Edgy, innit?

This is a good example of how to make someone embarrassed to share the same opinion as you

There's a reason people gatekeep their communities and you're one of them.

I'm genuinely curious as to why this is getting downvoted. Is it the gore? The "let's promote degeneracy" part? I don't get it.

aalix said:
I'm genuinely curious as to why this is getting downvoted. Is it the gore? The "let's promote degeneracy" part? I don't get it.

probably the "degeneracy is a nazi dog whistle part." They worded it like calling out someone for doing immoral sexual acts automatically means you're Hitler or something.

When "let people enjoy fiction" doesn't get the point across.

damnpeggy said:
probably the "degeneracy is a nazi dog whistle part." They worded it like calling out someone for doing immoral sexual acts automatically means you're Hitler or something.

I mean, I understand what degeneracy means, but nowadays when people use it, it's usually to kink-shame others. Do you enjoy feral content? Degenerate. Inflation? Degenerate. Vore? Degenerate. This is e621, for god's sake! A literal sanctuary for degeneracy. What's so wrong about saying "hey, if you're constantly trying to regulate what other people should not enjoy, you're behaving like Hitler"?

I agree with the "Keep Furries un-marketable for corporations", the last thing we need is "representation" - that never turns out good for the groups they want to help.

aalix said:
I mean, I understand what degeneracy means, but nowadays when people use it, it's usually to kink-shame others. Do you enjoy feral content? Degenerate. Inflation? Degenerate. Vore? Degenerate. This is e621, for god's sake! A literal sanctuary for degeneracy. What's so wrong about saying "hey, if you're constantly trying to regulate what other people should not enjoy, you're behaving like Hitler"?

To be fair, "Nazi" gets thrown around inflationary as well for everybody that disagrees to something. Isn't it a bit extreme to always compare trivial stuff with a regime that industrialized genocide?

To be fair, "Nazi" gets thrown around inflationary as well for everybody that disagrees to something. I know my country's history well and get it, but isn't it a bit extreme to always compare trivial stuff with a regime that industrialized genocide?

That's a fair point and I agree that the whole thing could be better worded, but I think the overall message is the important part of this illustration. I'm personally tired of people trying to restrict fictional content for others because they have a sense of "moral superiority", but I guess that's either not a popular opinion, or they just didn't like the way the message was worded (even if they agree with it).

Didn’t know Hobie Brown was a furry 👀

puropuroprisoner said:
There's a reason people gatekeep their communities and you're one of them.

How is Gutter-bunny the reason people gatekeep? She literally made this on response to puriteens trying to police the furry community and shame people for their fetishes which started from people harassing HearthFox and Kaim

Fuck yeah! Unironically 100% correct. Been in this fandom so long my fursona's existence is old enough to drink, and this shit that the new puriteens are doing? You're just the Burned Furs all over again.

damnpeggy said:
probably the "degeneracy is a nazi dog whistle part." They worded it like calling out someone for doing immoral sexual acts automatically means you're Hitler or something.

it literally is. they wholeheartedly subscribed to "social degeneration" theory. it was a core part of their propaganda and tactics and the justification for their slaughter of jews, black people, trans people, gay people, and disabled people. every time you call someone a "degenerate" even as a joke you're giving that belief life.

no_one_in_particular said:
The problem with this kind of attitude is that everyone has a limit. And everyone's limit is something different. You may look at a dick covered in smegma and not blink, the guy next to you is rolling on the ground vomiting. And the reverse is true there's something he can tolerate, and you can't. And if everything is just a-ok no matter what then eventually something will come up that disgusts both of you, but neither is allowed to do anything about it.

So? Good. "Disgust" is not a moral precept. Mind your own business.

Idk what's happening here

I guess life is just too good for some people, so they need to invent problems to get angry about.

goobie_ii said:
Idk what's happening here

Trans enby made art pointing out that calling art you don't like "degeneracy" is literally nazi rhetoric, and the nazis and the people falling for their propaganda are mad that someone called them on it

greenjack said:
Trans enby made art pointing out that calling art you don't like "degeneracy" is literally nazi rhetoric, and the nazis and the people falling for their propaganda are mad that someone called them on it

Ooh okay that makes sense now, thanks.

