IT FINALLY HAPPENED!!!!..........but...IT FEELS SO ANTICLIMACTIC!
Video game: Desired ending unsubstantial?....try again?
-Countdown-
*insert coin*

Blackphantom770 said:
-Natani puts in a Dollar-
*Takes the joystick...and shows Keith how it's done* X3

Last post what did I just say? WHAT. DID. I. JUST. SAY!!!! X3 EPIC!
Called it!

finally

I still don't get it.

Ah, cool. This got to the point that if the story interrupts I am totally fine with it. They got done what was needed :p

I wonder what they are doing behind that last frame...

GAYEEEEEE! LOL XD but seriously, that's actually adorable and awesome. I love how that was "her" trigger

Duke_Ysellian said:
I wonder what they are doing behind that last frame...

Oh i don't know kissing? should be obvious besides theres no indicator to sex. So many people assume ''hue hue they are sexing'' which i honestly doubt.

Furry_Fanatic said:
I still don't get it.

Then you FAIL!

CamKitty said:
Ah, cool. This got to the point that if the story interrupts I am totally fine with it. They got done what was needed :p

LOL you treat it like its a business like: "You have served your country soldiers, your tour of duty over" or "5 o'clock everyone go home" LOL y so serious :P

Duke_Ysellian said:
I wonder what they are doing behind that last frame...

use ur imagination...then try to pull yourself back from the gutter and realize this is Tom we are talking about here lol
We can only dream

Facade7733 said:
Oh i don't know kissing? should be obvious besides theres no indicator to sex. So many people assume ''hue hue they are sexing'' which i honestly doubt.

Exactly

redwolfmatt said:
GAYEEEEEE! LOL XD but seriously, that's actually adorable and awesome. I love how that was "her" trigger

LOL I know right. It's so cute! So cute in fact that it's worth the possibility of diabetes X3

I called it

For a moment, I almost worried that Black Phantom wouldn't upload this first...

To be completely honest I really thought this entire scene in true Tom fashion would just be a joke and murder all of my hopes and dreams.

Dreadscot1337 said:
I called it

Called it first D:< <.< lol

theomorashiguy said:
For a moment, I almost worried that Black Phantom wouldn't upload this first...

There's no need to fear, my crazy ass is always here! And I will continue to provide crazy amusement until I die, or until I get that one job that takes up all my free time :P
...which should be soon cuz I am almost out of college and Computer techs are busy. Then Ima try american Idol lol

Love it i love Natani a lot

Tail twitch was the best part...

Facade7733 said:
Oh i don't know kissing? should be obvious besides theres no indicator to sex. So many people assume ''hue hue they are sexing'' which i honestly doubt.

This is posted on e621 so they are probably having sex of frame, I would not be surprise if someone made a comic about that on e621. but on the main website it more likely keith fell backwards because natani (which is almost twice keith size)leaning over putting all her weight on keith.

YEAH! NATANI WENT GIRLY! But really, you could tell that they'd end up here eventually

Well its about frigging time those two started swapping spit!

Now I wouldn't mind seeing the X=Rated version the artist only shows to his friends, but I'm happy with what he's given us for now.

Jason118 said:
YEAH! NATANI WENT GIRLY! But really, you could tell that they'd end up here eventually

It's less girly and more along the feeling of two guys kissing except one of the guys is a girl :P

Dr.myster said:
This is posted on e621 so they are probably having sex of frame, I would not be surprise if someone made a comic about that on e621. but on the main website it more likely keith fell backwards because natani (which is almost twice keith size)leaning over putting all her weight on keith.

Comedy/sex parody artists do not come around often. The best we got of a comic parody is this:
post #143876 and this post #475338
We can only hope and pray that someone makes a parody of this page but its highly unlikely. Unless you commission it, there is no guarantee you will see it.

I find it funny that e621 has one more page than the Twokinds webcomic site

Jason118 said:
I find it funny that e621 has one more page than the Twokinds webcomic site

w8 a minute...no we don't <.< where?
is confused o,e

Jason118 said:
I find it funny that e621 has one more page than the Twokinds webcomic site

Show me.

Jason118 said:
I find it funny that e621 has one more page than the Twokinds webcomic site

might wanna make sure ur not in the archives, i did that too

xOmegaWolfx said:
might wanna make sure ur not in the archives, i did that too

I was. Mistake on my part.

