Why not both?

mercrantos said:
Why not both?

Por que no los dos?

it's probably partly because no veterinary expert ever let them in on the little secret that the vulva tissue is thicker, toned, and just bulkier than a human female's resulting in a grip or even a "lock" that's tighter than a sphincter is capable of... EDIT: (plz don't shoot the messenger, forward those grievances to the original publishers)

iller said:
it's probably partly because no veterinary expert ever let them in on the little secret that the vulva tissue is thicker, toned, and just bulkier than a human female's resulting in a grip or even a "lock" that's tighter than a sphincter is capable of... EDIT: (plz don't shoot the messenger, forward those grievances to the original publishers)

Could you explain in terms that Crash Bandicoot could understand?

This but non ironically

pineapplecapple said:
Could you explain in terms that Crash Bandicoot could understand?

Thick skin means tighter grip. Makes breeding easier cause you're locked in. (especially with knot)
Evolution go brrr, but human parts sadge.

No no. It's because most are gay silly.

Jk

espenebs said:
No no. It's because most are gay silly.

Jk

I mean that's not wrong. Most furries ARE gay. I have read some estimates saying that about 80% of male furries are gay.

kovolkenai said:
In my experience, the top image feels just a little too close to zoo a lot of the time

I feel this and how things are drawn are similar to the boat issue.
You have one boat, replacing every plank until it's an entirely new boat. Is it the same boat? even if it looks exactly the same.
Furries are a mix of animals and humans. How much can you replace part by part until it's leaning too far to be a human, or too far to be an animal?
Of course, it's mainly the face and tail, but objectively, it's up to the observer how far things go one way or the other.

I mean this site is all about different kinks/blacklists. I don't like the same thing the next one does to the tee.
But hey! It all in good fun and keeps our paws moving :3

trywhilehigh said:
I feel this and how things are drawn are similar to the boat issue.
You have one boat, replacing every plank until it's an entirely new boat. Is it the same boat? even if it looks exactly the same.
Furries are a mix of animals and humans. How much can you replace part by part until it's leaning too far to be a human, or too far to be an animal?
Of course, it's mainly the face and tail, but objectively, it's up to the observer how far things go one way or the other.

I mean this site is all about different kinks/blacklists. I don't like the same thing the next one does to the tee.
But hey! It all in good fun and keeps our paws moving :3

Theseus is still looking for his ship.

pineapplecapple said:
Could you explain in terms that Crash Bandicoot could understand?

you've got basically a 50 to 75 pound mammal clenching onto another mammal about 15 lbs heavier than it, around a bulb roughly the size of a door knob and the muscled tissue has to keep these two from pulling apart, with almost no bone support directly behind it. You can try this at home by putting your thumb and fore finger around a door knob and then lean back at least 30 degrees. That's how much force this tissue can constantly hold. Its stretchyness can be this limited because it doesn't have to have the long term elasticity of a human vagina as puppies heads are much smaller when they come out (2 months gestation) than human baby heads(9 months).

trywhilehigh said:
I feel this and how things are drawn are similar to the boat issue.
You have one boat, replacing every plank until...

Boats don't talk, dream, be Horny, or live exclusively in fictional universes. Metaphors also have limits to how much they need to be "stretched"

kovolkenai said:
In my experience, the top image feels just a little too close to zoo a lot of the time

Yet both use animal genitalia, meaning both essentially would have to be considered zoo.

Though it feels like the lower one gets away without getting any flak because of it being a dick, imo

Queen_Tyr'ahnee said:

mercrantos said:
Why not both?

Por que no los dos?

Vivan los trabas

mercrantos said:
Why not both?

Both is good.

Just had a conversation about this yesterday.

Everyone has their preferences. For me the more anatomically correct to the species the better. Human genitals just do not look right on any species based on real animals.

Of course I find it funny when people get upset about non human junk being used in some cases, but not others. I's a little hypocritical.

