Hell yes.

this is a good post

Oh neat, a post I can use on posts where someone is tagging herm even though only one set of genitalia can be seen; Or when someone from FA takes a gander at E6 and decides to use it without reading the tagging rules and guidelines.

Peekaboo said:
Oh neat, a post I can use on posts where someone is tagging herm even though only one set of genitalia can be seen; Or when someone from FA takes a gander at E6 and decides to use it without reading the tagging rules and guidelines.

Yeah, the old one was just asking to actually tag genders, which is not a big issue any more, so I figured I'd update it for a current common issue.

You all are missing the real point behind this post. It is obviously a female, I mean look at the E.

Laser_Pointer said:
You all are missing the real point behind this post. It is obviously a female, I mean look at the E.

Lol

I find this pretty funny when most of the genders tagged on here have made up rules specifically for the community.

PhrozenFox said:
I find this pretty funny when most of the genders tagged on here have made up rules specifically for the community.

That's kinda the point though, correct gender tagging means tagging according to the site's rules.

PhrozenFox said:
I find this pretty funny when most of the genders tagged on here have made up rules specifically for the community.

agreed. This site's stupid rule of "Tag what you see" even if a character's gender is well known or made clear in a picture's description, if for some reason you can't see between their legs people just throw a huge fit over what the character is and what they "see". Its like, common sense is outweighed by short-shortsightedness in almost the most literal way possible

The original post is 4 years old. The fact that I am seeing this updated (When I saw the original posted) after such a long time...idk It's making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Halite said:
That's kinda the point though, correct gender tagging means tagging according to the site's rules.

No. You don't understand what I said.

I mean that most of the problems with tagging are from definitions made up by the site, of genders that are a gray area at the absolute best.

The Number of different gender tags on this site is TOO DAMN HIGH!

PhrozenFox said:
No. You don't understand what I said.

I mean that most of the problems with tagging are from definitions made up by the site, of genders that are a gray area at the absolute best.

Sorry, but far more problems are caused by people not caring about the correct tags, and character owners/artists who ignore our tagging rules because "It's my character, I can tag it however I want."

Halite said:
Sorry, but far more problems are caused by people not caring about the correct tags, and character owners/artists who ignore our tagging rules because "It's my character, I can tag it however I want."

-I made the character,I tag however I want.
-We made the rules,you don't follow them,we delete your content.

It should be as simple as that...and yet...

petresko said:
-I made the character,I tag however I want.
-We made the rules,you don't follow them,we delete your content.

It should be as simple as that...and yet...

Problem is, we like content here, so we try to convince them to be reasonable.

stak said:
This is probably aimed at the retards who think "dickgirl" and "cuntboy" are real things. There are few things that make me rage as much as that.

Both of those are valid and appropriate gender tags, though the both of them imply the gender tag "intersex".

I get the feeling there will be far too many "Other" tags.

Laser_Pointer said:
You all are missing the real point behind this post. It is obviously a female, I mean look at the E.

I have to disagree. It's certainly very feminine, but the D is clearly visible under the convenient censoring.

dran said:
What's with this guy? is he allergic to vagina/penis?

No, gender tags are (somewhat) frequently absent from images, even if the image has 20+ other tags.

Well, this goes against the Tag what you see rule.... lol...

NSFW said:
Well, this goes against the Tag what you see rule.... lol...

What? How?

RainW said:
As a girl who as a dick, stfu

Coming to a site based around art and preaching gender politics is no way to get people to like you.

Just be you, not a gender. Just a user. So much easier.

Tunguska said:
Coming to a site based around art and preaching gender politics is no way to get people to like you.

Just be you, not a gender. Just a user. So much easier.

kids and their genitals these days

Peekaboo said:
Oh neat, a post I can use on posts where someone is tagging herm even though only one set of genitalia can be seen; Or when someone from FA takes a gander at E6 and decides to use it without reading the tagging rules and guidelines.

To be fair, part of the confusion is that we have to have a stated_homosexuality tag because "gay" and "lesbian" have to function as stand-ins for M/M and F/F.

I have no way of knowing what gender this PSA-creature is, so I guess this gets an ambiguous_gender.

RainW said:
As a girl who as a dick, stfu

Dickgirl in the furry community is regarded as an "actual gender". You being a "girl with a dick" does not make it a valid gender in reality, hence why people are arguing about it and making a big deal out of it. You would be transgendered yes? Yes.

I personally agree with what Tunguska said.