Burned Furs? Is that even a thing anymore? I thought they all got laughed out of the fandom more than 20 years ago.

fricken'chog said:
Burned Furs? Is that even a thing anymore? I thought they all got laughed out of the fandom more than 20 years ago.

Their spirit still lives on

I'm not even going to try to dissect this.

psychuan said:
it literally is. they wholeheartedly subscribed to "social degeneration" theory. it was a core part of their propaganda and tactics and the justification for their slaughter of jews, black people, trans people, gay people, and disabled people. every time you call someone a "degenerate" even as a joke you're giving that belief life.

I genuinely try my hardest not to get tangled in pointless internet drama, but sometimes I see a take so questionable that I can't help it.

Being a part of a community with a bad reputation is going to make people not like you. It's inevitable. Even people within your group are going to find someway to dislike you. You just have to learn to let go of those people.

However, the part I'm most concerned about it you comparing other people's sexual distastes to fascism. There are just some people that take it too far. Zoophilia and Pedophilia are unfortunately common practices in this fandom. The problem lies with consumption of degenerate media.

That being said, I think most kinks are acceptable as long as it's in the realm of legality. I could really care less about that. I mean, I'm on a furry porn site for God's sake.

However, there are some people associated with some kinks that I stray away from. These being cub, zoophilia, rape, and things like that. It's been proven time and time again that consumption of this media leads to real life consequences. One of the most important cases is probably Jared Fogle, who ran an underground ring of child porn for several years before people caught on. It all started because he figured his sexual fantasies of fucking little kids was "normal."

Comparing people disgusted by rape and child porn to people that killed over six million innocent adults and children using some of the most inhumane ways of cruel and unusual punishment involving Zyklon B is outlandish.

The reason most people don't take accusations of "Nazis," "Racists," or "Bigots," seriously is because they often hold little to no regard for humans that actually are "Nazis," "Racists," or "Bigots."

I hope anyone reading this can realize that some things are just too far. If you constantly consume things like cub art, (which is illegal, but the government doesn't take it that seriously) then please seek help. Disappointingly, you can't "blacklist" your brain's overwhelming need to go out and rape innocent people or believe that kids and animals can consent.

damnpeggy said:
I genuinely try my hardest not to get tangled in pointless internet drama, but sometimes I see a take so questionable that I can't help it.

Being a part of a community with a bad reputation is going to make people not like you. It's inevitable. Even people within your group are going to find someway to dislike you. You just have to learn to let go of those people.

However, the part I'm most concerned about it you comparing other people's sexual distastes to fascism. There are just some people that take it too far. Zoophilia and Pedophilia are unfortunately common practices in this fandom. The problem lies with consumption of degenerate media.

That being said, I think most kinks are acceptable as long as it's in the realm of legality. I could really care less about that. I mean, I'm on a furry porn site for God's sake.

However, there are some people associated with some kinks that I stray away from. These being cub, zoophilia, rape, and things like that. It's been proven time and time again that consumption of this media leads to real life consequences. One of the most important cases is probably Jared Fogle, who ran an underground ring of child porn for several years before people caught on. It all started because he figured his sexual fantasies of fucking little kids was "normal."

Comparing people disgusted by rape and child porn to people that killed over six million innocent adults and children using some of the most inhumane ways of cruel and unusual punishment involving Zyklon B is outlandish.

The reason most people don't take accusations of "Nazis," "Racists," or "Bigots," seriously is because they often hold little to no regard for humans that actually are "Nazis," "Racists," or "Bigots."

I hope anyone reading this can realize that some things are just too far. If you constantly consume things like cub art, (which is illegal, but the government doesn't take it that seriously) then please seek help. Disappointingly, you can't "blacklist" your brain's overwhelming need to go out and rape innocent people or believe that kids and animals can consent.