Usually from what I have observed here on E621, when an artist post art of both anatomically correct genitals for the species, and an alt with human genitals, the more anatomically correct piece gets a lot more upvotes, favorites, comments. The difference being in the dozens, to hundreds. It's an interesting experiment. Likewise when an artist post animal junk in their art who normally only creates human junk. They receive TONS of positive interaction.

celestialorigin said:
I mean that's not wrong. Most furries ARE gay. I have read some estimates saying that about 80% of male furries are gay.

That's quite a claim. There's obviously more gay furries than the baseline, but look at this:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=male%2Fmale : 390k
https://e621.net/posts?tags=male%2Ffemale : 526k

Let's assume that the artists will draw what they and their audiences like so this and the number of pieces should be heavily correlated. The male/male category is relatively massive but still gets beaten by the male/female one. Would female furries tilt the numbers so much by being so numerous and straight? If so, then how come there's more female than male pieces overall, too? Also there's probably plenty of bisexual interest which would affect the numbers. Did the bisexuals count as "gay" here?

There is a very interesting wrinkle though:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=female%2Ffemale : 81k

The female/female category is actually super small for some reason. If we assume that male/male would be of interest to the gay male furries and female/female to straight ones, that's how you can get your 80% gay as the first category represents 82% of homosexual art, but we had to deliberately ignore a lot of very big things to get this estimate here.

Honestly, on gods. I especially hate it when furries of all people equate liking the tag canine_pussy to bestiality, while they add another dog cock pic to their 10k+ collection.

How many times must it be made known that liking something in fiction doesn't mean you MUST like it in reality. For example, I like E25's gore art, but real gore freaks me the hell out.

Also, Iller's comment was super sus.

mercrantos said:
Why not both?

both is best

My tinfoil hat theory is it's more to do with how it effects the content of the porn. Speaking as a nsfw artist..

One of the most memorable parts of nsfw content is the "money shot" or climax scene.
So as a result, different species dicks offer different "flavors" of climax scenes.
Examples.
Canine - Get that fat swollen knot in there and lock them in! Goofy chatter about being stuck, puffed cheeks, etc.
Equine/Horse - Extra EXTRA large that stays in the realm of "natural". Total buldge bait. Size queens go-to.
Any Tapered - Variety of sizes, long-short-wide-sharp. Its shape lets you poke into the cervix, maybe it wiggles!

Where as with vaginas.. Well, To be as blunt but hopefully as inoffensive as possible. As far as the porn's concerned.
A hole's a hole.
And given the larger consumers of pron is male. And the Larger of Furry is gay/lgbt. If it's an Anal sex then there's not issue to be given.
For the Straight Male consumers. There's a stronger gravitation for what's more "natural/familiar" to them, so human vags are just generally the most sought after and 'comforting' depiction. And again as far as the porn material goes, "hole's a hole", so there's really not much thought that goes into it. Weather it be human, canid, whale, etc. Once it's getting stretched out and covered/filled with jizz, the distinction is quickly lost/blurred.

Again, just my 2 cents.

Literally me and I'll admit it

iller said:

Boats don't talk, dream, be Horny, or live exclusively in fictional universes. Metaphors also have limits to how much they need to be "stretched"

Neither do jpeg's.
What exactly is your point? Metaphors arent meant to be taken literally, they're exactly useful for drawing a comparsion in a case where no 1 to 1 comparison is obvious to make a point and taking them literally is kind of asinine.

This says a lot about SOCIETY

This is just my own two cents speaking on my own preferences.

The difference between humanoid and canine dicks is much less jarring than that of a humanoid versus canine pussy.

Both humanoid and canine dicks are a cylinder, and the only differences are whether it has a humanoid penis head or a knot and canine penis tip. Same with a horse dick, or any of the hundreds of different dragon/fantasy inspired cocks; at their simplest, it’s a cylindrical shaped sex tool with comparatively minor differences.

The differences in vaginas is way more drastic. What is normally just drawn as practically a slit in between a female’s legs is instead a completely different (much larger) shape, size, and even color. It’s a much more jarring difference than if a penis has a knot or not.