Tunguska said:
Coming to a site based around art and preaching gender politics is no way to get people to like you.

Just be you, not a gender. Just a user. So much easier.

//2cents

RainW said:
oh no you misunderstand. I dont care if people like me or not. I just saw someone saying people like me are not a real thing, so I decided to say that I exist.

Perhaps you're taking the statement too seriously and looking into it too much. Dickgirls do not exist. They are not a real gender. Just like cuntboys. The closest thing in this reality are transsexuals. So really, they don't exist. You understand, yes?

RainW said:
I dont care if people like me or not.

Clearly.

a beautiful post with beautiful advice

Bias said:
agreed. This site's stupid rule of "Tag what you see" even if a character's gender is well known or made clear in a picture's description, if for some reason you can't see between their legs people just throw a huge fit over what the character is and what they "see". Its like, common sense is outweighed by short-shortsightedness in almost the most literal way possible

I've been banging that gong for months now. My favorite retorts to date are "so pants render a man genderless then?" and "maybe if you got off the porn sites and started experiencing real life for a change, you wouldn't need a vag or a dick shoved in your face to tell what gender someone is.

Great_Fire_Ettin said:
Well, steroid abuse for a long period of time can make a guy grow breasts, so dickgirls can exist. Just takes time and a WHOLE lot of roids...

A MAN with "breasts" is NOT a "dick girl." He is a man with a physical deformity that people label as "having boobs." As FurriFanatiko has been saying, "dickgirls" and "cuntboys" do not actually exist. These are fictitious genders applied to imaginary characters that do not occur naturally. You can be a male, you can be a female, you can be born with a genetic mutation that gives you both genitalia (although in all but the rarest cases one or the other is entirely underdeveloped and useless and MOST of the time surgery is performed then and there to remove the genetic defect). Girls do not have penises. That is understood within the very definition of what a female is. Men do not have vaginas, as again, that is part and parcel to the very definition of what a male is. I know it's not very "P.C." to point this out, but biologically speaking aside from hermaphroditism there truly is no "transitory gender" that exists between male and female. Any concept otherwise is purely fictional and/or psychological (similar in nature to human beings who sincerely believe they are actually cats, dogs, or other such feral, non-sentient animals).

And before anyone starts screaming "hate speech" or "bigotry" or any other such drivel, I do not say any of this out of a spirit of maliciousness, hatred, animosity, disgust or even insensitive or indifferent. I say it only to be informative, to speak scientifically in an age where far too many people have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by catchy, nonsensical slogans and unrealistic "Feel-good" propaganda ("oh, we're just born this way even though every aspect of science including biology, genetics, and the theoretical premises of evolution all resolutely state otherwise"). So yea, not being hateful, not even trying to be a dick and rain on anyone's parade. Just calling a spade a spade. Love me or hate me, you will see me for me, not some act or mask put on to sway people one way or the other.

zaffy said:
I've been banging that gong for months now. My favorite retorts to date are "so pants render a man genderless then?" and "maybe if you got off the porn sites and started experiencing real life for a change, you wouldn't need a vag or a dick shoved in your face to tell what gender someone is.
A MAN with "breasts" is NOT a "dick girl." He is a man with a physical deformity that people label as "having boobs." As FurriFanatiko has been saying, "dickgirls" and "cuntboys" do not actually exist. These are fictitious genders applied to imaginary characters that do not occur naturally. You can be a male, you can be a female, you can be born with a genetic mutation that gives you both genitalia (although in all but the rarest cases one or the other is entirely underdeveloped and useless and MOST of the time surgery is performed then and there to remove the genetic defect). Girls do not have penises. That is understood within the very definition of what a female is. Men do not have vaginas, as again, that is part and parcel to the very definition of what a male is. I know it's not very "P.C." to point this out, but biologically speaking aside from hermaphroditism there truly is no "transitory gender" that exists between male and female. Any concept otherwise is purely fictional and/or psychological (similar in nature to human beings who sincerely believe they are actually cats, dogs, or other such feral, non-sentient animals).

And before anyone starts screaming "hate speech" or "bigotry" or any other such drivel, I do not say any of this out of a spirit of maliciousness, hatred, animosity, disgust or even insensitive or indifferent. I say it only to be informative, to speak scientifically in an age where far too many people have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by catchy, nonsensical slogans and unrealistic "Feel-good" propaganda ("oh, we're just born this way even though every aspect of science including biology, genetics, and the theoretical premises of evolution all resolutely state otherwise"). So yea, not being hateful, not even trying to be a dick and rain on anyone's parade. Just calling a spade a spade. Love me or hate me, you will see me for me, not some act or mask put on to sway people one way or the other.