Gonna have to contest that notion that consumption of "questionable" content will lead to enacting said actions IRL (at least the way it's being assumed here). Now yes, if someone does constantly and endlessly consume such content, then yes, that could eventually lead to an incident in reality. That said, there are two factors that are glossed over here. 1: That this is along the lines of an addiction. And 2: The mental state of the individual in question.

An accurate comparison for this would be the Sandy Hook incident. Those two were well known for being avid fans of doom, as well as being metal fans ( then even listened to Rammstein, who caught some heat after the incident). Now, we can look back on that and realize that they were individuals who weren't in the greatest mental state. At the time, however, all forms of media were to blame, from video games and music to even Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

The reality is that these pieces of media are not the source for these incidents. Yes, they can be a catalyst in certain situations, but anything can be with the right circumstances. Are suger and salt the blame for someone being obese and having type II diabetes, or their inability to cut out or even cut back on such foods? In the end, it's not the media, but the individual that's the problem. It's not the media that creates this conditions.

This takes me back to the ending quip on SCP 804: World Without Man. "They simply wanted to do it."

Keep furry weird and un-marketable for corporations

Oh, please, most of the fandom loves being pandered to by corporations. Zootopia and its characters are widely popular despite the fact that it's well known that it was marketed towards furries.

aalix said:
I'm genuinely curious as to why this is getting downvoted. Is it the gore? The "let's promote degeneracy" part? I don't get it.

It literally says “Kill prudes” maybe

I think a call to violence against people over something like this is hard to spin as anything less than totally demented on part of the author

y0ur_m0mma said:
Oh, please, most of the fandom loves being pandered to by corporations. Zootopia and its characters are widely popular despite the fact that it's well known that it was marketed towards furries.

I always say this yeah. Look how excited furries get over [latest video game with anthro character]. Look at the Pokesonas. Look at the abject worship of Disney products. But god forbid Pepsi tries to market to them, nosiree, furries are toooo smart for that corporate subversion! Let me just log in to FA with its Zootopia themed banner to look at art of Nintendo characters.

shadethehyena said:
Edgy, innit?

So edgy, I nearly cut myself just looking at this

Like if they show you a baby and you say "it's beautiful" and if you don't think that in your mind, you're not being sincere but if you say "it's really horrible" it sounds ugly

A call to destroy fascism while simultaneously advocating for the murder of people who disagree with you will never fail to get a chuckle out of me.

For those unaware, this was a response to a different edgy piece of art that lumped anyone (and yes, anyone) who liked paws, anatomically accurate genitals, feral characters, or traits of feral characters (digi legs, or quadrupedal characters in general) in with zoophilia. Basically if you like any of the listed stuff above, they're calling you an animal abuser. This was of course stated by some kink-adverse just-of-age "puriteen" furs that see it as their duty to "fix" the Fandom.

The message retorted (this art) is sloppily conveyed but I ultimately agree with the gist: stop trying to "fix" the Fandom by removing kinks that you personally don't like. Its the discourse wheel spinning as it does.
"Pup hoods are sus."
"Babyfur is sus."
"Knots/flares are sus."

If you dislike those things, fantastic. There's the door. Leave.

whitehyena said:
For those unaware, this was a response to a different edgy piece of art that lumped anyone (and yes, anyone) who liked paws, anatomically accurate genitals, feral characters, or traits of feral characters (digi legs, or quadrupedal characters in general) in with zoophilia. Basically if you like any of the listed stuff above, they're calling you an animal abuser. This was of course stated by some kink-adverse just-of-age "puriteen" furs that see it as their duty to "fix" the Fandom.

The message retorted (this art) is sloppily conveyed but I ultimately agree with the gist: stop trying to "fix" the Fandom by removing kinks that you personally don't like. Its the discourse wheel spinning as it does.
"Pup hoods are sus."
"Babyfur is sus."
"Knots/flares are sus."

If you dislike those things, fantastic. There's the door. Leave.