Jason118 said:
I was. Mistake on my part.

whelp at least that was resolved. i was perplexed for a little while

How long ago was her heat again?...OH MY GOD!

Not to sound... well, you know, but I was kinda hoping this would happen.

W3r3gam3r said:
How long ago was her heat again?...OH MY GOD!

It was pretty recent actually. According to page 132 of the TK webcomic Keidran go into heat every 2.4 months So that would be every 2 months on the 4th week of the following month. Natani went into heat at the beginning of the voyage and since then in comic time they spent a few weeks getting to the island (when the heat heat tool place) Roughly A week or so on the island itself and then back out to sea to now (which I guess has been a few weeks. All together its been about a month give or take a few days, loads of time from Nats next heat :P It would be a good time for Flora's to act up again but she's pregnant, Kat's sterile and Maddy is a kid and I don't think Tom would allow that to happen cuz it might earn him a bad rep sooooo no one in the main group is going into heat any time soon :/
Now in group B X3 as the only Keidran there, and Newly made one at that who is not used to her Keirdan body, our cute little shapeshifter Raine might be up for her heat cycle at any time ◕ᴥ↼
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dragon_logo said:
Not to sound... well, you know, but I was kinda hoping this would happen.

not to sound like what?not to sound like what?

Blackphantom770 said:
It was pretty recent actually. According to page 132 of the TK webcomic Keidran go into heat every 2.4 months So that would be every 2 months on the 4th week of the following month. Natani went into heat at the beginning of the voyage and since then in comic time they spent a few weeks getting to the island (when the heat heat tool place) Roughly A week or so on the island itself and then back out to sea to now (which I guess has been a few weeks. All together its been about a month give or take a few days, loads of time from Nats next heat :P It would be a good time for Flora's to act up again but she's pregnant, Kat's sterile and Maddy is a kid and I don't think Tom would allow that to happen cuz it might earn him a bad rep sooooo no one in the main group is going into heat any time soon :/
Now in group B X3 as the only Keidran there, and Newly made one at that who is not used to her Keirdan body, our cute little shapeshifter Raine might be up for her heat cycle at any time ◕ᴥ↼
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Remember, in Twokinds, a Keidren can only get pregnant AFTER her heat, not during.

W3r3gam3r said:
Remember, in Twokinds, a Keidren can only get pregnant AFTER her heat, not during.

Yeah duh, meaning while pregnant Keirdan DON'T go through heat again until AFTER the baby is born. If heat is used to attract a mate for reproduction then making the female fertile after she has chosen a suitable male during heat, then logically it would seem unnecessary to continue to have a heat cycle which is supposed to attract a mate with whom you wish to reproduce with (After heat) WHILE you're currently reproducing...
It's like saying girls still have their period, a process that in a way mirrors heat in a way and is supposed to refresh the wall of the uterus and prepare it for egg reception, and sperm insemination WHILE their pregnant -_-
post #266642
I must earnestly question your knowledge of female biology

Blackphantom770 said:
Yeah duh, meaning while pregnant Keirdan DON'T go through heat again until AFTER the baby is born. If heat is used to attract a mate for reproduction then making the female fertile after she has chosen a suitable male during heat, then logically it would seem unnecessary to continue to have a heat cycle which is supposed to attract a mate with whom you wish to reproduce with (After heat) WHILE you're currently reproducing...
It's like saying girls still have their period, a process that in a way mirrors heat in a way and is supposed to refresh the wall of the uterus and prepare it for egg reception, and sperm insemination WHILE their pregnant -_-
post #266642
I must earnestly question your knowledge of female biology

http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=494

I was referring to this page. I know you don't go through heat or a period once you're pregnant. But Keidran have a different gestation process.

W3r3gam3r said:
http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=494

I was referring to this page. I know you don't go through heat or a period once you're pregnant. But Keidran have a different gestation process.