And again, I have to explain, your point is completely moot because we don't tag gender here.
We tag what genitalia are visible in a given image.
We use commonly known terms for that which are based on known genders, but that's just for ease of searching, we aren't actually tagging the gender.

zaffy said:
Male and female are genders, not genitalia. Herm, futa, or whatever other "in between" term is being used, also, are genders, not genitalia. Penis, vagina, cloaca, those are genitalia, and while they are also commonly tagged, we DO tag gender here, as a hermaphrodite has the GENITALIA for both a male and female, but is neither male nor female, so only tagging genitalia would result in people getting literally thousands of search results they do not want to see. So yes, BY DEFINITION, we do tag gender here.

Need to read you a book some time. You might learn something. And yea, that time, I WAS trying to offend, because let's be real here, that was just plain ignorant of you, and that's my hair-trigger hot button right there. Don't be stupid, don't be ignorant, learn the facts, then form an opinion, and AFTER all that comes the third step: expressing said opinion.

You clearly don't understand tagging here, so I'm not going to argue the point further.

Halite said:
You clearly don't understand tagging here, so I'm not going to argue the point further.

Do you hear that sound?
That tumultuous crack! in the skies above?

I think your point broke the sound barrier as it was going over his head.

Someone tag this with a gender to make the following people rage:

• All the admins
• All the mods
• Everyone else in power
• More than 80% of this website
• Anyone else who uses the tag a lot

'Not furry?' Well sir, I happen to go on e621.net a common amount of times, and I well think that there is plenty of furries on it! Good day sir!

MuzikMon said:
Hell yes.

FUCK YES

But according to furries there's over 30 genders! It's impossible to keep them all straight!

Make of that what you will.

sylamorase said:
But according to furries there's over 30 genders! It's impossible to keep them all straight!

Make of that what you will.

But that has nothing to do with tagging on this site.

TL;DR ....sumthin about fragging whats in the sea? GRENAAADE!

Halite said:
And again, I have to explain, your point is completely moot because we don't tag gender here.
We tag what genitalia are visible in a given image.
We use commonly known terms for that which are based on known genders, but that's just for ease of searching, we aren't actually tagging the gender.

That being the case, how do you tag a clean image?

I want to kill myself.

please dont forget to tag them either :l

Gender and sex are different, it's true.

BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE this is a furry site with mostly porn. People get off to the stuff here.

We simply want convenience, therefore:

Male = Penis with male body shape
Female = Vagina with tits
Dickgirl = Tits, no vagina, penis
Cuntboy = Male body shape, vagina
Herm = Tits, vagina, penis
Maleherm = Male body shape, vagina, penis
Ambiguous: Hard to tell what it is, or can't see genitalia
Intersex: Implied with DG, CB, H, and MH tags, but could also mean just plain intersex.

Girly, manly, and tomboy are all appearance based, suck at a girly male, a manly male, or a tomboy female.

TEH MOAR U KNO

I find the 'lol_comments' tag misleading here.
This comment section was more like 'imminent_headache'.

Kalnareff said:
I dunno about that, it has a dick it's a man, it has a vag it's a lady. simple.

The rest is just pretending to be something else.

Although this post is not about the transgender movement, i understand what you are saying.

Ninosi said:
I find the 'lol_comments' tag misleading here.
This comment section was more like 'imminent_headache'.

Now why isn't that a thing yet?

oh god. why did i decide to read all these comments

Sjw on suicide watch

KhajiitSneakThief said:
The Number of different gender tags on this site is TOO DAMN HIGH!

I identify as [insert object here]

attack helicopter

stak said:
This is probably aimed at the retards who think "dickgirl" and "cuntboy" are real things. There are few things that make me rage as much as that.

Until "intersex_masculine" and "intersex_feminine" or some other tags more accurate than simply "intersex" (which covers too broad a range to be useful as a tag for the purpose of filtering content) are instated and actually used, "dickgirl" and "cuntboy" are the best, most accurate tags we have for those fields.