I added the post it's in response to as the parent post

smuglytherat said:
I added the post it's in response to as the parent post

Thank you. Sadly, the initial post seems to have been deleted.

whitehyena said:
Thank you. Sadly, the initial post seems to have been deleted.

I kinda figured they would eventually

carnivore4lyf said:

An accurate comparison for this would be the Sandy Hook incident. Those two were well known for being avid fans of doom, as well as being metal fans ( then even listened to Rammstein, who caught some heat after the incident). Now, we can look back on that and realize that they were individuals who weren't in the greatest mental state. At the time, however, all forms of media were to blame, from video games and music to even Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

Just want to make a minor correction: there was only one shooter at Sandy Hook. You're thinking of the Columbine incident, which had two shooters.

y0ur_m0mma said:
Oh, please, most of the fandom loves being pandered to by corporations. Zootopia and its characters are widely popular despite the fact that it's well known that it was marketed towards furries.

Because it happens so rarely, because we're not that tidy middle-of-the-road group that corporations like to market to, we're sex positive and generally skeptical of things corporations like, like right-wing politicians and unchecked capitalism.

Wow what a shame. I use to really like gutter bunny as an artist and was debating supporting their patron, but I can't get behind radical views and calls for violence from either the far right or the far left. I shouldn't really be surprised though, oh well. People who want civility and reason and find themselves middle of the road continue to get more and more ostracized.

the_vile_critic said:
Wow what a shame. I use to really like gutter bunny as an artist and was debating supporting their patron, but I can't get behind radical views and calls for violence from either the far right or the far left. I shouldn't really be surprised though, oh well. People who want civility and reason and find themselves middle of the road continue to get more and more ostracized.

Ah yes, enlightened centrism.

"Hey dude, could you maybe not sexualize animals?" is fascist somehow

acrusader said:
"Hey dude, could you maybe not sexualize animals?" is fascist somehow

This image was made in response to this

https://twitter.com/Grey_IsTrue/status/1678614113533181954?t=39PkS9ljoGgxzKM9xx0-eQ&s=19

smuglytherat said:
This image was made in response to this

https://twitter.com/Grey_IsTrue/status/1678614113533181954?t=39PkS9ljoGgxzKM9xx0-eQ&s=19

Yeah, still not even remotely fascist. The post was cringe asf, but you have to go through some SEVERE mental gymnastics to think this is anti-queer

acrusader said:
Yeah, still not even remotely fascist. The post was cringe asf, but you have to go through some SEVERE mental gymnastics to think this is anti-queer

Someone on the original post on here made a comment supposedly pointing out everything that makes it fascist. If you're curious, here's a link
post #4163693

Corny as fuck

cinder said:
Ah yes, enlightened centrism.
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Yeah a based position

locustdc said:

cinder said:
Ah yes, enlightened centrism.
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Yeah a based position

No, it's kind of a useless and pretentious one

bdg said:
A call to destroy fascism while simultaneously advocating for the murder of people who disagree with you will never fail to get a chuckle out of me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

cinder said:
Ah yes, enlightened centrism.

You do no service using "enlightened centrism" as a pejorative, as it sounds like the type of thing one would say as a fringe extremist who hates that anyone would ever try to avoid hypocrisy instead of mindlessly joining the frenzy without any brakes. The post is literally calling to murder "prudes" and you pull the enlightened centrist card on someone who doesn't fall in line with this insane call to violence? I should hope everyone would be an "enlightened centrist," then.

lekkiyo said:
You do no service using "enlightened centrism" as a pejorative, as it sounds like the type of thing one would say as a fringe extremist who hates that anyone would ever try to avoid hypocrisy instead of mindlessly joining the frenzy without any brakes. The post is literally calling to murder "prudes" and you pull the enlightened centrist card on someone who doesn't fall in line with this insane call to violence? I should hope everyone would be an "enlightened centrist," then.

