She is right again
They are not under his roof but hers,while they are still not fully they look mature enough to take care of each other and live semi independently at the apartment. Jayden is acting more as a step-mother than anything else, protecting the twins relationship while trying to keep Keith from doing something that he will regret and alienating his kids forever.

By her actions we can see Jayden cares for the twins and (i think) hope they could form a family all 4 of them, while legally she has no say, she is juggling a live grenade hoping it doesn't blow up

Adults get the house, the twins get the apartment and everyone is happy.... until Serah's pill fails

Damn, Jayden just shooting down each stage of grief in such a professional manner.

Damn! She's a keeper!

ggdk said:
Damn! She's a keeper!

Get yourself a girl who’ll facilitate your kids banging eachother 👌

I agree with Keith, she has crossed the line. She's making decisions about his children without his consent. You cant do stuff like this with underage kids. Keith has sole authority and responsibility. Despite her good intentions, she needs to learn her place and stay out of it.

coolycool909 said:
Get yourself a girl who’ll facilitate your kids banging eachother 👌

I think it's less supporting their incestuous tryst and more trying to make sure he doesn't completely eighty-six his relationship with his offspring simply because something degenerate happened between them. He doesn't have to support something taboo, but they are something precious to him and the last thing he wants to do is destroy not only pleasant memories with his children, but the last remaining remnants of his deceased spouse. You let personal biases get in the way, you'll terminate what remains of the family you're already struggling to keep together.

blaze21 said:
I agree with Keith, she has crossed the line. She's making decisions about his children without his consent. You cant do stuff like this with underage kids. Keith has sole authority and responsibility. Despite her good intentions, she needs to learn her place and stay out of it.

She did not make any decisions about his kids without his consent - she gave them options - they chose what they would do or not do. It is a controlled setting and much better than them having a blow out and running away where no one knows what is going on and they are at the mercy of strangers.

Her 'place' as good person is untarnished - she can do what she wants when she wants and for whatever reason she wants - its called being an adult - just as Keith can decide to leave her if he wants - but he is too much of a coward - that is why he turned to the drink instead of doing right by his kids - the moment Keith turned to the bottle he forsook any claim to being responsible for his kids, you just don't get that back because you want it - you gotta earn it.

blaze21 said:
I agree with Keith, she has crossed the line. She's making decisions about his children without his consent. You cant do stuff like this with underage kids. Keith has sole authority and responsibility. Despite her good intentions, she needs to learn her place and stay out of it.

She didn’t decide anything. They chose to leave. She offered them a roof. Do you think Keith would prefer her to let them to go with option B?

I understand Keith’s position, but he’s not grasping the true depth of the situation and is lashing out at the consequences of his own decision.

Keith, buddy, she never asked you to support it—just to be neutral enough to not break them up, so they can sort things out themselves. Keith’s feelings are completely understandable, but he’s so much luckier than he knows that there’s a neutral third party involved. If there was no Jayden to give the twins a middle ground, they would just run away.

gold255dog said:
She did not make any decisions about his kids without his consent - she gave them options - they chose what they would do or not do. It is a controlled setting and much better than them having a blow out and running away where no one knows what is going on and they are at the mercy of strangers.

Her 'place' as good person is untarnished - she can do what she wants when she wants and for whatever reason she wants - its called being an adult - just as Keith can decide to leave her if he wants - but he is too much of a coward - that is why he turned to the drink instead of doing right by his kids - the moment Keith turned to the bottle he forsook any claim to being responsible for his kids, you just don't get that back because you want it - you gotta earn it.

Him being a "coward" was him afraid of being alone, and he didn't drink. He may have contemplated it, but went against the idea.

bothermenot said:
Him being a "coward" was him afraid of being alone, and he didn't drink. He may have contemplated it, but went against the idea.

*He didn't drink this one time - what about all the other times he did, that his kids were second to the booze - yeah you don't magically get that cred back because you choose one time not to drink.