Because, unfortunately, the search bar only allows a certain number of tags to be searched/filtered at a time, wanting 30 individual tags to specify which combination of intersex a user is looking for is simply unreasonable. When someone searches for, filters, or blacklists "dickgirl", they know exactly what that descriptor refers to. That's the purpose of a tag. "Cuntboy", on the other hand, is a grey area because it's much too easily confused with "flat_chested". I would wager it's the most controversial "gender" tag on this site purely because the word "cunt" is profane and it's somehow widely considered offensive to be referred to as male regardless of visibly obvious masculine features (as if illustrated as such on purpose just to argue against it).

"TWYS" is simply unreliable because it allows for too much subjectivity for a system meant for cataloging. There are far too many vocal people on this site for any real consensuses to be made for each post. Far too many individual, varied perspectives and so each person's needs of this filter are different.

Unfortunately, for a filtering system on an image sharing site where what the user sees is the only thing that actually matters (because external information is entirely irrelevant), "TWYS" is the the best available policy.

Let's take Suelix and his OC Mercy as example. People tag him as female in SFW picture where you can't see his chest area. He's male, not female, he's a trap. Yet people tag him as female and ambiguous gender, because of his facial features and hair. The character is canon male, unless he's drawn genderbent, you default to his actual gender that is know and NOT tag based on what you see. Because if we tag based on what we see, we could question every SFW/clothed image where you can't see a character's chest/crotch area even though the character is known to by X gender. It's dumb and unless it's an unknown character there is no reason to tag as "ambiguous" or switch the tags from male to female.

If you tag a known character, be it official or OC as ambiguous even though you know it's male/female, then that's wrong. Tag what you know, unless you don't know anything. That's how it should be, not the inconsistent way of what you see.

FurriFanatiko said:
Perhaps you're taking the statement too seriously and looking into it too much. Dickgirls do not exist. They are not a real gender. Just like cuntboys. The closest thing in this reality are transsexuals. So really, they don't exist. You understand, yes?

Speaking as someone who has done the coursework, hermaphrodites DO exist. Their parents usually just snip their junk when they are still infants. Just thought i would let you all know.

FurriFanatiko said:
Perhaps you're taking the statement too seriously and looking into it too much. Dickgirls do not exist. They are not a real gender. Just like cuntboys. The closest thing in this reality are transsexuals. So really, they don't exist. You understand, yes?

zaffy said:
I've been banging that gong for months now. My favorite retorts to date are "so pants render a man genderless then?" and "maybe if you got off the porn sites and started experiencing real life for a change, you wouldn't need a vag or a dick shoved in your face to tell what gender someone is.
A MAN with "breasts" is NOT a "dick girl." He is a man with a physical deformity that people label as "having boobs." As FurriFanatiko has been saying, "dickgirls" and "cuntboys" do not actually exist. These are fictitious genders applied to imaginary characters that do not occur naturally. You can be a male, you can be a female, you can be born with a genetic mutation that gives you both genitalia (although in all but the rarest cases one or the other is entirely underdeveloped and useless and MOST of the time surgery is performed then and there to remove the genetic defect). Girls do not have penises. That is understood within the very definition of what a female is. Men do not have vaginas, as again, that is part and parcel to the very definition of what a male is. I know it's not very "P.C." to point this out, but biologically speaking aside from hermaphroditism there truly is no "transitory gender" that exists between male and female. Any concept otherwise is purely fictional and/or psychological (similar in nature to human beings who sincerely believe they are actually cats, dogs, or other such feral, non-sentient animals).

And before anyone starts screaming "hate speech" or "bigotry" or any other such drivel, I do not say any of this out of a spirit of maliciousness, hatred, animosity, disgust or even insensitive or indifferent. I say it only to be informative, to speak scientifically in an age where far too many people have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by catchy, nonsensical slogans and unrealistic "Feel-good" propaganda ("oh, we're just born this way even though every aspect of science including biology, genetics, and the theoretical premises of evolution all resolutely state otherwise"). So yea, not being hateful, not even trying to be a dick and rain on anyone's parade. Just calling a spade a spade. Love me or hate me, you will see me for me, not some act or mask put on to sway people one way or the other.

Clitheroe said:
Gender and sex are different, it's true.

BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE this is a furry site with mostly porn. People get off to the stuff here.

We simply want convenience, therefore:

Male = Penis with male body shape
Female = Vagina with tits
Dickgirl = Tits, no vagina, penis
Cuntboy = Male body shape, vagina
Herm = Tits, vagina, penis
Maleherm = Male body shape, vagina, penis
Ambiguous: Hard to tell what it is, or can't see genitalia
Intersex: Implied with DG, CB, H, and MH tags, but could also mean just plain intersex.