TBF, he does have a point. Back when I dipped into political discourse, most centrist I've seen typically thrashed both sides as being rotten. If anything, I've seen more nuanced viewpoints from open minded people on both sides, people that can acknowledge the good points each side bring up while still calling out where each side falls short. Being middle road doesn't necessarily make you "enlightened," it just means you don't really side with the values of one side or the other, for better or for worse.

YA, I hate the things you list hear, But it reminds me of when my co-worker had a "church of statan" sticker on his watterbottle. I told him i may hate hedonist but pissing off conservative white ppl is always more fun, and he said "thats my goal watch em squirm."

see the problem is when you say: "(we) are oppressed and under attack by (social enemy) and I say kill em all, so never talk to (our enmy)" your hitting on fascism talking points dosn't matter what your cause is.
so long as you put the blame for your problem in a "oppressive" group that actually cant fight back, You are a fascist. "kill em all" is a dog whistle weather you realize it or not.

even if i agree with your img, you cant __JUST__ enjoy shit, you need to keep asking why and what it means to the things you want or do.

shadethehyena said:
Edgy, innit?

Yea, this be projecting, i can sense it. (give yea upvote)

acrusader said:
"Hey dude, could you maybe not sexualize animals?" is fascist somehow

You are literally on the furry porn website

"kill prudes"? What'd they do to you??? That's a bit extreme.

fur_rulz said:
"kill prudes"? What'd they do to you??? That's a bit extreme.

I think it's important to realize that prudes aren't people who personally don't find sex appealing, but go a step further and actively judge others to the point of bigotry not limited to but including homophobia, transphobia, ethical non-monogomy, even bring anti-furry ect. And they do try to inpose their wills on others, sometimes even systematically so I do think it's fair to feel contempt for prudes, especially if you grew up in an environment where they hurt you

smuglytherat said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Took a part of that and wanted to post it here:

Less well known [than other paradoxes] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

I think this does encapsulate very well the way I feel about this, I don't give two shits if this person feels the way that they feel, but the fact that they want to promote and push this without any kind of proper discourse is a problem, and the fact that they have such a blind loyalty to the misinformation that they spout, without even considering the nuances of everything revolving around it, makes this extremely dangerous. I already live in a post-Trump dystopia that is getting worse and worse because there are too many people who are blinded by this kind of unchecked reality, and it's creating more and more problems as time goes on.

I appreciate the people who want to call this out, and sometimes you just have to fight to make the right call. I know this is going way out of the scope of the context, but I think it's important to think about a lot of the hypocrisy inside of this community, and that while this particular discussion revolves around the conceptualization of these things, I still see comments up here that are completely condemning individuals who do in fact find the real thing attractive, and I don't see how you are able to make such a call without actually having a conversation regarding that.

Again, just because you don't understand it or can't comprehend within your own head that this does exist, doesn't mean that you get to automatically write off anybody who may have a legitimate disagreement in regards to that. I didn't choose life, the life chose me, and frankly, it's hard to exist in a space that you think has your back, all the while every single thing that you see is pointing to the opposite of that. I would rather see my enemy than be surrounded by a bunch of fakers.

So yeah, I expect repercussions for my post, but that is also my point: The fact that there is no proper discourse for this type of thing where people can pass judgment carefree but not consider the people who might actually have to deal with this, that really sucks, and considering how many different walks of life live in this community, it really is kind of shitty. I usually lurk because I know that there is a lack of tolerance for certain viewpoints on many of these sites, and I know there's a time and a place for this, but I felt like this was it.

whitehyena said:
For those unaware, this was a response to a different edgy piece of art that lumped anyone (and yes, anyone) who liked paws, anatomically accurate genitals, feral characters, or traits of feral characters (digi legs, or quadrupedal characters in general) in with zoophilia. Basically if you like any of the listed stuff above, they're calling you an animal abuser. This was of course stated by some kink-adverse just-of-age "puriteen" furs that see it as their duty to "fix" the Fandom.