I agree that the community is showing a bias (well, not in a really common way, I rarely saw the person saying what's said above) but I'm guessing that it's because of the "power dynamic" (because at the end of the day both are anatomically accurate non human bits) in the same way where a younger male with an older female is more accepted than the other way around even if it's virtually the same thing.

I still do prefer humanoid parts overall but I don't mind more exotic shapes as long as there's still anthropomorphism/cartoony aspect to the character it belongs to.

Most furries don't understand how knots actually work, either. If you're gonna draw them at least make them work right.

laikasvsd said:
Most furries don't understand how knots actually work, either. If you're gonna draw them at least make them work right.

bro you is knot police

trywhilehigh said:
I feel this and how things are drawn are similar to the boat issue.
You have one boat, replacing every plank until it's an entirely new boat. Is it the same boat? even if it looks exactly the same.
Furries are a mix of animals and humans. How much can you replace part by part until it's leaning too far to be a human, or too far to be an animal?
Of course, it's mainly the face and tail, but objectively, it's up to the observer how far things go one way or the other.

I mean this site is all about different kinks/blacklists. I don't like the same thing the next one does to the tee.
But hey! It all in good fun and keeps our paws moving :3

An animal with a human mind and no other changes is already fully human-compatible.

legitimateparsley said:
That's quite a claim. There's obviously more gay furries than the baseline, but look at this:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=male%2Fmale : 390k
https://e621.net/posts?tags=male%2Ffemale : 526k

Let's assume that the artists will draw what they and their audiences like so this and the number of pieces should be heavily correlated. The male/male category is relatively massive but still gets beaten by the male/female one. Would female furries tilt the numbers so much by being so numerous and straight? If so, then how come there's more female than male pieces overall, too? Also there's probably plenty of bisexual interest which would affect the numbers. Did the bisexuals count as "gay" here?

There is a very interesting wrinkle though:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=female%2Ffemale : 81k

The female/female category is actually super small for some reason. If we assume that male/male would be of interest to the gay male furries and female/female to straight ones, that's how you can get your 80% gay as the first category represents 82% of homosexual art, but we had to deliberately ignore a lot of very big things to get this estimate here.

Art for anthro female enjoyers will very often only have one character in it

devin_arts said:
My tinfoil hat theory is it's more to do with how it effects the content of the porn. Speaking as a nsfw artist..

One of the most memorable parts of nsfw content is the "money shot" or climax scene.
So as a result, different species dicks offer different "flavors" of climax scenes.
Examples.
Canine - Get that fat swollen knot in there and lock them in! Goofy chatter about being stuck, puffed cheeks, etc.
Equine/Horse - Extra EXTRA large that stays in the realm of "natural". Total buldge bait. Size queens go-to.
Any Tapered - Variety of sizes, long-short-wide-sharp. Its shape lets you poke into the cervix, maybe it wiggles!

Where as with vaginas.. Well, To be as blunt but hopefully as inoffensive as possible. As far as the porn's concerned.
A hole's a hole.
And given the larger consumers of pron is male. And the Larger of Furry is gay/lgbt. If it's an Anal sex then there's not issue to be given.
For the Straight Male consumers. There's a stronger gravitation for what's more "natural/familiar" to them, so human vags are just generally the most sought after and 'comforting' depiction. And again as far as the porn material goes, "hole's a hole", so there's really not much thought that goes into it. Weather it be human, canid, whale, etc. Once it's getting stretched out and covered/filled with jizz, the distinction is quickly lost/blurred.

Again, just my 2 cents.

Cookies aren't even the only non-human vaginas that are very attractive. There are those horizontal dragon slits, there is also kangaroo stuff you might know from Lizet. All are hot.

alex771 said:
Art for anthro female enjoyers will very often only have one character in it

Solo pieces are one of the things I considered though: "If so, then how come there's more female than male pieces overall, too?"

Though speaking of, there's one thing I didn't mention which I should have. Sometimes artists will have an androgynous character and then release a picture with them in two version: one with a penis and one with a vagina. The vagina version usually gets more upvotes. And so, idk. "More gays than straights" is shaky by what I've seen (very much personal experience, which a Real Study would trump). 4:1 gays to straights, no.

pineapplecapple said:
Could you explain in terms that Crash Bandicoot could understand?