Girly, manly, and tomboy are all appearance based, suck at a girly male, a manly male, or a tomboy female.

TEH MOAR U KNO

THANK YOU, GOOD SIR!

I don't see any gender tags on this post.
! Quick hide before the Tumblr feminists find us!

ok

BooceBungalow said:
I don't see any gender tags on this post.
! Quick hide before the Tumblr feminists find us!

how

No.

It's amazing how a few words can get so many comments.

When feminine cuntboys dont get tagged as female i die inside.
Or when flat chested futas dont get tagged as male
Or when size difference furries get tagged as cub

I know its the owners site to do with what he wants with it but the twys rule has so many conflicts that really need to be adressed and discussed and delt with accordingly.

Good rules shouldnt have conflicts and should cover all bases and thats my gripe with it, there are conflicts that need to be addressed, twys is no exception to that imo.

Tag what you see rule is so busted...you call that a rule?
Come on...

If a character shiws feminine features, looks girly and god forbid that i cant see what's between the legs, I have to tag

"Ambiguous Gender" that is poppycock and i should know for when i do upload characters like these, people tell me to do just that...

It's amazing how one image can spark a 4 year long argument

PretentiousPeer said:
"TWYS" is simply unreliable because it allows for too much subjectivity for a system meant for cataloging. There are far too many vocal people on this site for any real consensuses to be made for each post. Far too many individual, varied perspectives and so each person's needs of this filter are different.

Unfortunately, for a filtering system on an image sharing site where what the user sees is the only thing that actually matters (because external information is entirely irrelevant), "TWYS" is the the best available policy.

You're operating under a false assumption about how the "tag what you see" rule works. An assumption that is, unfortunately, altogether too common around here. Despite how the name sounds, the rule isn't "tag what you personally interpret the image to be," but rather, "tag what objects, body parts, etc. are plainly visible in-image, based on a freely-accessible list of criteria." Sure, gray areas still exist, but not NEARLY as many as people think.

I'm13YearsOld said:
Let's take Suelix and his OC Mercy as example. People tag him as female in SFW picture where you can't see his chest area. He's male, not female, he's a trap. Yet people tag him as female and ambiguous gender, because of his facial features and hair. The character is canon male, unless he's drawn genderbent, you default to his actual gender that is know and NOT tag based on what you see. Because if we tag based on what we see, we could question every SFW/clothed image where you can't see a character's chest/crotch area even though the character is known to by X gender. It's dumb and unless it's an unknown character there is no reason to tag as "ambiguous" or switch the tags from male to female.

If you tag a known character, be it official or OC as ambiguous even though you know it's male/female, then that's wrong. Tag what you know, unless you don't know anything. That's how it should be, not the inconsistent way of what you see.

Except that the rules DON'T say you can only use genitals to determine gender, otherwise every pic where nobody's naked would get only the "ambiguous_gender" tag. The rules explicitly state you can use sexual characteristics that are secondary, tertiary, quaternary, etc. Such as a feminine (or masculine) face, narrowed (or broad) hips, facial hair (or lack thereof), and so on. As for tagging according to canon, when only secondary and further traits are plainly visible, the thing is that this site's rules are set up for the sake of users who aren't familiar with all the characters being posted, which is a far larger number of users than the ones who DO have such encyclopedic knowledge. I mean, I've been a full-fledged furry for nearly two decades, and I have no idea who the hell you're talking about, both in terms of the character, and the artist. If I were to come across a clothed picture of this "Mercy" right now, since I have no idea what he looks like, yet, all I'd know is that I'm seeing a very feminine character with nothing in-image to suggest the masculine, so to my eye, I'd see a cute girl. That's how you're supposed to tag: From the perspective of somebody who doesn't know a damn thing about the character.

The OTHER problem with tagging based on lore, rather than visible cues, is that drawing one-off images where a character is a different gender than is their usual canon, is a thing furry artists do frequently, even intentionally. Some artists even do it SO often that without clothes off, it can sometimes be hard for even die-hard fans to guess whether it's a canon drawing, or a cross-canon one.

99% of Reggie art in this website a nutshell

But this isn't porn or art :/

~
Look at all those comments...
And most of them are arguing or debating gender.
What a swell world we live in :|

...I don't think "cuntboy" is ideal but I still search the tag frequently and it's useful for that purpose because that's what I want to find and it helps me find it. Isn't that what matters?

As a general note, I am pretty appreciative of this site for listening to what the artists say about their own characters.