As smart as Jayden's reply is, it's only a temporary solution.Keith might end up driving over there, while Jayden is asleep.But I more likely see a chapter close soon, with the Sunday breakfast as the gettogether.

blaze21 said:
I agree with Keith, she has crossed the line. She's making decisions about his children without his consent. You cant do stuff like this with underage kids. Keith has sole authority and responsibility. Despite her good intentions, she needs to learn her place and stay out of it.

While I do feel bad for Keith, I have to disagree here. First of all the twins are 18, so they’re legal adults can make their own decisions. Secondly she didn’t make any decisions about the twins, she simply gave them options so they could continue their relationship without going against Keith’s rules. The twins didn’t have to leave, they made that choice on their own, she just provided them with a place to stay.

When she first appeared i thought she wouldn't be likeable chracter, but damn she's like a mom to the twins now.

Loving the realism, it's not all sunshine and rainbows where the solution to every problem is sex

blaze21 said:
I agree with Keith, she has crossed the line. She's making decisions about his children without his consent. You cant do stuff like this with underage kids. Keith has sole authority and responsibility. Despite her good intentions, she needs to learn her place and stay out of it.

From a legal standpoint, this view from the father holds up in court if they are underage. While underage, they cannot make such decisions for themselves. Therefore, another adult facilitating the removal of the parents children would be tantamount to kidnapping. He would have the legal right to press charges against his girlfriend and force her to get the kids back into his custody. If they're the legal age of consent, this changes. Then it's young adults making their own decisions as any other adult does. This is not legal advice, I am not a lawyer, was just raised by lawyers and true crime fanatics.

gold255dog said:
She did not make any decisions about his kids without his consent - she gave them options - they chose what they would do or not do. It is a controlled setting and much better than them having a blow out and running away where no one knows what is going on and they are at the mercy of strangers.

Her 'place' as good person is untarnished - she can do what she wants when she wants and for whatever reason she wants - its called being an adult - just as Keith can decide to leave her if he wants - but he is too much of a coward - that is why he turned to the drink instead of doing right by his kids - the moment Keith turned to the bottle he forsook any claim to being responsible for his kids, you just don't get that back because you want it - you gotta earn it.

She would first have to contact DSS, or the applicable government office to form a case against the father. As far as the law knows, the father in this case is the legal guardian and caretaker, anything else must be proven. Otherwise, the law sees someone who is not the legal guardian facilitating the removal of that guardians children; kidnapping. Unless they are of age, that is how the law would see thay situation by default. This is not legal advice, I'm not a lawyer, was simply raised by lawyers and true crime fanatics.

cyclone said:
While I do feel bad for Keith, I have to disagree here. First of all the twins are 18, so they’re legal adults can make their own decisions. Secondly she didn’t make any decisions about the twins, she simply gave them options so they could continue their relationship without going against Keith’s rules. The twins didn’t have to leave, they made that choice on their own, she just provided them with a place to stay.

Oh that makes things easier. Yeah, they're good.

earthfolf2 said:
She would first have to contact DSS, or the applicable government office to form a case against the father. As far as the law knows, the father in this case is the legal guardian and caretaker, anything else must be proven. Otherwise, the law sees someone who is not the legal guardian facilitating the removal of that guardians children; kidnapping. Unless they are of age, that is how the law would see thay situation by default. This is not legal advice, I'm not a lawyer, was simply raised by lawyers and true crime fanatics.

Legally being a father and actually being a father are 2 different things - I agree if they were underage what Jayden did would be problematic (illegal), that doesn't make Keith in any way a good father. I think he loves his kids but he loves feeling sorry for himself even more which is why he drinks. You can't just wake up one day because something happened that shocked you and magically erase years of drinking and choosing something other than your children first and think that what you say will have sway over anything. No Jayden did not step over the line here Keith did, again and again and again - If anything the kids should have thrown his ass out of the house for being a drunk. He is lucky his kids are so loving and sweet - he does not deserve that and the sooner he realizes that the better off he will be.

earthfolf2 said:
Oh that makes things easier. Yeah, they're good.

