different piece for tag vandalism using information another mod gave me, so...

Yeah, I'm not one to jump on the "mods be trippin'" train, but honestly this decision will only feed the fire more. There needs to be a proper resolution, and both sides need to be able to see it and agree on it. I used to see it as a question of when, but now it's a question of if. And it's looking like this cycle is doomed to continue indefinitely. If not with the same people, then with newcomers. This seems to be the one thing that never changed, the one thing mods and users are always at odds over.

But this is just my outside view on the matter. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

lilyanida said:
I recommend talking or reporting to the admin who locked the tags if anyone thinks that this or other posts being locked with cub doesn't make sense and have a fair and well thought discussion to why it doesn't make sense for the pikachu to have cub tag locked;
So called "Baby Pokemon" are just "first" evolution on said pokemons, you could hatch an egg from a single evolution pokemon and it would be either occasions, and presenting the famous Old Treecko is a funny one but still relevant because it's canon that evolution doesn't mean it's related to age, if you don't take the anime as canon then I would to question, why are you able to simply stop an evolution from happening in the pokemon games as well for the everstone, can you explain that?

9Volt were (almost)always in CDNP, stating that only him could upload art, later to more recently he wanted to come back if the post get locked tag with cub it would need to get removed, he decided to let it be that way and now the CDNP is for only him and me to upload his artwork, i'm also in charge of doing replacements whenever is required, because it's better than flagging and deleting posts;
Also true there are a lot of full grown pokemon that are just small.

Descriptions doesn't necessarily relate to the tags, usually it would be more related to metatags or lore tags.

If you think 9Volt's posts are being targeted and being falsely flagged as cub then go report the one who locked the tags

That's actually part of the problem. The head administrator of this web site (NotMeNotYou) is essentially condoning Rainbow Dash's tag-vandalism on Talentless' posts. It's a weaponization of the tagging system as a form of harassment, they're attempting to suppress his posts' visibility.

That's what the fuss is about, explicit abuse of power over what is certainly a vendetta.

notmenotyou said:
Vendettas are now announced and warned about in advance? I informed talentlesshack well in advance of the changes to the DNP status he requested that most of what he draws will likely end up being tagged as cub because that is what our tagging guidelines require.

And lo' and behold that is what happened.

We don't care what he or anyone else draws. As long as it meets our uploading guidelines we'll host it, and if an artist doesn't like our tagging guidelines the solution to that is, and always has been, a takedown request.

You reported the exact same post 4 separate times. After already having received an answer on the first ticket that the issue was already reported and appealed on top of that, then proceeded to file the other 3 tickets.

I reported it, was given no information, so being that it’s a way to get into contact with staff that you guys can’t simply ignore I tried again until I was told I could message mods directly and then proceeded to do so, when I finally got information about what is and isnt a cub I made a new report on a separate piece using that information and was given a warning. There were five tickets and I was warned for all of them, even the unrelated.

It’s sort of insulting when your main response to an issue is “shut up we’re right” to everyone right off the bat . At some point it’s ‘tag what the mods say’ not ‘tag what you see.’

notmenotyou said:
I gave you the information up front that it was already handled once and appealed once, and that the decision still stands. If you can't accept that without us showing you every single previous ticket about the same issue that's on you, we're not linking reports from other people to strangers.

You guys didn’t give me any information whatsoever besides “we already looked into it you’re wrong” so I asked for more information on what a cub was and it took 3 tickets to get any information about that. But sure, you’re right and everyone else is wrong. I’m not asking for reports or anything, most everything like changes can be seen publicly. I asked for information on what is and isn’t a cub in the words of a mod, and was warned only after I made the fifth unrelated report using that information. I even asked if any mods would like to reevaluate the statement, but nothing.

wicketrin said:
You guys didn’t give me any information whatsoever besides “we already looked into it you’re wrong” so I asked for more information on what a cub was and it took 3 tickets to get any information about that. But sure, you’re right and everyone else is wrong. I’m not asking for reports or anything, most everything like changes can be seen publicly. I asked for information on what is and isn’t a cub in the words of a mod, and was warned only after I made the fifth unrelated report using that information. I even asked if any mods would like to reevaluate the statement, but nothing.

I don't think that blocking people is the best way to prove your point, but ok I guess. If anything you're showing how little you care about handling stuff in a propper way.

notmenotyou said:
Vendettas are now announced and warned about in advance? I informed talentlesshack well in advance of the changes to the DNP status he requested that most of what he draws will likely end up being tagged as cub because that is what our tagging guidelines require.

And lo' and behold that is what happened.

We don't care what he or anyone else draws. As long as it meets our uploading guidelines we'll host it, and if an artist doesn't like our tagging guidelines the solution to that is, and always has been, a takedown request.

You reported the exact same post 4 separate times. After already having received an answer on the first ticket that the issue was already reported and appealed on top of that, then proceeded to file the other 3 tickets.

I'm not going to pretend to know all about the situation but one thing that's clear to me based on how this is shaking out is that for some reason, the two of you dislike the artist and are actively seeking to suppress his work through the site's design. That is the only explanation as to why you would handle this situation in the manner that you are.

By default, you cannot see cub content on this web site without an account.
And by default, cub is on the blacklist for new accounts.

Rainbow Dash is weaponizing that, and you are allowing it.
Then you turn around and delete the evidence by purging entire comment sections and blocking your opposition from speaking.

I would again like to politely suggest rethinking your handling of the situation.

notmenotyou said:
I gave you the information up front that it was already handled once and appealed once, and that the decision still stands. If you can't accept that without us showing you every single previous ticket about the same issue that's on you, we're not linking reports from other people to strangers.

Then can you explain publicly why this is being listed as cub when there are literally thousands of Pikachu pictures that don't have this tag?

werideatdawn said:
Otherwise, take it easy it’s just a tag.

"Just a tag" that makes-or-breaks the experience.

senpaidesu25 said:
This was literally why Ninevolt's art wasn't on e621 for some time, and is now conditional DNP. They said this on Twitter and their Discord. Many fully grown pokemon are small.

Nine...volt? Dear god... no...

dex_star said:
Then can you explain publicly why this is being listed as cub when there are literally thousands of Pikachu pictures that don't have this tag?

Would you want to be the person that has to go through every pikachu tagged photo and add or remove the tag? Me neither, it's not that i dont want to do it, it's the fact I don't want to go through a tag war and listen to someone complain about it.
I tried that once with stuff I believed was incorrectly tagged cub or not tagged cub, same with young, and absolutely without a doubt it's a losing battle if anyone argues with you. And to be fair I made the mistake of misunderstanding how the young tag worked.
Someone may have complained the tag wasn't added and the mod team may have just locked it in for good measure. Also to be fair there is almost no way to tell the difference between an adult and baby pikachu aside from potentially size, they ARE ready to start murdering each other from day 1 either way. I can't say I agree with the decision made to lock the tag but I can be open minded enough to see the potential for why it was made, in no way shape or form does Pikachu look like an adult animal. It's not hurting the art either way other than blocking non-account holders from seeing it.

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lol comments

Indeed. What a war this is against the mods that are objectively correct because they have the power. And we don't.
A nice read, mostly nothing to do with the submission.

Why the heck has they’re name been changed to talentesshack!..

It's really funny how the admins held grudges against this artist tagging him as cub art to get insta black listed but with real cub porn creators they allow them to be on this site

They're behaving like teenagers and this is what happens when teenagers have any kind of power over others

cinder said:
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Cute pfp