I know what page you're talking about, that's what was implied when I said "Yeah duh"
(－‸ლ)
post #293553
What I'm saying is that for a Keidran to go through heat while already pregnant would be completely redundant and illogical. The entire function of heat is for reproduction; though the female isn't fertile till after heat, the whole process of heat in the Keidran reproductive cycle is to attract and find a mate through pheromones and intense lusty sex(without consequences). If the female is comfortable enough with her lover after the experience then she'll to decide to reproduce with her mate(Bonus sex after the fact but with consequences), if she's not comfortable with her lover then she waits until the next heat to go through the process all over again. The gestation process may be slightly different but once pregnant obvious base logic states that one does not go through the biological process to find a mate and reproduce if the body is already going through the process of reproducing. When girls get pregnant their period stops immediately, not give or take a few days, immediately. Thus why I gave the ridiculous example of a girl having her period while pregnant cuz female biology doesn't work like that. I was trying to show you the point I was trying to make that going through heat while already pregnant would be redundant, like having a period while pregnant. Thus why I said "I must earnestly question your knowledge of female biology" in general because it's not possible, would be redundant and makes absolutely no sense
I guess a more simple analogy to better explain this would be like going through high school/puberty twice, It's impossible, redundant and it makes no sense

Blackphantom770 said:
I know what page you're talking about, that's what was implied when I said "Yeah duh"
(－‸ლ)
post #293553
What I'm saying is that for a Keidran to go through heat while already pregnant would be completely redundant and illogical. The entire function of heat is for reproduction; though the female isn't fertile till after heat, the whole process of heat in the Keidran reproductive cycle is to attract and find a mate through pheromones and intense lusty sex(without consequences). If the female is comfortable enough with her lover after the experience then she'll to decide to reproduce with her mate(Bonus sex after the fact but with consequences), if she's not comfortable with her lover then she waits until the next heat to go through the process all over again. The gestation process may be slightly different but once pregnant obvious base logic states that one does not go through the biological process to find a mate and reproduce if the body is already going through the process of reproducing. When girls get pregnant their period stops immediately, not give or take a few days, immediately. Thus why I gave the ridiculous example of a girl having her period while pregnant cuz female biology doesn't work like that. I was trying to show you the point I was trying to make that going through heat while already pregnant would be redundant, like having a period while pregnant. Thus why I said "I must earnestly question your knowledge of female biology" in general because it's not possible, would be redundant and makes absolutely no sense
I guess a more simple analogy to better explain this would be like going through high school/puberty twice, It's impossible, redundant and it makes no sense

So you know Keidran cannot get pregnant until a week after estrus. I'm just making sure because it sounds like you keep mixing up real facts about periods with this fantasy world's version of one.

W3r3gam3r said:
So you know Keidran cannot get pregnant until a week after estrus. I'm just making sure because it sounds like you keep mixing up real facts about periods with this fantasy world's version of one.

I said I understood in the first comment I made

Blackphantom770 said:
Yeah duh, meaning while pregnant, Keirdan DON'T go through heat again until AFTER the baby is born. If heat is used to attract a mate for reproduction then making the female fertile AFTER she has chosen a suitable male during heat, then logically it would seem unnecessary to continue to have a heat cycle which is supposed to attract a mate with whom you wish to reproduce with (After heat) WHILE you're currently reproducing...

Then I made my analogy/example

It's like saying girls still have their period, a process that in a way mirrors heat in a way and is supposed to refresh the wall of the uterus and prepare it for egg reception, and sperm insemination WHILE their pregnant -_-
-insert facepalm here-
I must earnestly question your knowledge of female biology

So yeah, I'm not confusing the two different biology's. You just didn't read what I said correctly.

But the point is this originally started when you inferred Natani might go through heat again so I brought up what was explained in story and did a time lapse of the events that happened in story along with the facts stated about Keidran heat so timing wise I ruled out all other cast members possibly going into heat any time soon except Raine. Then you stated the fact that Keidran reproduce after heat as if it was supposed to make some sort of point on my previous statement. I was very confused and thus we were lead here to this point in the conversation.

Blackphantom770 said:
I said I understood in the first comment I made

Then I made my analogy/example
So yeah, I'm not confusing the two different biology's. You just didn't read what I said correctly.

But the point is this originally started when you inferred Natani might go through heat again so I brought up what was explained in story and did a time lapse of the events that happened in story along with the facts stated about Keidran heat so timing wise I ruled out all other cast members possibly going into heat any time soon except Raine. Then you stated the fact that Keidran reproduce after heat as if it was supposed to make some sort of point on my previous statement. I was very confused and thus we were lead here to this point in the conversation.