Iirc, at some point BK - under duress - begrudgingly declared them 18+. From what I recall, they enjoyed the mystery.

Damn, I’m starting to like Jayden even more

ggdk said:
Damn! She's a keeper!

She always was, he knew her when they were young remember the picture he has of him and her under the one of his deceased wife and young children? Clearly much more to their relation in the past. It honestly makes me think he was with her but due to some sort of peer pressure form family or society he found himself a feline wife. Just a thought I had...

Well, I have no words to contribute, but just look and watch, then see what comes out of the next page.

They're not kids anymore. They may still be developing their maturity, but the twins must travel this path on their own, wherever it may lead, not be ordered to halt by someone else.

xraksis said:
She always was, he knew her when they were young remember the picture he has of him and her under the one of his deceased wife and young children? Clearly much more to their relation in the past. It honestly makes me think he was with her but due to some sort of peer pressure form family or society he found himself a feline wife. Just a thought I had...

From the photo it seems to me like a prom, maybe they were together in high school and had to break up due to her family moving (i guess). I assume because I'm sure Jayden is the ex back in town mentioned by Bethany in the car flashback.

Blaze21 said:
I agree with Keith, she has crossed the line. She's making decisions about his children without his consent. You cant do stuff like this with underage kids. Keith has sole authority and responsibility. Despite her good intentions, she needs to learn her place and stay out of it.

bro is taking the porn comic seriously

xraksis said:
She always was, he knew her when they were young remember the picture he has of him and her under the one of his deceased wife and young children? Clearly much more to their relation in the past. It honestly makes me think he was with her but due to some sort of peer pressure form family or society he found himself a feline wife. Just a thought I had...

I think that he and Jayden had way more of a relationship, and he only ended up with the wife he did because he got her pregnant (he stayed in contact with Jayden though, which his wife did not like, and she remained insecure about being the one "just because you knocked me up"). He was trying to do the right thing but wound up in a broken marriage and loved her just to lose her in a car crash. He was left a single father with two kids, started drinking, but Jayden still stayed in his life and wants what's best for his family.
Even if it turns out the kids are fucking each-other she wants for them to all be reasonable adults and try to work out a functioning family relationship between them because they're all they have. She's a real team-player and she doesn't even get anything out of it, she just wants to see them all be okay.

Incest in porn = fun
Incest in IRL = fucked up
It’s basic math

ggdk said:
Damn! She's a keeper!

she truly is a keeper, she loves Keith but also is already acting like a step-mom to the twins protecting them.

gold255dog said:
*He didn't drink this one time - what about all the other times he did, that his kids were second to the booze - yeah you don't magically get that cred back because you choose one time not to drink.

Second to the- I'm sorry, but they have a roof over their head, clothes on their backs, and food in their bellies.

Is he a picture-perfect attentive father all the time? Of course not! He's still grieving because he never had time to stop and process it.

He was looking his wife in the eyes in the middle of a fight over something stupid in the big picture as that truck ran into them. That image is likely burned into his mind and every time he closes his eyes to try and sleep he sees it. So he drinks until he passes out so he can finally sleep. And otherwise, he is separated emotionally from his children.

That isn't good, yes. But it doesn't make him an evil father for it. Because when his son comes to him, the Father stepped up, as badly wounded and scarred as he was, and did the best he can for his son.

But he has never emotionally attacked them, he has never struck them, and he hasn't neglected them in the key parts. But he is hurt and hurting. And still, he gets up and gets to work on time to make the money needed to see his children through. And when something horrible happened, he manned up to stop his self-medication and think about it properly.

So I'm sorry that he isn't peppy and cooking pancakes for them before running out to get condoms so his son can fuck his daughter.

I honestly feel bad for any father figure who has to live up to these kinds of standards in this situation.

I remember hating Jayden so much in her first appearance... Talk about a reversal of opinion, goddamn...