Also... as a man with a beard and muscles and also a cunt: I definitely exist. Not sure what is controversial about that. People can argue about what that means for gender all they want or what really counts as what, doesn't change the fact that I exist and I'm just here living my goddamn life. The real world is messy and often much stranger than anyone initially assumes. Some people need to fucking get over it.

TESTING, TESTING, TESTING post #473314 It works :D

5 years later and genders are still being tagged incorrectly. Granted, it's usually because of the TWYS policy, but people still manage to fuck it up regardless.

In reality there are only two genders for homo
_sapiens and only in theory are there three (that function right) proper genders . People who think otherwise are literally insane, ban me if you want (you probably will anyway)it wont make me wrong

I don’t necessarily have an argument for this post, but to me it’s interesting reading some of the banned people here.

Especially some of them have been on for years and has gotten banned like 7-9 months ago. If only I could see the posts that got ImA13YearOld banned...

Saying it's male when it has tits and a female voice

Edit: nvm, now that lore tags are a thing my suggestion is obsolete, so I'll just expunge it to prevent people agreeing with me.

*cough* sorry Reggie

*cough* sorry Mikhaila

The rule is "Tag what you see". Not tag what you hear or know of the character. Now if you'll excuse me, I have some Reggie pictures to go tag as female.

donotdeletethisone said:
The rule is "Tag what you see". Not tag what you hear or know of the character. Now if you'll excuse me, I have some Reggie pictures to go tag as female.

Lawful Evil

bruh moment

Oh wow. What a wall of comments. And not one of you stated the nerdy facts.

Having a penis or vagina does not make something female or male. This is what we tell kids to help them get it, but the animal world proves this to be an unreliable rule. The ACTUAL rule is: Men produce sperm, women have eggs.

Now you might be thinking "what about Yoshi?" and to that I can honestly say, he is female... Or herm. Or maybe the males can make egg-like projectiles that cannot ever become fertile? But yeah, no penis is needed for men to be men. Just look at most birds with no dick. And I think all male fish are dickless too. Or look at the spotted hyena females who do have dicks, but aren't male.

Sorry I just had to interject, since this is the topic of sex, I had to mention what the real definition is.

minus said:
Oh wow. What a wall of comments. And not one of you stated the nerdy facts.

Having a penis or vagina does not make something female or male. This is what we tell kids to help them get it, but the animal world proves this to be an unreliable rule. The ACTUAL rule is: Men produce sperm, women have eggs.

Now you might be thinking "what about Yoshi?" and to that I can honestly say, he is female... Or herm. Or maybe the males can make egg-like projectiles that cannot ever become fertile? But yeah, no penis is needed for men to be men. Just look at most birds with no dick. And I think all male fish are dickless too. Or look at the spotted hyena females who do have dicks, but aren't male.

Sorry I just had to interject, since this is the topic of sex, I had to mention what the real definition is.

yoshi isnt real. though i really wish it was. i like to think yoshi would make a damn fine sleepin buddy and i'd like one.....preferably in black, white, or purple.

all of the toxicity of the furry fandom, condensed into one comment thread; it's both beautiful and disheartening

zeemer said:
all of the toxicity of the furry fandom, condensed into one comment thread; it's both beautiful and disheartening

Indeed, it is...

biasedthoughts said:
agreed. This site's stupid rule of "Tag what you see" even if a character's gender is well known or made clear in a picture's description, if for some reason you can't see between their legs people just throw a huge fit over what the character is and what they "see". Its like, common sense is outweighed by short-shortsightedness in almost the most literal way possible

To be honest I'm really tired of seeing locked "Flat-chested Girl" tags on femboys even when in the pics themselves the characters mention that they are indeed males. No wonders why Whygena and other artists no longer allow their drawings to be featured in this site.

TAG GENDER Correctly!
EVEN IF THE CHARACTER IS A Cuntboy!
(I'm looking at you, people who try to tag Sonny Boop as female.)

kauske said:
Almost this whole comments section is why I dislike e621...

I like my solution. People here don't give a shit about the actual gender/sex of the character? I'll just put in a takedown request for any of my characters that are posted here.

Not like I hugely want them here in the first place, since it's the first place F-listers stop to grab art to use in their profiles.

You're completely justified in your decision. That's exactly why the creator of the character Sonny Boop has started explicitly labeling Sonny Boop as a c-boy in all of his art, directional arrow included.