The message retorted (this art) is sloppily conveyed but I ultimately agree with the gist: stop trying to "fix" the Fandom by removing kinks that you personally don't like. Its the discourse wheel spinning as it does.
"Pup hoods are sus."
"Babyfur is sus."
"Knots/flares are sus."

If you dislike those things, fantastic. There's the door. Leave.

""Babyfur is sus""

ironically the artist made this over the "feral porn is bad" furry twitter crowd when someone mention this includes loli/shota and cub too and said artist said no. it's so fucking weird for someone that is into/is fine with feral porn and fictional bestiality but love to play glass houses when it comes to lolishota. and it's not the first time i have seen it happen.

there's this one artist on twitter made a whole ass thread on fiction is fiction cus they got called a zoo for their feral porn and end it lolishota don't count. turns out they faved some cub porn made by very popular cub artists on their e621, after pointing out their hypocrisy, their e621 favs now private.

Politics? in my E621? It's more likely than you'd think

Also, didn't the burned furs fizzle out in like, 2003? Why does this piece of art bring them up specifically?

Burned Fur? Now that's a term from ages past!

3edgy5me

I like the art but this is just as bad as your enemy. its kinda a masturbatory take, everyone stands around in a circle-jerk and congratulate one another for "taking a stand"

Now this is successful art

furrycentrists pissing themselves challege: failed

As a wise man once said

"Now that's edgy as fuck."

As if pigs didn't have it rough enough due to human greed, let's slander them too. :3

The creator of this "anti burned fur" poster is also staunchly Anti Cub......

https://ibb.co/52cywkN

Kinda sad cuz I really liked the "draw whatever you want" message.....

aalix said:
I'm genuinely curious as to why this is getting downvoted. Is it the gore? The "let's promote degeneracy" part? I don't get it.

Because the creator of the artwork is a "rules for thee, not for me" type of hypocrite. That's why.

"I didn't join this fandom to be bossed around by strangers."

https://ibb.co/J35Hjsj

That's cool, neither did I.

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bot-bot said:
It's so fucking weird for someone that is into/is fine with feral porn and fictional bestiality but love to play glass houses when it comes to loli/shota.

And it's not the first time i have seen it happen.

There's this one artist on twitter made a whole ass thread on fiction is fiction cus they got called a zoo for their feral porn and end it lolishota don't count.

Turns out they faved some cub porn made by very popular cub artists on their e621, after pointing out their hypocrisy, their e621 favs now private.

As good ole "Rev Says Desu's" catch phrase goes --- "Your Likes Are Public!"

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psychuan said:
Fuck yeah! Unironically 100% correct. Been in this fandom so long my fursona's existence is old enough to drink, and this shit that the new puriteens are doing? You're just the Burned Furs all over again.

Don't celebrate quite so quickly, the artist is Anti Cub.

That's ~still~ Burned Fur / Puriteen behavior, IMO....

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whitehyena said:
For those unaware, this was a response to a different edgy piece of art that lumped anyone (and yes, anyone) who liked paws, anatomically accurate genitals, feral characters, or traits of feral characters (digi legs, or quadrupedal characters in general) in with zoophilia.

The message retorted (this art) is sloppily conveyed but I ultimately agree with the gist: stop trying to "fix" the Fandom by removing kinks that you personally don't like.

Oh, I agree with this one hundred percent... but the reason the Artist is being called out and the image is being Downvoted isn't so much about the "edginess" of the drawing, but rather the fact they threw in their own little "Asterisk" (basically, everything else is fine and dandy -- ***except for Cub).

This negates the message of the art, as well as their other statement about "I didn't join the fandom to be bossed around by strangers."

a raise this to you all
https://e621.net/posts/4723551?q=optical_96

nobodythefox said:
a raise this to you all
https://e621.net/posts/4723551?q=optical_96

The artist made it clear they're against zoophilia and cub in case you didn't see it.

Honestly this post is so old now I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't

smuglytherat said:
The artist made it clear they're against zoophilia and cub in case you didn't see it.

Honestly this post is so old now I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't

Of course its just a delightful ironic dichotomy to me