Jayden is best supporting friend for Keith and the kids. She's truly my favorite character now <3

billybobbybooby said:

Iirc, at some point BK - under duress - begrudgingly declared them 18+. From what I recall, they enjoyed the mystery.

The artist is able to use whatever age for their character that they want as it's their universe and I wont argue with that. But that would either mean that Seb and Serah are exceedingly short (Which is certainly plausible) or their dad is huge. And i'd have to go with the former simply due to the fact that any time they are near an appliance (Sinks, doorknobs, stoves etc) they are at chest height with it.

He's still grieving because he never had time to stop and process it.

Wait, how’s that? It’s been years and it’s not as if he’s been busy raising the kids, what’s been stopping him from processing his grief?

markmoonfang said:
Second to the- I'm sorry, but they have a roof over their head, clothes on their backs, and food in their bellies.

Is he a picture-perfect attentive father all the time? Of course not! He's still grieving because he never had time to stop and process it.

He was looking his wife in the eyes in the middle of a fight over something stupid in the big picture as that truck ran into them. That image is likely burned into his mind and every time he closes his eyes to try and sleep he sees it. So he drinks until he passes out so he can finally sleep. And otherwise, he is separated emotionally from his children.

That isn't good, yes. But it doesn't make him an evil father for it. Because when his son comes to him, the Father stepped up, as badly wounded and scarred as he was, and did the best he can for his son.

But he has never emotionally attacked them, he has never struck them, and he hasn't neglected them in the key parts. But he is hurt and hurting. And still, he gets up and gets to work on time to make the money needed to see his children through. And when something horrible happened, he manned up to stop his self-medication and think about it properly.

So I'm sorry that he isn't peppy and cooking pancakes for them before running out to get condoms so his son can fuck his daughter.

I honestly feel bad for any father figure who has to live up to these kinds of standards in this situation.

I think he loves his kids, just not enough to not drink. I have zero empathy/sympathy for any parent that would choose to drink over their children, it is one of the most selfish things a parent can do. No doubt he is hurting but guess what? His Kids were there when it happened too - hell Serah thinks its her fault. Yeah - this is not some high bar standard, they all should have been in counseling and doing the right thing to move forward, instead you have dad who drinks his troubles away and ignores his children while one of them blames themselves for Mom's death. Then suddenly when he realizes it has gone sideways he wants to step up and call the shots? yeah I don't think so, that is not a high standard that is called if you want to be a father then you need to act like a father and put your children front and center in your life, only now its too late - the time for that was before he started boozing - he has had most of their upbringing to sort himself out and he didn't, he sank into a hole of feeling sorry for himself, he drank, he let his kids suffer emotionally.

dermetzger said:
I remember hating Jayden so much in her first appearance... Talk about a reversal of opinion, goddamn...

Well she was a bit bitchy back then, and it was implied she stole money from Keith after providing him her services. Contrast from then and now is certainly an interesting development.

gold255dog said:
I think he loves his kids, just not enough to not drink. I have zero empathy/sympathy for any parent that would choose to drink over their children, it is one of the most selfish things a parent can do. No doubt he is hurting but guess what? His Kids were there when it happened too - hell Serah thinks its her fault. Yeah - this is not some high bar standard, they all should have been in counseling and doing the right thing to move forward, instead you have dad who drinks his troubles away and ignores his children while one of them blames themselves for Mom's death. Then suddenly when he realizes it has gone sideways he wants to step up and call the shots? yeah I don't think so, that is not a high standard that is called if you want to be a father then you need to act like a father and put your children front and center in your life, only now its too late - the time for that was before he started boozing - he has had most of their upbringing to sort himself out and he didn't, he sank into a hole of feeling sorry for himself, he drank, he let his kids suffer emotionally.

You're not entirely wrong, but such a heavy loss is not something one can easily move on from and continue with life as normal. This wasn't simply someone being addicted to alcohol, this was someone trying their best to deal with the pain of losing a loved one. And even with all that pain, he still tried his best to be there for them, take care of them, while still trying to deal with it. This isn't a situation that can be so easily judged from one side.