By e621's logic, nothing with a cloaca should be labeled as male or female, since, scientifically speaking, in over 90% of bird species both males and females have cloacas.

And yes, my profile picture is the playable villager in Animal Crossing having sex with Blathers, who, scientifically speaking, would have a cloaca, since all owl species fall in the "both sexes have cloacas" category.

So 'ambiguous' then?

What a beautiful comments section...

S U B A R A S H I

I really need to stop reading these e621 gender discussion comment sections, the sheer amount of toxicity between users on here shocks me sometimes.

Well this was both entertaining and annoying to read. Have a good/terrible day good people/jackasses.

Who hit my head with a hammer while I was reading the comments?

Sheesh, I remember back when the worst thing on the internet were vegans or whatever. The amount of toxicity that radiates from any discussion about gender and sex on the internet these days is crazy.

Don't get so caught up by labels, guys. Just be you. You don't have to put a tag on it, or force people around you to respect it. Just chill out about it.

Everybody's unique in an infinite number of ways. If you try to make enough boxes for every different set of traits, you'll get the confusing, dividing mess you can see right on this page.

fwuffypuffy said:
Sheesh, I remember back when the worst thing on the internet were vegans or whatever. The amount of toxicity that radiates from any discussion about gender and sex on the internet these days is crazy.

Don't get so caught up by labels, guys. Just be you. You don't have to put a tag on it, or force people around you to respect it. Just chill out about it.

Everybody's unique in an infinite number of ways. If you try to make enough boxes for every different set of traits, you'll get the confusing, dividing mess you can see right on this page.

Preach it. The "I don't care" attitude is the best attitude.
I have found that the less you give a shit, the less angry and miserable you tend to get about these sorts of things, becuase you don't let yourself grow any sort of personal grudges against the concept.
It also helps with accepting people as themselves better, becuase I literally don't even care enough to get any strong emotions about what you claim to be outside of the person itself.

Oh Steve the average white lad, you are Steffani The appachi attack protogen now? Alright, so anyway, when is the next meet up again? Easy.

At least that is my hot take for the day.

This didn't age well lol

Does that apply to Safe for work art with no seen genitals?

jikky said:
Does that apply to Safe for work art with no seen genitals?

I don't see why it wouldn't. The presence of genitals isn't necessary to tag gender.

jikky said:
Does that apply to Safe for work art with no seen genitals?

Yes: If the depicted character is canonically male then you would tag male. However, there are exceptions like if he has been gender_swapped by the artist or he has gone through gender_transformation.

chikorita said:
It's amazing how one image can spark a 4 year long argument

Over 8 years now lmao
Curious to see for how long it will continue. Maybe I'll favorite this pic or something, just so I remember to check again in a couple years to see if people are still going.

-7u7 said:
how

im here. boo or smth

Reading through this and I’m currently trying to figure out what was a bigger mistake, TWYS or the e621 comment section

Why is this still an argument when we've had the amazing lore tag system for years now? That's quite strange, the lore tags are so helpful for getting things correct like trans characters.

Bro the comments so long

I tag em as I see em, whale biologist.

chaos_lord_lacroix said:
In reality there are only two genders for homo
_sapiens and only in theory are there three (that function right) proper genders . People who think otherwise are literally insane, ban me if you want (you probably will anyway)it wont make me wrong

In reality you're right, banning you won't make you wrong, you were wrong all on your own.

chaos_lord_lacroix said:
In reality there are only two genders for homo
_sapiens and only in theory are there three (that function right) proper genders . People who think otherwise are literally insane, ban me if you want (you probably will anyway)it wont make me wrong

Fear the edgelord

18_characters_long said:
In reality you're right, banning you won't make you wrong, you were wrong all on your own.

He is wrong tho

peekaboo said:
Oh neat, a post I can use on posts where someone is tagging herm even though only one set of genitalia can be seen; Or when someone from FA takes a gander at E6 and decides to use it without reading the tagging rules and guidelines.

problem is say you got a character confirmed to definately be a certain gender and ....surprise it doesn't show her "package" but usually if you already know the character...of course you know she has a power pole but it isnt visible in picture that can be annoying I found out the hard way with a certain character I had no idea she was intersex from one image but the rest were definitely obvious so I was caught off guard

galaxyrenn said:
problem is say you got a character confirmed to definately be a certain gender and ....surprise it doesn't show her "package" but usually if you already know the character...of course you know she has a power pole but it isnt visible in picture that can be annoying I found out the hard way with a certain character I had no idea she was intersex from one image but the rest were definitely obvious so I was caught off guard

Caught off guard? Are you really that sensitive?