WHOA

iller said:
a "lock" that's tighter than a sphincter is capable of

Are you sure? Human vaginal muscles can hold 30lbs (world record in 2013) if you train them up. You can improve your muscle control too and milk a male without any thrusting. Sadly few people bother with this sort of training.

mrox said:
Are you sure? Human vaginal muscles can hold 30lbs (world record in 2013) if you train them up.Sadly few people bother with this sort of training.

sorry, was going off the law of averages. Making carve outs for "what is possible with extreme training routines" would require us to follow it to its natural conclusion by trying to biologically synthesize canine-human hybrids just to determine how much force they could exude pulling away from eachother at which point the whole thought experiment gets scrubbed if they have full "orbital" shoulder socket rotation too allowing them also use their arms to push away thus defeating the entire purpose of this biological adaptation

rvgbd said:
Neither do jpeg's.
What exactly is your point? Metaphors arent meant to be taken literally, they're exactly useful for drawing a comparsion

Again, it doesn't work if it's apples to oranges... the boat *is* entirely the sum of its parts and it doesn't suddenly have Sapience bestowed upon it. And even if it did? ... that still wouldn't A) affect its sea-worthiness, or B) make it a self-regenerative carbon based legacy of proteins following a set architecture that suffers catastrophic defects if any of those components are swapped out or rejected by its immune system.

legitimateparsley said:
That's quite a claim. There's obviously more gay furries than the baseline, but look at this:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=male%2Fmale : 390k
https://e621.net/posts?tags=male%2Ffemale : 526k

Let's assume that the artists will draw what they and their audiences like so this and the number of pieces should be heavily correlated. The male/male category is relatively massive but still gets beaten by the male/female one. Would female furries tilt the numbers so much by being so numerous and straight? If so, then how come there's more female than male pieces overall, too? Also there's probably plenty of bisexual interest which would affect the numbers. Did the bisexuals count as "gay" here?

There is a very interesting wrinkle though:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=female%2Ffemale : 81k

The female/female category is actually super small for some reason. If we assume that male/male would be of interest to the gay male furries and female/female to straight ones, that's how you can get your 80% gay as the first category represents 82% of homosexual art, but we had to deliberately ignore a lot of very big things to get this estimate here.

Not everyone visiting e6 is a furry. Many normal nerdy dudes will occasionally look at furry girls. Female focus yiff is popular outside the fandom too, like hentai

syn-6 said:
Not everyone visiting e6 is a furry. Many normal nerdy dudes will occasionally look at furry girls. Female focus yiff is popular outside the fandom too, like hentai

Love your stuff btw.

laikasvsd said:
Most furries don't understand how knots actually work, either. If you're gonna draw them at least make them work right.

no one is willing to search up "how does a knot work" on google

caprine pussy is literally goated but unfortunately such a rare breed..... most humanoid vaginas on this site dont even really resemble human vaginas anyways, theyre usually just slits with a clit, without much detail on the vulva or clitoral hood.

Vast majority of people still prefer human genitals for both, or human-like with extra features at the most. Animal genitals really aren't as popular as novelty dildo sales make it seem, here on e6 where you're bound to see more variety, humanoid penis is at 349k while animal penis is at 266k, while that ratio is more pronounced in more "popular" places. Some people might call it boring but that's just overexposure imo, if you look at say, hentai, animal penis is still treated as a pretty far out there fetish, usually only associated with bestiality and degradation.

And really, anthros as they're most often drawn are still overwhelmingly human, with human body shapes, posture, limbs and most given body functions, no reason human genitals would stick out if you weren't looking for animal genitals specifically.

celestialorigin said:
I mean that's not wrong. Most furries ARE gay. I have read some estimates saying that about 80% of male furries are gay.

Only 80%? Let's get those numbers up
(This is not an attack to straight people btw, just a silly goofy joke)

mercrantos said:
Why not both?

yes you are so right!

alex771 said:
An animal with a human mind and no other changes is already fully human-compatible.

i agree