I was just going to comment that I'm surprised that Keith didn't go pounding out the door after them. That Jayden is the voice of reason for him. That it's a pretty big leap for her to care so much about the twins that she would lend they her apartment. But then...

I did a double take at the first panel. Is this the first time we see that Jayden has hooves? I mean yah she is a Zebra after all and what else did I expect, blah blah blah. But well... is it?

No, no she's got a point

irlemperorofrome said:
Wait, how’s that? It’s been years and it’s not as if he’s been busy raising the kids, what’s been stopping him from processing his grief?

Processing grief is different for everyone, dude probably wonders "what if" every time he looks at his kids and then blames himself for their situation because he can't bring himself to realize it wasn't all his fault. And now here he is, blaming himself again. He is what is stopping him from processing his grief.

arty_wolf said:
Well she was a bit bitchy back then, and it was implied she stole money from Keith after providing him her services. Contrast from then and now is certainly an interesting development.

I think Jayden's character changed during the course of the story. Back during breakfast when Keith noticed the empty wallet, Jayden was maybe thought just as a hooker and not his ex, because he didn't remember her name. She grew as the story developed.

carnivore4lyf said:
You're not entirely wrong, but such a heavy loss is not something one can easily move on from and continue with life as normal. This wasn't simply someone being addicted to alcohol, this was someone trying their best to deal with the pain of losing a loved one. And even with all that pain, he still tried his best to be there for them, take care of them, while still trying to deal with it. This isn't a situation that can be so easily judged from one side.

You are right, and I don't hate Keith I feel bad for him as well - it just sucks all around. My issue is that you can't wake up someday from your grief and just assume things are as they were. I do think it is wrong he did not get his kids into counseling, especially for Serah who blames herself for the mother's death - that is a terrible thing to weigh on a child. I think Keith went through the motions - I think a lot of people function like this after a terrible loss and when the motions are not enough to keep the pain away they self medicate. It is ironic to me that he wants to interfere with his children processing their own grief in their own way.

whatisablacklist said:
What she's doing, if Keith were so Inclined, is kidnapping. No they're not held against their will, but she's blocking his access to them.

Don't get me wrong I love this comic, but just saying. There's alot of real discussion which is neat, but ultimately she's getting herself in a ton of trouble if Keith decided to press charges.

Is she actually blocking access to them though? She never said that they were at the house, and when Keith wanted to know where they were, she let him know right away. She hasn't said that he can't see them, she just gave her opinion. Of course things could escalate, but they haven't yet.

I am seeing a lot of debate on whether or not Jayden had the right to do what she did for the twins. While yes Keith is their father and Jayden is a fling of his and not their parent in any way shape or form, she has been more of a parent for them than Keith has been. That and the twins are of legal age to make their own decisions and Jayden did not tell them do do anything, she offered them options and kept them informed on how things were going with their dad. At the end of the day she pushed lines yes but she did not cross any. The twins get to experience what their choices bring, Keith is separated from them temporarily to allow them to make their choices and potentially experience the consequences of their actions and Jayden (in my opinion) is potentially going to try and counsel Keith and get him to understand and figure out what the proper course of action for him to take to not cause a rift between him and the twins. Not to mention Keith reminds me quite heavily of my own dad and that tells me he would have probably pushed them to move out after graduation regardless of their relationship happening or not. Regardless of how Keith feels his time living with his children was going to come to an end relatively soon be it by him pushing them to move out, them getting jobs and moving out on their own or this while cluster of a situation turning out the way it currently is. I feel Keith having time away from them for a little while will help him collect his thoughts properly, a few hours on a cliff contemplating drinking a few beers is not enough time to compose yourself and your thoughts no matter how your mind works. I feel this will work out in a way that potentially ends with Jayden becoming their step mother, Keith coming to terms with the fact that he has no say in whether they sleep together or not and the twins experiencing for themselves what the consequences of their actions are. Whether or not the twins stay together after the consequences (besides their dad) start to crop up is too far ahead for me to even speculate on at this point but I do look forward to seeing how this plays out from here. Also no these are not biased opinions, this is how things would work here where I live which is in the United States. What I said is based on my local laws, social taboos and other factors based on where I live which if they live in a furry equivalent of the United States which to me it kind of looks like then that is how I think this will play out. You can't control a legal adult and not expect consequences. Yes I know bosses to it quite frequently and in my opinion a lot of them deserve the mafia treatment but that is not something I will go any further into as that is off topic. Do with my words what you will. I think things will take some time but start to work out hopefully.