I was meaning to refer to how she may be pregnant now since I think it is about the right time. I'm sorry, I guess we were both getting confused.

W3r3gam3r said:
I was meaning to refer to how she may be pregnant now since I think it is about the right time. I'm sorry, I guess we were both getting confused.

LOL Yes, we were both very confused XP

Well Natani couldn't be pregnant, Though she went through the horny phase of heat, she didn't screw anyone during or after it. The only person who was around her at that time was Keith and from what we currently know from TK lore, Keidran and Basitin are genetically incompatible. Not only that but Keith was guard duty zoned the entire time :P
Though ironically with no sex during heat it still did it's job in finding a possible mate. Natani still chose a suitable mate because of the intense situation she was put through because of heat and was aided through it by an understanding individual and soon to be close friend. Thus she ended up falling in love with Keith cuz he understands and respects Natani for who he/she is and how she feels, which in reality is all Natani ever wanted from anyone.
Talk about fate, biology and chemistry working in mysterious ways X3

Blackphantom770 said:
LOL Yes, we were both very confused XP

Well Natani couldn't be pregnant, Though she went through the horny phase of heat, she didn't screw anyone during or after it. The only person who was around her at that time was Keith and from what we currently know from TK lore, Keidran and Basitin are genetically incompatible. Not only that but Keith was guard duty zoned the entire time :P
Though ironically with no sex during heat it still did it's job in finding a possible mate. Natani still chose a suitable mate because of the intense situation she was put through because of heat and was aided through it by an understanding individual and soon to be close friend. Thus she ended up falling in love with Keith cuz he understands and respects Natani for who he/she is and how she feels, which in reality is all Natani ever wanted from anyone.
Talk about fate, biology and chemistry working in mysterious ways X3

Then again, keidran and humans were supposedly incompatible. Who knows where Tom will take it.

Unrelated Sidenote: I wonder why Tom has never given Mark a cameo (that I know of).

W3r3gam3r said:
Then again, keidran and humans were supposedly incompatible. Who knows where Tom will take it.

That's why I said "from what we currently know from TK lore"

Unrelated Sidenote: I wonder why Tom has never given Mark a cameo (that I know of).

I still can't believe people don't know -sigh facepalms-
I mean we've been literally over this on and off again for a year with this news. Anyways Mark did have Tom on his show ONCE. I don't know the episode off the top of my head but he had Tom say hi. Not a full on cameo appearance but as close as we're gonna get.

Blackphantom770 said:

I still can't believe people don't know -sigh facepalms-
I mean we've been literally over this on and off again for a year with this news. Anyways Mark did have Tom on his show ONCE. I don't know the episode off the top of my head but he had Tom say hi. Not a full on cameo appearance but as close as we're gonna get.

I meant why hasn't Tom given Mark a cameo in the comic, not why Mark has never given Tom one. Mark played Orcs Must Die 2 with him. I just find it odd Tom never put Mark in as like a background character or something like an easter egg.

W3r3gam3r said:
I meant why hasn't Tom given Mark a cameo in the comic, not why Mark has never given Tom one. Mark played Orcs Must Die 2 with him. I just find it odd Tom never put Mark in as like a background character or something like an easter egg.

I can only surmise 3 possible reasons:

A. Mark never asked (Nor does he really need the added publicity) Plus he's not a furry sooo he may not want people to think he is although furries support him

B. It was just never that important to Tom to add his brother in his comic. Like, you don't see other artists just randomly adding family cameos in their art. Tom does cameos for his fans, himself, and some of his close friends. Then again they are also furries which Mark isn't

C. Tom wants to be famous on his own merits. He wants to be known as Tom the creator of Twokinds, an original story with detailed lore and story boarding similar to Elder Scrolls, not Tom, Markipliers younger brother. He probably knew that if he publicized the fact he was Marks brother, he would get fans and publicity that's not about his art or his story, just people hyping over the crazy character Mark is in his videos. Having people fan you just to get close to another person they are TRULY obsessed with can get annoying. Any roady of a rock star band knows this. He may Get all the girls before the stars does but at the end of the day all those girls could give two shits about "the roady", they're only fuckin him to move their way up the ladder and get to who they really want. No real man finds it honorable to be that one guy who is famous because he know's or is associated with another guy instead of being known for his own merits.