You guys need to remember what tags are for. Many people find futanaris offensive, many think that everything should be futanari, how can the two groups live together on the same site? By blocking the display of what they find offensive and this blocking is done through tags. And that's why a wrongly placed tag ends up being offensive and that's why it's a problem.

Nah, I like the chaos that ensues when I don't.

ah yes when you see a character and know they are cannonically trans or gyno but you cant see their genitals dont assume it passes as female

As of April 10th of 2024 the tag "Rules" is applied to 34 posts

herearesomething said:
You guys need to remember what tags are for. Many people find futanaris offensive, many think that everything should be futanari, how can the two groups live together on the same site? By blocking the display of what they find offensive and this blocking is done through tags. And that's why a wrongly placed tag ends up being offensive and that's why it's a problem.

Nah, the correct answer is we don't and we go to war. Last fetish standing wins!

Also, there's always the option to make your own site. Back when I was more into pregnancy than I am now I was working on an e621 clone specifically for pregnancy art. These days, I'm much more of a fan of the idea of balkanizing and everyone having their own federated image board site.

Ambiguous_gender tag added.

lightning-studios said:
Reading through this and I’m currently trying to figure out what was a bigger mistake, TWYS or the e621 comment section

Both

pikafan15 said:
Why is this still an argument when we've had the amazing lore tag system for years now? That's quite strange, the lore tags are so helpful for getting things correct like trans characters.

Because the lore tag shouldn't exist in the first place. Misgendering a character because of the TWYS politic is absolutely disgusting. That's why I DON'T post on e6.

The TWYS politic is just dumb as fuck. Ah yes, let's make every character owner or artist hate your website because you decide to tag someone as their wrong gender because you "see" them as a gender despite being stated otherwise. The politic shouldn't be TWYS, it should be Tag What You Know. If you don't know a character's gender, let other people tag em. And no, the "lore" tag is not a good justification.

inumi said:
The TWYS politic is just dumb as fuck. Ah yes, let's make every character owner or artist hate your website because you decide to tag someone as their wrong gender because yiu "see" them as a gender despite being stated otherwise. The politic shouldn't be TWTS, it should be Tag What You Know. If you don't know a character's gender, let other people tag em. Abd know, the "lore" tag is not a good justification.

i think the lore tag exists because for example someone could make a character who by all means looks male and has a dick and no boobs and only vaguely feminine features but is female, in which case it should be normally tagged male so that tags dont get confusing and convoluted for people who prefer men over women (just ignore the fact that theyd probably have some sort of reaction when they realize the male-looking character is female), but the lore tag shows they are meant to be female, since the character IS that but technically its not in the image (so its not tag what you see) but it is part of the character themself and their literal lore

fenneko_ said:
When feminine cuntboys dont get tagged as female i die inside.
Or when flat chested futas dont get tagged as male
Or when size difference furries get tagged as cub

I know its the owners site to do with what he wants with it but the twys rule has so many conflicts that really need to be adressed and discussed and delt with accordingly.

Good rules shouldnt have conflicts and should cover all bases and thats my gripe with it, there are conflicts that need to be addressed, twys is no exception to that imo.

i would bet like up to 30% of all art tagged young on this site was just people seeing a short character or drawn in a cutesy artstyle and thinking it applies then adding the tag when the character is actually an adult

halite said:
Sorry, but far more problems are caused by people not caring about the correct tags, and character owners/artists who ignore our tagging rules because "It's my character, I can tag it however I want."

Which is exacly why this website is so stupid. The artists and chatacter owners should have the last word since THEY MADE THEM!

moltensilveriii said:
i think the lore tag exists because for example someone could make a character who by all means looks male and has a dick and no boobs and only vaguely feminine features but is female, in which case it should be normally tagged male so that tags dont get confusing and convoluted for people who prefer men over women (just ignore the fact that theyd probably have some sort of reaction when they realize the male-looking character is female), but the lore tag shows they are meant to be female, since the character IS that but technically its not in the image (so its not tag what you see) but it is part of the character themself and their literal lore

But then they should be tagged as their proper gender, not have a useless "lore" tag for them. This is the sole reason finding anything on this website is so shitty. You can't find most of the stuff you're looking for cause they don't have the appropriate tags or aren't tagged right. Let the artists and character owners do their job god damnit. They're the one making the pictures or owning those characters.