whatisablacklist said:
What she's doing, if Keith were so Inclined, is kidnapping. No they're not held against their will, but she's blocking his access to them.

Don't get me wrong I love this comic, but just saying. There's alot of real discussion which is neat, but ultimately she's getting herself in a ton of trouble if Keith decided to press charges.

Again, no he can’t, as the twins are 18.

That’s entirely moot, though, as there is a negative chance that Keith would be willing to air out the laundry of his children’s taboo in a court of law. Besides, he knows how stubborn at least Serah is. That would accomplish nothing but ensuring they hate Keith forever.

I want to see them fuck now lol.

ed935 said:
When she first appeared i thought she wouldn't be likeable chracter, but damn she's like a mom to the twins now.

I'm kinda hoping she actually becomes their mother by the end of this.

gold255dog said:
Legally being a father and actually being a father are 2 different things - I agree if they were underage what Jayden did would be problematic (illegal), that doesn't make Keith in any way a good father. I think he loves his kids but he loves feeling sorry for himself even more which is why he drinks. You can't just wake up one day because something happened that shocked you and magically erase years of drinking and choosing something other than your children first and think that what you say will have sway over anything. No Jayden did not step over the line here Keith did, again and again and again - If anything the kids should have thrown his ass out of the house for being a drunk. He is lucky his kids are so loving and sweet - he does not deserve that and the sooner he realizes that the better off he will be.

I agree that he’s feeling sorry for himself.., but he’s also got that sudden realization that he’s messed up more.., and while his 18 twins made a impetuous choice to engage in sexual relations.. he’s realizing he put them in a position where hormones took charge.

Keith is trying to figure out how to UN-screw up the situation he made.

Keith is so handsome in the third panel

"It's cool, Keith, what are a few potential mutants and societal death to the children you reared despite all the hardships? Don't be such a stickler about your bloodline. So what if your grandkids might be Habsburgs, its cool. Just let your children fuck one another, Keith."

This is just my opinion, but if Bethany were still alive, someone should've gave her and Keith a BRUTAL (but fair) verbal dressing down for their behavior.

I mean, the way they acted in the comic made me sick to my stomach. I'm not trying to take this seriously, but the smartest thing they would've done is seek some form of marriage counseling.

To be honest, I'm not really sure who or WHAT caused the stupid argument, but either way, both should have been called out by Jayden or whoever else I'm sure. Chances are, she would've taken the kids and left both Keith and Bethany to try and fix their marriage.

Or screw it up even further...

Sorry, but I'm kinda new to this comic. I'm just looking at this from my personal perspective.

She's a better and kinder person than she makes herself out to be. Hell I would be thanking her

blaze21 said:
I agree with Keith, she has crossed the line. She's making decisions about his children without his consent. You cant do stuff like this with underage kids. Keith has sole authority and responsibility. Despite her good intentions, she needs to learn her place and stay out of it.

Id like to add to this that this is the "My kids are my legal property" approach to this situation.

Children are people and this situation is complicated. The "fatherly" approach to this would be rational but would make the twins run away, and that would be scary and dangerous for everyone involved.

Even if she did "overstep" she is putting in the legwork to keep this family together, which is the much MUCH more important thing here.