Or D. ALL THE ABOVE o3o

Blackphantom770 said:
...not to sound like what?not to sound like what?

Um... predictable, I guess? *shrugs*

^(Continued) Actually, I don't remember what I was trying to say.

Dragon_logo said:
Um... predictable, I guess? *shrugs*

Dragon_logo said:
^(Continued) Actually, I don't remember what I was trying to say.

lol it's cool. We all derp sometimes :P

Blackphantom770 said:
I can only surmise 3 possible reasons:

A. Mark never asked (Nor does he really need the added publicity) Plus he's not a furry sooo he may not want people to think he is although furries support him

B. It was just never that important to Tom to add his brother in his comic. Like, you don't see other artists just randomly adding family cameos in their art. Tom does cameos for his fans, himself, and some of his close friends. Then again they are also furries which Mark isn't

C. Tom wants to be famous on his own merits. He wants to be known as Tom the creator of Twokinds, an original story with detailed lore and story boarding similar to Elder Scrolls, not Tom, Markipliers younger brother. He probably knew that if he publicized the fact he was Marks brother, he would get fans and publicity that's not about his art or his story, just people hyping over the crazy character Mark is in his videos. Having people fan you just to get close to another person they are TRULY obsessed with can get annoying. Any roady of a rock star band knows this. He may Get all the girls before the stars does but at the end of the day all those girls could give two shits about "the roady", they're only fuckin him to move their way up the ladder and get to who they really want. No real man finds it honorable to be that one guy who is famous because he know's or is associated with another guy instead of being known for his own merits.

Or D. ALL THE ABOVE o3o

True. I just found it odd because Mark has given Tom a few shout outs in the past.

W3r3gam3r said:
True. I just found it odd because Mark has given Tom a few shout outs in the past.

Mark is a Youtuber, shout outs are what they do, it makes them seem more personable, likable and approachable as people, not just icons.
Tom is an artist/webcomic author, they only shout of if they have to; for people who contribute and support them. Family members fall into moral support, unless they don't support the artist in some cases (Moral support pretty much being family and the occasional compliment) but not active support (active support being those who donate money, comment on artwork etc) and artists are known for being more reclusive and aloof than youtubers sooo yeah.

W3r3gam3r said:
True. I just found it odd because Mark has given Tom a few shout outs in the past.

Something interesting ive seen from Mark while watching his channel, Tom and him share words and sound effects at time. Like when he's in a situation where he's going to dye in his lets plays then he will say "I'm Boned." Recently (more or less recently, before they caught Zen) in the comic, Sythe being a pessimist said "We're boned" in refference to how hopeless the current situation is, something that Mark normally says. Or in one of toms Side pictures he used the phrase "ArgleBlargle" to indicate the character being attacked, frustrated, flustered. Mark usually says that in variations of different consonants like "F" so "FlargleBlargle" when he is attacked, or after he is attacked in his lets plays. It's not much of an actual shout out but it is a connection. A possible coincidence maybe but at this point u gotta take what you can get :P

Blackphantom770 said:
Something interesting ive seen from Mark while watching his channel, Tom and him share words and sound effects at time. Like when he's in a situation where he's going to dye in his lets plays then he will say "I'm Boned." Recently (more or less recently, before they caught Zen) in the comic, Sythe being a pessimist said "We're boned" in refference to how hopeless the current situation is, something that Mark normally says. Or in one of toms Side pictures he used the phrase "ArgleBlargle" to indicate the character being attacked, frustrated, flustered. Mark usually says that in variations of different consonants like "F" so "FlargleBlargle" when he is attacked, or after he is attacked in his lets plays. It's not much of an actual shout out but it is a connection. A possible coincidence maybe but at this point u gotta take what you can get :P

I didn't think of that. I guess there are a few easter eggs of Mark.

W3r3gam3r said:
I didn't think of that. I guess there are a few easter eggs of Mark.

Gotta keep an eye out for dem easter eggs yo :P

Wait... Aren't they both a GAY couple in the comic...? This implies that it's straight..

Natani sure does appreciate Keith acknowledging it as two guys kissing and not "a guy and a guy—giving—into—his—female—body kissing", really huge turn on for him. XD